Sustanon 250, dbol?

[johnnydoe]

Look I'm going to apologize in advance because I know you guys hate these first cycle treads. I'm getting ready to do my first cycle and I need some help. I'm 29, 6'2", 200 lbs. I'm trying to bulk up and get bigger. I was thinking of taking sust250 on my cycle. I see that most first cycles you guys recommend test eth. I was wondering if sust 250 is also good for first cycles since it is a blend. I was thinking sust 250 mg twice a week. Arimidex .5 eod. And Clomid for pct. What would be a good duration for my first cycle? Also I have a good bit of dbol I got a while back that I was going to run by itself before I started really researching. Should I stack that with it or wait on the dbol for a later time? Thanks guys. I know y'all get tired of threads like this I just wanted some advice from guys that knows what they are doing.

 

[c_natty]

Sust over enanthate is fine, but you need to be pinning minimum 3x/wk due to the shorter esters in sust. It is recommended to take E first because a beginner won't have to deal with as frequent of pinning, but if that is no issue then go for sust.
Good duration? 12-14 weeks.
Wait on the dbol, need to figure out how your e2 holds up with test alone first.
Bloods done before, during, and after.

 

[vzz]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
good advice right there
first cycle is easy. no need for anything fancy or complicated.
250mg Test Enan once a week for 10 wks
nolva 10mg ed

 

[johnnydoe]

Sust over enanthate is fine, but you need to be pinning minimum 3x/wk due to the shorter esters in sust. It is recommended to take E first because a beginner won't have to deal with as frequent of pinning, but if that is no issue then go for sust.
Good duration? 12-14 weeks.
Wait on the dbol, need to figure out how your e2 holds up with test alone first.
Bloods done before, during, and after.

Thanks man. I was under the impression that sust could be pinned twice a week. Good thing I asked. I'm all about doing things the right way. I got the dbol a couple months ago. Some friends said they did dbol only their first cycle so I got some and planned on doing that. After researching I found it might be better to do test only for my first. I guess I'll just hold on to the dbol and get some sust on the way. I think I can handle 3x/week. If not I'll get E. So.... Sust 500mg/week split in three doses. Arimidex .5/eod. Clomid after cycle. All that sounds solid?

 

[guyzcool]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
good advice right there
first cycle is easy. no need for anything fancy or complicated.
250mg Test Enan once a week for 10 wks
nolva 10mg ed

Running Nolvadex on cycle is an outdated practice and unnecessary if you are using an Ai. As for PCT Nolvadex and clomid combo has been shown to be much more effective.

 

[guyzcool]

Thanks man. I was under the impression that sust could be pinned twice a week. Good thing I asked. I'm all about doing things the right way. I got the dbol a couple months ago. Some friends said they did dbol only their first cycle so I got some and planned on doing that. After researching I found it might be better to do test only for my first. I guess I'll just hold on to the dbol and get some sust on the way. I think I can handle 3x/week. If not I'll get E. So.... Sust 500mg/week split in three doses. Arimidex .5/eod. Clomid after cycle. All that sounds solid?

So look at the Ester lengths of what is sust because I don't know exactly. This will tell you when to start taking clomid.

 

[johnnydoe]

So look at the Ester lengths of what is sust because I don't know exactly. This will tell you when to start taking clomid.

Sustanon 250 is supposed to be per ml:
Test prop 30mg
Test phenlyprop 60mg
Test isocaproate 60mg
Test decanoate 100mg

 

[Genghis K.]

@johnnydoe, some complain of PIP with Sust.. If you haven't already bought it, I would change to Test E or C. The other element you have is going to be virgin muscle. Test Prop. injected into virgin muscle just sounds like something that would hurt!

Wait on the D-Bol for a variety of reasons. However, you will love it when you are ready. PCT = clomid and nolvadex.

 

[Dw725]

Some good and some not so good info getting tossed around in here. I encourage you to do as much research and Info gathering ON YOUR OWN before making any moves from here. It's your body after all.
So let me ask, whats YOUR reasoning so far for considering sust over E? Just curious. Sometimes answering our questions can teach you more than others answering your questions.

And we DO NOT hate first cycle threads. But meso is uncensored so sometimes the cold hard truth hurts feelings. Love it or leave it, it makes this a good forum.

 

[Dw725]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
good advice right there
first cycle is easy. no need for anything fancy or complicated.
250mg Test Enan once a week for 10 wks
nolva 10mg ed

Surely you meant twice a week.

 

[Dw725]

Running Nolvadex on cycle is an outdated practice and unnecessary if you are using an Ai.

This is not always the case. There are instances where a serm IS a good or better option. For what should be a first cycle? An ai used correctly should be fine. But to say nolva is unnecessary JUST BECAUSE he used an ai? Too many variables for that to ALWAYS hold true.

 

[johnnydoe]

Some good and some not so good info getting tossed around in here. I encourage you to do as much research and Info gathering ON YOUR OWN before making any moves from here. It's your body after all.
So let me ask, whats YOUR reasoning so far for considering sust over E? Just curious. Sometimes answering our questions can teach you more than others answering your questions.

And we DO NOT hate first cycle threads. But meso is uncensored so sometimes the cold hard truth hurts feelings. Love it or leave it, it makes this a good forum.

Thanks for the advice man.

@johnnydoe, some complain of PIP with Sust.. If you haven't already bought it, I would change to Test E or C. The other element you have is going to be virgin muscle. Test Prop. injected into virgin muscle just sounds like something that would hurt!

Wait on the D-Bol for a variety of reasons. However, you will love it when you are ready. PCT = clomid and nolvadex.

I didn't think about PIP. Maybe I will get some E to start off with untill I get more accustomed to injections. Thanks.

 

[guyzcool]

Thanks for the advice man.

I didn't think about PIP. Maybe I will get some E to start off with untill I get more accustomed to injections. Thanks.

Your Virgin muscle will hurt with injections!

 

[johnnydoe]

Some good and some not so good info getting tossed around in here. I encourage you to do as much research and Info gathering ON YOUR OWN before making any moves from here. It's your body after all.
So let me ask, whats YOUR reasoning so far for considering sust over E? Just curious. Sometimes answering our questions can teach you more than others answering your questions.

And we DO NOT hate first cycle threads. But meso is uncensored so sometimes the cold hard truth hurts feelings. Love it or leave it, it makes this a good forum.

I was considering sust over E because I liked the idea of a blend having fast acting short esters and longer acting esters. I've been doing a lot of research the last couple months. I posted this thread just to get some feedback from guys that know what they're doing and I appreciate everyone's input. I probably will just go with E this first time. I don't think I'll be prone to gyno but I want to be on point with my estrogen control just in case. I'm not sure about my body fat but I'm sure it's under 15%. Also I picked this forum to join because this is one of only ones where you could get honest advice. So many of the other ones are bs and product pushing.

 

[vzz]

Surely you meant twice a week.

nope.
250mg a week Test Enan is all you need for first cycle. no need to go crazy with the doses.

 

[Dw725]

nope.
250mg a week Test Enan is all you need for first cycle. no need to go crazy with the doses.

You realize your gonna shut yourself down. And if your actually ready to use gear, and most guys that do aren't, but if you are, is it really worth shutting yourself down and dealing with all the consequences of that for a test level that is barley above high natural?

 

[guyzcool]

nope.
250mg a week Test Enan is all you need for first cycle. no need to go crazy with the doses.

If you're shutting yourself down use 250 twice a week. Or 500 per week. Don't shut yourself down for a test level that people may already have!

 

[vzz]

that's a good point Dw725, however I think that you should use the lowest dosage. A first time user will see great gains off 250 a week and it makes it easier to move up to larger cycles later. If you start out with 500 or more it leaves less room for growth in future cycles.

 

[Dw725]

that's a good point Dw725, however I think that you should use the lowest dosage. A first time user will see great gains off 250 a week and it makes it easier to move up to larger cycles later. If you start out with 500 or more it leaves less room for growth in future cycles.

Whatever u say man. The only room for growth a 250 cycle leaves is the growth you would have got just doing the standard beginner cycle of 500. Of course your gonna make a little progress with 250, and then when u do 500 it's gonna be better. But why not cut to the chase and not waste time and do the most commonly recommend beginner cycle, 500 per week. There's a reason so many recommend it. Let's not try to reinvent the wheel here. And you seem to think everyone is guaranteed perfectly dosed gear. Say he gets some gear that's only slightly underdosed. Say 20%. So every 250 pin hes actually only getting 175-200 mgs of test , of which u lose another small amount due to ester weight. Oh, let me guess , u have no clue about that ? Get out of here with your bullshit advice. Now u got someone who shut their natural test production down for a serum level that is equal to a 16 y/o at peak and much worse at nadir levels! Am I painting a clear enough picture?? I really didn't want to elaborate on it this much , but sometimes bad info must be highlighted as such

 

[guyzcool]

Whatever u say man. The only room for growth a 250 cycle leaves is the growth you would have got just doing the standard beginner cycle of 500. Of course your gonna make a little progress with 250, and then when u do 500 it's gonna be better. But why not cut to the chase and not waste time and do the most commonly recommend beginner cycle, 500 per week. There's a reason so many recommend it. Let's not try to reinvent the wheel here. And you seem to think everyone is guaranteed perfectly dosed gear. Say he gets some gear that's only slightly underdosed. Say 20%. So every 250 pin hes actually only getting 175-200 mgs of test , of which u lose another small amount due to ester weight. Oh, let me guess , u have no clue about that ? Get out of here with your bullshit advice. Now u got someone who shut their natural test production down for a serum level that is equal to a 16 y/o at peak and much worse at nadir levels! Am I painting a clear enough picture?? I really didn't want to elaborate on it this much , but sometimes bad info must be highlighted as such

Preach!!!