Anavar and liver support (NAC)

[Test_Subject]

I would NEVER say NAC is just "snake oil". NAC is great for many things. I started taking it for my cycle and never stopped once I realized a few great things about it. Do some research on it before knocking it.

There is zero evidence that it acts as a "liver protector." It's other benefits are irrelevant in the context of protecting the liver. With said context in mind, yes, it's snake oil. It can cure cancer and turn lead to gold for all I care, but it doesn't protect the liver.

If you have a credible study which shows its efficacy as a "liver protector" please, link it, because I'm not aware of any.

 

[Getbignotdietrying]

There is zero evidence that it acts as a "liver protector." It's other benefits are irrelevant in the context of protecting the liver. With said context in mind, yes, it's snake oil. It can cure cancer and turn lead to gold for all I care, but it doesn't protect the liver.

If you have a credible study which shows its efficacy as a "liver protector" please, link it, because I'm not aware of any.

I never said anything about it protecting the liver. I simply said it is NOT snake oil. There's plenty of articles out there with studies on n.a.c. Am I going to look for them and post them to convince you? Nope. I do know it has done me nothing but good.

 

[Test_Subject]

I never said anything about it protecting the liver. I simply said it is NOT snake oil. There's plenty of articles out there with studies on n.a.c. Am I going to look for them and post them to convince you? Nope. I do know it has done me nothing but good.

Seeing as this whole post is about how to take NAC as a liver protectant...

In the context of protecting the liver (which this post is about -- read the title), it is snake oil. It's other benefits are completely irrelevant since he's not asking about the other benefits....

Is NAC useless? No. It it useless as a liver protectant? Absolutely.

 

[Getbignotdietrying]

Seeing as this whole post is about how to take NAC as a liver protectant...

In the context of protecting the liver (which this post is about -- read the title), it is snake oil. It's other benefits are completely irrelevant since he's not asking about the other benefits....

I'm not gonna argue this with you brother. Op can do some reading on n.a.c himself and decide wether or not the 10-15 is worth it or not. I was just informing him that NAC is not just "snake oil".

 

[Dr JIM]

Nothing convenient about omitting conditions that unaware of, if there were more that i knew about, the list would have been longer. In that regard good sir, you don't have to exhaust yourself of the entirety of the list, which speaks for itself, but don't think it would hurt you too much if you were to edify us/me. But if i were to take a wild guess, i would say that the FDA junk you were referring too was that NAC is commonly used in hospitals to flush individuals stomachs due to overdosing on Aspirin. But i hope this is not your main counter argument, bc we all know and understand that the FDA doesn't approve a lot of drugs to fall under other classifications, such as Clomiphene; unless your a woman you would have to purchase it "off label".

I've not heard of Penal Smooth Muscle Hypotrophy before, but by they way you make it sound, i assume its something desirable. Care to elaborate?

I agree with limiting the dose and duration, that is why i proposed a 6 week cycle at 50mg. Do feel free to suggest otherwise. If it were piratical i would do an even shorter cycle with a break in between and another to follow, but i have not read or seen any such cycles or suggestions.

I agree with baseline liver functions..i said this myself already.

I don't drink...ok i got hammered on X-Mass, but that's different. LOL.

I never said i was "rich".

In any event, I appreciate you chiming in Doc.
But if not orals, that what injectable in lieu of Anavar?

Many drugs in use today have "off label" indications yet NONE of what you listed is even considered "OFF LABEL".

Fact is what you're suggesting borders on snake oil remedies
for rodents in lab experiments.

Oh Acetameniohen OD rather than Aspirin is the only ORAL indicacation for NAC.

But if you want to waste your money that's fine, but advising others to follow your path implying NAC is some universal protector that we should all be using is naive at best!

And those who believe ANY DRUG has been proven to be even remotely effective as an AAS PROPHYLACTIC LIVER PROTECTOR, are drinking someone else's Koolaid!

 

[Just Fish]

Thanks for the detailed reply.. you said you were pleased with the results but if you had another options...Such as what? Considering what Anavar does and how it functions, what is available?

It depends on your goals. My goal is to stay as lean as possible while putting on as much muscle as possible. There are many compounds to choose from all depends on your goal

 

[Dr JIM]

I never said anything about it protecting the liver. I simply said it is NOT snake oil. There's plenty of articles out there with studies on n.a.c. Am I going to look for them and post them to convince you? Nope. I do know it has done me nothing but good.

And you wont find ANY that correlate the use of NAC as an effective hepatic antitoxin in those using AAS, and the same applies to the biliary agents some cyclists are using.

Exclusive of a few outliers, the studies will involve; rodents who are NOT suitable comparisons bc rodent hepatic anatomy and physiology varies considerably from homosapiens OR humans with preexisting liver disease such as ETOH related cirrhosis, Primary Biliary Cirrhosis.

It should be no surprise most of those using "liver protectors" are younger, less experienced, and as such are more susceptible to the "power of the parrot" that lurk on every PED forum.

Finally just bc someone used a liver protector and didn't bump their LFT's does not mean the liver protector was responsible. That's bc it's KNOWN many factors are involved in the pathogenesis of hepatic injury from any drug and
when it comes to the quality of UGL oral anabolics who really knows what is in that pill they call "Var"

I know of at least FIVE CYCLISTS on Meso alone who raised their LFTs in spite of using these agents

 

[TheBeat]

"power of the parrot"

Lol, love it!

 

[Dr JIM]

Lol, love it!

While I was being somewhat satirical, how unfortunate thats where MOST of the information being cited as "evidence" has it's origins.

 

[Test_Subject]

While I was being somewhat satirical, how unfortunate thats where MOST of the information being cited as "evidence" has it's origins.

Liver protection is a very profitable racket.

 

[TorroXL]

Tudca or udca???

 

[Inquiring Mind]

I don't even fuck with liver supps while taking var. The last time I did it was 50mg's a day for just under 6 weeks and my liver values were still well within range at the end of it.

No doubt...bloods...golden rule.

Seeing as this whole post is about how to take NAC as a liver protectant...
In the context of protecting the liver (which this post is about -- read the title), it is snake oil. It's other benefits are completely irrelevant since he's not asking about the other benefits....
Is NAC useless? No. It it useless as a liver protectant? Absolutely.

I'm re-reading your statements with more objectivity and am starting to see the point you are making. I'm also trying to find more medicaly supported evidence as opposed to anecdotal evidence.

But if you want to waste your money that's fine, but advising others to follow your path implying NAC is some universal protector that we should all be using is naive at best!

I appreciate your caution, i would never attempt to recklessly steer anyone. I was sharing what i had come to learn, but the nature of the post itself is asking for community input. So i'm gratefully in any case.

It depends on your goals. My goal is to stay as lean as possible while putting on as much muscle as possible. There are many compounds to choose from all depends on your goal

Ditto. So are you saying going forward you would forgo Var for something else?

 

[Just Fish]

No doubt...bloods...golden rule.



I'm re-reading your statements with more objectivity and am starting to see the point you are making. I'm also trying to find more medicaly supported evidence as opposed to anecdotal evidence.



I appreciate your caution, i would never attempt to recklessly steer anyone. I was sharing what i had come to learn, but the nature of the post itself is asking for community input. So i'm gratefully in any case.


Ditto. So are you saying going forward you would forgo Var for something else?

No I would use it again. It would just be at the end of a full cycle.

 

[Rudeness]

The best liver protection is avoiding first-pass compounds... Yes that means orals

BTW... Anavar is totally and completely worthless, unless you're a chic

 

[Inquiring Mind]

The best liver protection is avoiding first-pass compounds... Yes that means orals

BTW... Anavar is totally and completely worthless, unless you're a chic

Very well, then what injectable do you recommend that accomplishes the same?

 

[Rudeness]

Very well, then what injectable do you recommend that accomplishes the same?

Don't know of one that accomplishes the same... only a few that accomplish much more.

What are your goals?

 

[TheBeat]

Very well, then what injectable do you recommend that accomplishes the same?

What are you wanting from the anavar?
Btw, I'm personally a fan of var for particular goals, but completely understand those that don't think it's worth it as for most- almost anything else is better and bang for buck.

 

[CherryChillin]

Very well, then what injectable do you recommend that accomplishes the same?

Anavar is not useless. Do not listen to this fucking person. People who say it's useless probably had bunk shit. At 60mg Ed the pump will rip the muscle of your bone, you will be vascular, it aids in fat loss and removal of subq water.

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[Getbignotdietrying]

And you wont find ANY that correlate the use of NAC as an effective hepatic antitoxin in those using AAS, and the same applies to the biliary agents some cyclists are using.

Exclusive of a few outliers, the studies will involve; rodents who are NOT suitable comparisons bc rodent hepatic anatomy and physiology varies considerably from homosapiens OR humans with preexisting liver disease such as ETOH related cirrhosis, Primary Biliary Cirrhosis.

It should be no surprise most of those using "liver protectors" are younger, less experienced, and as such are more susceptible to the "power of the parrot" that lurk on every PED forum.

Finally just bc someone used a liver protector and didn't bump their LFT's does not mean the liver protector was responsible. That's bc it's KNOWN many factors are involved in the pathogenesis of hepatic injury from any drug and
when it comes to the quality of UGL oral anabolics who really knows what is in that pill they call "Var"

I know of at least FIVE CYCLISTS on Meso alone who raised their LFTs in spite of using these agents

Again. I am not using NAC as any type of liver protection. I've been using it for other reasons.

 

[CherryChillin]

Again. I am not using NAC as any type of liver protection. I've been using it for other reasons.

It boosts glutathione. End of story.

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