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[slayer1989]

Hey all, first time posting on a board. I've been training consistent for 2 years. On and off ~ 3 prior. recently just started my first cycle. before anyone rags on me I did start with deca and test. Anyways stats....
age 27
weight 178
started as a very lightweight before training..... 152
height 5ft 6in
training on a 5 day workout plan.
Diet is okay but not super clean

 

[Savagesteve]

Welcome and I'm sure there as been worse first cycles. My first was deca and no test. Welcome aboard.

 

[slayer1989]

Yes. True. I started on 300 deca and test 400.
Doing twice a week. So far not bad. I'm actually very curious about the pct part.
I'm doing 12 weeks deca and 14 on test. Any suggestions on pct?

 

[insaiyan93]

Welcome. Slayer fucking rules.

 

[slayer1989]

FUCKING SLAYER!

 

[insaiyan93]

FUCKING SLAYER!"insaiyan93, post: 1612788, member: 79522"]Welcome. Slayer fucking rules.

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Went and seen them a couple months ago, about 20 years later than i would have liked, but im still glad i got the experience before they called it quits, even without jeff may he rest in piece.

 

[slayer1989]

Yeah no Shit! im in the same boat. really wish I saw them back in the big 4 days. just saw anthrax at a festival, and they killed all the new bands out there.

 

[insaiyan93]

Yeah no Shit! im in the same boat. really wish I saw them back in the big 4 days. just saw anthrax at a festival, and they killed all the new bands out there.

My old man has seen them a shit ton of tons, all the good bands, metallica exodus white zombie judas priest even pantera. Hes a lucky bastard, and i was born 20 years too late haha. Shame i'll never see pantera they're my favorite, but im still hoping i might get to see metallica at some point.

 

[Dizzy]

What's your pct plan?

 

[slayer1989]

really just looking at Nolvadex for 4 weeks. but not sure if I should add hcg into the mix. would it he worth it to add hcg?

 

[guyzcool]

really just looking at Nolvadex for 4 weeks. but not sure if I should add hcg into the mix. would it he worth it to add hcg?

It is for sure worth adding clomid! May I ask of you have pharmaceutical grade PCT meds?? This is essential to a full recovery.

 

[dbaird]

It is for sure worth adding clomid! May I ask of you have pharmaceutical grade PCT meds?? This is essential to a full recovery.

Couldn't agree more. Clomid is necessary for pct, as well as nolvadex or raloxifene, personally I prefer raloxifene. Also a big proponent of hCG as well for the first phase of PCT, especially if it is an extended cycle.

 

[guyzcool]

Couldn't agree more. Clomid is necessary for pct, as well as nolvadex or raloxifene, personally I prefer raloxifene. Also a big proponent of hCG as well for the first phase of PCT, especially if it is an extended cycle.

Hcg is best used at smaller doses during the cycle (250 iu/wk), this dose isn't large enough to cause desensitation over 20 weeks, and should keep your nuts full! You don't want to mimic during pct... idk, there's a lot of debate.

 

[guyzcool]

really just looking at Nolvadex for 4 weeks. but not sure if I should add hcg into the mix. would it he worth it to add hcg?

Pharmaceutical grade PCT is necessary for recovery. @pharmacist on meso here sells pharmaceutical grade drugs. He has hundreds of positive feedback reviews, and is a wonderful guy all around.
European Pharmaceuticals

 

[dbaird]

Hcg is best used at smaller doses during the cycle (250 iu/wk), this dose isn't large enough to cause desensitation over 20 weeks, and should keep your nuts full! You don't want to mimic during pct... idk, there's a lot of debate.

There is lots of debate on this... The two schools of thought are basically 1) running hCG at 250 iu once or twice a week throughout your whole cycle and then running clomid and nolva for a 3-4 weeks after the test returns to baseline (varies depending on the ester used). and 2) running hCG, clomid, and nolva tapering off each over a period of 45 days (all this info is in Llewellyn's book). Not too sure what the general consensus is around here on that book, but it's a wealth of knowledge and a great tool for anyone who is in the game.

@guyzcool do you prefer running hcg during your cycles?

 

[guyzcool]

There is lots of debate on this... The two schools of thought are basically 1) running hCG at 250 iu once or twice a week throughout your whole cycle and then running clomid and nolva for a 3-4 weeks after the test returns to baseline (varies depending on the ester used). and 2) running hCG, clomid, and nolva tapering off each over a period of 45 days (all this info is in Llewellyn's book). Not too sure what the general consensus is around here on that book, but it's a wealth of knowledge and a great tool for anyone who is in the game.

@guyzcool do you prefer running hcg during your cycles?

I haven't felt the need for hcg because I've never touched a 19 nor, which are "harder to bounce back from". But I think I would prefer to use hcg at 250 iu/wk. And I might do it for my next cycle because it's gonna be a long eq cycle! I'm going to look into desensitation to hcg more before I do that.

 

[guyzcool]

There is lots of debate on this... The two schools of thought are basically 1) running hCG at 250 iu once or twice a week throughout your whole cycle and then running clomid and nolva for a 3-4 weeks after the test returns to baseline (varies depending on the ester used). and 2) running hCG, clomid, and nolva tapering off each over a period of 45 days (all this info is in Llewellyn's book). Not too sure what the general consensus is around here on that book, but it's a wealth of knowledge and a great tool for anyone who is in the game.

@guyzcool do you prefer running hcg during your cycles?

HCG induced Leydig Cell desensitization
You should give this a read!

 

[dbaird]

I haven't felt the need for hcg because I've never touched a 19 nor, which are "harder to bounce back from". But I think I would prefer to use hcg at 250 iu/wk. And I might do it for my next cycle because it's gonna be a long eq cycle! I'm going to look into desensitation to hcg more before I do that.

See @slayer1989 there is a lot involved in a proper PCT, as you can see already there are a few different methods and approaches to PCT people do, either running hcg during cycle or running it after with the PCT. Basically, I would do as much research as you can, especially with PCT. And as guyz said, having pharma grade AIs, SERMs, and hCG is extremely important. Just as important, if not more important than you actual steroid cycle.


And yes, read the above post from guyz!

 

[slayer1989]

Yeah wow lots of info. Great thanks guys. Also actually not sure what my guy has as far as pharma or not. Currently I'm not running HCG or clomid at that. I'm at start of week 9 of 14 and really need to look into this.

 

[Dizzy]

Yeah wow lots of info. Great thanks guys. Also actually not sure what my guy has as far as pharma or not. Currently I'm not running HCG or clomid at that. I'm at start of week 9 of 14 and really need to look into this.

I just finished my first cycle. I had my pre bloods done. While on cycle I got my mid bloods done. I'll be getting my post bloods done soon. I did HCG during my cycle. I think it helped My Pct was clomid with Nolvadex. I feel like I'm back to normal now. The first week I started my Pct I felt very low energy. But after that first week I improved everyday. I'm almost done with my 4 week Pct. Everyone on here is going to tell you to have all of your pct planned out and on hand before your cycle. A little late for that now. Good luck man!