Thenewera is taking over

[theprodgicalson]

I hope you are reading everything everyone is saying @Thenewera .....

so when your 2-4 weeks out, you can come back in here and tag everyone that has something smart to say and hit them with pics.

i truly believe that when someone sets their mind to a goal, and is willing to do whatever it takes, that goal can and will be achieved. its a matter of psychology. if you tell yourself you'll never be able to do something, or you're not good enough, you start to believe it. which in time you start not giving 100% to your goal. there are no off days.

I'm in

 

[Wunderpus]

Dude. You NEVER talk that kind of shit in someone's log on Meso.

LOL, if only that were the case! My logs catch heat too! Ha.

 

[Wunderpus]

While you youngins blast away , Im gonna keep pacing myself for the long run on my lil 600-750mg/wk blast of test . I still get results off these "small" amounts , why chance it with mega-doses ? (then I will have to commit to larger doses forever) too poor for that...~Ogh

That's speculation, and you know it... There is no evidence to show you NEED to maintain those doses if you come off, then go back on. I've ran higher doses than I am this run, and I'm getting results. MYTHBUSTED.

Goals my brother, goals. This guy wants to become pro and take it to that level...

 

[Wunderpus]

Is GH a possibility here gentlemen?

The reason I ask is because anecdotally the only time I've seen advanced guys add large amounts of stage weight in a single off season, both growth and insulin were being used.

Also, anecdotally, something I've observed is that very few people are capable of adding large amounts of stage weight with just anabolics without blasting for years and years. I understand insulin is involved, I'm wondering if we are throttling size by not including GH as a possible synergy. I get the cost component is always an issue.

Well, in my honest opinion WC, it would be a waste to use over 4.5iu (PHARMA PEOPLE) GH without insulin. I've found the insulin sensitivity decreases heavily here, and growth stops... The fat loss and other sides remain, but growth isn't HEIGHTENED by the GH anymore. The growth is there still, sure, from the anabolics... For REAL next level growth you need GH, slin, T4 for the first few weeks and anabolics. Also, I am beginning to believe liver health is HUGE with results from GH. Let's remember GH enters the liver, and secreates IGF-1... We WANT that IGF-1, we also want AS MUCH as we can get. No way an unhealthy liver (orals, drinking, poor care, hep etc.) can yield the maximum IGF-1 levels, no way! This is why I have started to incorporate tudca when I use orals, the studies on it look promising.

I also think myostatin is at play to some degree with these guys and their seemingly "stuck" gains... That's why coming off cycle and PCT'ing or lowering to almost a TRT dose should be recommended for most. Ideally I would blast the FUCK out of GH right before, during and for a while after my PCT with GH. It will build new cells that are primed for growth and also prevent catabolism.... Without the risk of shutdown.

My fingers hurt, rant over.

 

[Oregongearhead]

That's speculation, and you know it... There is no evidence to show you NEED to maintain those doses if you come off, then go back on. I've ran higher doses than I am this run, and I'm getting results. MYTHBUSTED.

Goals my brother, goals. This guy wants to become pro and take it to that level...

@Wunderpus --- when you get my age you know what works and for how long . If I cruise then comeback trying to blast 500mg/wk I wont see the same strength I do at 750mg/wk . My body is already use to 3/4 gram for blast . But I dont see myself going to a gram/wk , the sides are too much at my age (prostate)

 

[Wunderpus]

@Wunderpus --- when you get my age you know what works and for how long . If I cruise then comeback trying to blast 500mg/wk I wont see the same strength I do at 750mg/wk . My body is already use to 3/4 gram for blast . But I dont see myself going to a gram/wk , the sides are too much at my age (prostate)

Seems reasonable. But, myself and I'm sure people like TNE don't WANT to blast like that over our late thirties to mid-fourties +... I see myself being much more mild with things... GH, Deca and basic compounds will be fine I believe. In the PEAK of my potential greatness, I want every advantage I can have... Not for a lifetime, for now.

 

[GearGodess]

Hate to tell yo bro but if you've been cycling long enough to run a cycle like this and your arms and legs are the size I would reconsider your journey.

Maybe before you start "motivating" or cutting people up, it would be wise to get to know them better first. You are new here... read up first. So please listen to the advice the boys have given you.

@Thenewera I'm curious on the choice of milk - soy. Why not almond milk for example? I always seen soy and men to be a controversial subject and have always seen guys avoid it as it plays a big role on your estrogen receptors BUT at the same time, it apparently supposed to help with prostate issues such as prostate cancer... maybe I should ask the docs?

 

[Oregongearhead]

Seems reasonable. But, myself and I'm sure people like TNE don't WANT to blast like that over our late thirties to mid-fourties +... I see myself being much more mild with things... GH, Deca and basic compounds will be fine I believe. In the PEAK of my potential greatness, I want every advantage I can have... Not for a lifetime, for now.

So you say you dont want to blast like this forever , do you think you"ll know when to say when ? Most of us dont...

 

[Wunderpus]

Maybe before you start "motivating" or cutting people up, it would be wise to get to know them better first. You are new here... read up first. So please listen to the advice the boys have given you.

@Thenewera I'm curious on the choice of milk - soy. Why not almond milk for example? I always seen soy and men to be a controversial subject and have always seen guys avoid it as it plays a big role on your estrogen receptors BUT at the same time, it apparently supposed to help with prostate issues such as prostate cancer... maybe I should ask the docs?

I like almond milk and cashew milk... They are great in shakes! I don't eat dairy, period, so I've had to try all the substitutes...

 

[Wunderpus]

So you say you dont want to blast like this forever , do you think you"ll know when to say when ? Most of us dont...

Who knows? That's an impossible question to answer! Definitely when I want to try and have a kid or two! And, while they are babies, why would I blast then? After that, probably limited if I had to guess. BB'ing wont be EVERYTHING to me then, so why would I put that much gear and risk into something I can't justify the time to anymore? I'm sure when they're a bit older, assuming i'm healthy and of age, I'll play around... But this is my TIME OGH.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Who knows? That's an impossible question to answer! Definitely when I want to try and have a kid or two! And, while they are babies, why would I blast then? After that, probably limited if I had to guess. BB'ing wont be EVERYTHING to me then, so why would I put that much gear and risk into something I can't justify the time to anymore? I'm sure when they're a bit older, assuming i'm healthy and of age, I'll play around... But this is my TIME OGH.

Well then go for it ...and stop your bitchin . You feeling guilty that you might harm this kid ? I would.

 

[Wunderpus]

Well then go for it ...and stop you bitchin . You feeling guilty that you might harm this kid ? I would.

Might harm the kid, and what way?

I kind of feel like you're the one bitching here man... You hop onto peoples' logs and trash talk their cycles... You've done it twice to me, and here with TNE. I'm sure there are others... I realize you are trying to help and serve a roll, but save that for people unlike myself and TNE. I am certain neither of us will be swayed by what you're saying, and I thought you knew that by now. Save your energy for the kids who will be, and who ought to be, swayed.... That will really do some help, if that's really what you're hoping to accomplish here.

 

[Oregongearhead]

Might harm the kid, and what way?

I kind of feel like you're the one bitching here man... You hop onto peoples' logs and trash talk their cycles... You've done it twice to me, and here with TNE. I'm sure there are others... I realize you are trying to help and serve a roll, but save that for people unlike myself and TNE. I am certain neither of us will be swayed by what you're saying, and I thought you knew that by now. Save your energy for the kids who will be, and who ought to be, swayed.... That will really do some help, if that's really what you're hoping to accomplish here.

You see no harm in giving a kid with chronic acne mega doses of steroids ? Your fucked up in the head Pus...

 

[Oregongearhead]

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[GearGodess]

I like almond milk and cashew milk... They are great in shakes! I don't eat dairy, period, so I've had to try all the substitutes...

Almond and Cashew Milk is yummy! That's what I always use

 

[Wunderpus]

You see no harm in giving a kid with chronic acne mega doses of steroids ? Your fucked up in the head Pus...

I thought you were referring to my kid, the hypothetical one we were just talking about, IN CONTEXT. I guess I'm fucked up for helping him, instead of just letting him wing it. You know he was going to do this, with or without my help, right? If you didn't, now you do. I was unaware until yesterday he had acne issues, BY THE WAY. Either way, that is the risk HE chooses to take. I cannot be responsible for that.

 

[Wunderpus]

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Another tren rant OGH? You gonna post your name and face here, run away, and come back again? Orrr...? Do you actually think one person gives a fuck enough to care you've unsubbed? Makes me sad to see, as we've gone through shit together before, but always come back as friends. If this is the way you want to act, so be it.

 

[Thenewera]

@Oregongearhead I've always noticed some sort of unexplainable split personality coming from your handle. Where do you see chronic acne when I explained I have the acne under control and the "chronic" was from me experimenting with where to draw the line without an AI. And at you I laugh.. before my last blast this year I was on 750mg test 600mg tren... I just ran 250mg test 600mg then 800mg tren... guess what..I still grew. You can't take it easy and cruise on your 500mgs for a year and expect to be somewhere. You know this, we all know this.

* Wunderpus is here to help me. How the fuck is that responsible? I'm also a coach for clients, I'm not responsible for them..I help them, guide them, but the end all it's there doing and choices. Puss can say hey, don't run your insulin to 15iu ...Then I could say no and do it. Does that make him reliable for me? No.

@ironwill1951 Thats a fair answer. Don't think I was attacking you with my reply, just wanted elaboration.

@gr8whitetrukker I think you took my first post wrong. I'm 200lbs now- I'm about 2 weeks post show, my stage weight was 180lbs and I still could of lost 5-6 lbs. Therefor, me claiming to achieve a stage weight of around 210 for next year is a 30-35lb of muscle gained in a year. I see now where you thought all of this was for a measly 10lbs... Think we both jumped to conclusion a little quick.

 

[theprodgicalson]

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then why even subscribe in the first place?

everything was laid out very well in the first post, clear for you to read. you express your opinion, someone retorts with their opinion and you leave? your opinion or thoughts are not the be all end all, just because youve been around the block longer than most. i understand what youre trying to do, but running away shows you can not have a logical debate and are not open to any new ideas.

i remember someone getting into a debate with you a few years back and this person had LEGITIMATE scientific data to back up what the debate was about and you choose to still not believe them or the data.

i have no dog in this fight, but this isnt the first time ive seen you do something like this. gets old man.

 

[BigSky]

Good luck brotha. Should be one hell of a year for you.I'll be waiting for those comparison pics. We have similar stats and similar goal physiques. Your just crazy lean compared to me.

If going pro is your goal, fucking do it. Don't let anyone deter you. Do what you gotta do. Fuck what everyone else says. Some people just don't like hearing someone else has got it.
"Don't ever be afraid to shine. Remember, the sun doesn't give a fuck if it blinds you."