Newb Greetings and Questions

[Milk Man]

@Fit_Dad dont listen to these fucking kids. You should use 500 mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate ONLY. No need for dbol or tren or 800 mg a week, just get your feet wet with 500 and be smart about things. Pin twice per week or every 5 days over the course of 12 weeks.

Now since you mentioned NOT doing a pct and staying on, at your age that is totally fine with TRT. However you should make a concious effort to go thru a doctor to get prescription TRT and not self medicated. Cant beat actual pharmacy grade products brotha.

 

[Fit_Dad]

@Fit_Dad dont listen to these fucking kids. You should use 500 mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate ONLY. No need for dbol or tren or 800 mg a week, just get your feet wet with 500 and be smart about things. Pin twice per week or every 5 days over the course of 12 weeks.

Now since you mentioned NOT doing a pct and staying on, at your age that is totally fine with TRT. However you should make a concious effort to go thru a doctor to get prescription TRT and not self medicated. Cant beat actual pharmacy grade products brotha.

Thanks, Milk Man. Why so frequent on the injections. I thought Cyp had a pretty long half life. My wife had a nurse friend who was married to a guy who juiced and she did the injections. She's going to teach my wife... Nervous about frequent shots though.

 

[Milk Man]

Thanks, Milk Man. Why so frequent on the injections. I thought Cyp had a pretty long half life. My wife had a nurse friend who was married to a guy who juiced and she did the injections. She's going to teach my wife... Nervous about frequent shots though.

Twice per week or e5d is not so bad, what determines the injection frequency is the ester attached to testosterone and their half lives. To avoid highs and lows in your blood level stability, basically in short, you dont want 1 injection dying off and almost gone before you inject again. Make sense?

Google and read about enanthate half life and cypionate. Cyp is just a tad longer then enan but both are very close so it is not much difference. Either one will suffice.

 

[Milk Man]

Thanks, Milk Man. Why so frequent on the injections. I thought Cyp had a pretty long half life. My wife had a nurse friend who was married to a guy who juiced and she did the injections. She's going to teach my wife... Nervous about frequent shots though.

The shots are a cake walk, just a little prick in the butt cheek, no big deal.

 

[Bakersbound]

Just stay away from testosterone propianate.<----- May not be spelled right but hear a lot of people complaining about site injection discomfort plus it's a lot of I jections .every 2 days

 

[Bakersbound]

I'm currently running test p 100mg/ml and haven't really had an issue except don't like the frequent injections.not because of pain but don't like to burn through my needle supply!

 

[johnnydoe]

Interesting. That would save me some money... So, what, about 600mg per week?

I'm fixing to run my first cycle in a week or so. I'll be doing test E 250mg/2xweek for 12 weeks. Arimidex .5/eod. Everyone seems to think that is the best cycle for someone that has never ran a cycle before. Maybe you should consider something like that.

 

[Fit_Dad]

I'm fixing to run my first cycle in a week or so. I'll be doing test E 250mg/2xweek for 12 weeks. Arimidex .5/eod. Everyone seems to think that is the best cycle for someone that has never ran a cycle before. Maybe you should consider something like that.

Yes, that seems to be the average advice so far, about 250mg, twice a week. Is arimidex necessary on that low of a dose?

 

[Milk Man]

Yes, that seems to be the average advice so far, about 250mg, twice a week. Is arimidex necessary on that low of a dose?

Blood work will make that determination. Privatelabsmd $70 dollars. Or your trt doctor will make that call

 

[Dizzy]

I'm fixing to run my first cycle in a week or so. I'll be doing test E 250mg/2xweek for 12 weeks. Arimidex .5/eod. Everyone seems to think that is the best cycle for someone that has never ran a cycle before. Maybe you should consider something like that.

That's what I ran in my first go. But I ran a pct afterwards cuz I'm only 33. But just with the test no dbol kick start or anything. I had a great cycle. Made some good gains. I felt like a beast! Good luck. There's a wealth of knowledge on here. There's lots of guys that know their shit. Listen to them.

 

[johnnydoe]

I'm fixing to run my first cycle in a week or so. I'll be doing test E 250mg/2xweek for 12 weeks. Arimidex .5/eod. Everyone seems to think that is the best cycle for someone that has never ran a cycle before. Maybe you should consider something like that.

I'm going to use Arimidex for sure just to be on the safe side. Its not that expensive being I'm only going to take half a pill every other day. I'm also going to run pct with Clomid.

 

[Fit_Dad]

Blood work will make that determination. Privatelabsmd $70 dollars. Or your trt doctor will make that call

What levels do I want to bring them up to? In fact, does anyone know ideal levels for growth?

 

[Dizzy]

What levels do I want to bring them up to? In fact, does anyone know ideal levels for growth?

What milk man ment was your estro levels. you should know where they are and how high they get during a test cycle. That will tell you if .5 armidrex is enough to keep the Gyno side effects down.

 

[Throwback]

Welcome to Meso.....500-600 mg test e for a first cycle will blow your mind with results. A bunch of guys dont run an ai at that mg level. Blood work before you start and at 5-6 weeks in will tell you all you want to know.E2 is what your watching to high e2 or to low. To low is usually the result of tomuch ai use.
Be careful adding any stronger compounds. Dbol will fuck with your blood pressure...tren will rock your world....save it for later.
Prepare a huge budget for the right food and make the time to eat it.
Dont use any way to pay that LE can track or like you said with paypal you get a guarantee. The only thing that guarantees is a trip to jail. Use a good reliable source. All ugl seem to rollercoaster a bit with over time. There are a few good? ones. Many bad.
Warn your wife ahead of time that she is soon to get thoroughly wore out...your sorry but that is part of the ride. If she has a problem with it tell her you thought about bringing in someone off the bench that is fresher and can keep up.....
Have fun!!!

 

[Juced]

Welcome

 

[grey]

Yes, that seems to be the average advice so far, about 250mg, twice a week. Is arimidex necessary on that low of a dose?

Different people aromatise at different rates, but if you are going to see a TRT doc and he doesn't suggest it, I would find a new doc. Even normal TRT doses can raise E2 levels higher than you want them over the long term.

A good doc should be prescribing the test, some sort of AI, and HCG.

 

[Eman]

Not going to do pct though. Just going to drop to 200mg/week maintenance. Don't really care if my testicles shrink... They're a little too large anyway. Heh

Consider this decision carefully. You don't even know what your natural levels are yet do you?

Once you start cruising there is no turning back. You've already mentioned being less than enthusiastic about frequent injections... Start self administered TRT and you're signing up for a lifetime of injections, possibly unneeded as well if you are not below normal. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[Samsquanch]

@Fit_Dad dont listen to these fucking kids. You should use 500 mg per week of testosterone enanthate or cypionate ONLY. No need for dbol or tren or 800 mg a week, just get your feet wet with 500 and be smart about things. Pin twice per week or every 5 days over the course of 12 weeks.

Now since you mentioned NOT doing a pct and staying on, at your age that is totally fine with TRT. However you should make a concious effort to go thru a doctor to get prescription TRT and not self medicated. Cant beat actual pharmacy grade products brotha.

I absolutely agree with Milk Man. I'm in my late 30s and started on TRT last year. Just waiting to get my TRT bloodwork done, then I will be blasting with 250mg test c 2x a week for 12 weeks. See how you respond to just test alone before you start adding in the others.

And yes, you can't beat walking into the pharmacy and paying $1.40/ml for the good stuff. I almost feel guilty...almost.

 

[Bakersbound]

@Samsquanch ...best avatar I've seen!love that show!