Unemployment

[Perrin Aybara]

So I'm being laid off after today. Business has been slow, so my position here is being eliminated to save money. Been here 16-17 months full time. They're also saying I can be reduced to minimum wage and part time and take a permanent low level position starting next week. From an online unemployment calculator I'd be better off on unemployment money wise and obviously time wise while looking for another job. Working part time or for minimum wage really isn't an option for me, neither is drawing unemployment for very long.

My question is can I be denied unemployment for not taking this part time minimum wage position? Is this like a loophole where they can basically force you out without paying unemployment?

 

[franchise24]

Does your company have a handbook that might have this information?

Or go to HR and asked them. They should provide you with an answer.

Hope I helped a little.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Does your company have a handbook that might have this information?

Or go to HR and asked them. They should provide you with an answer.

Hope I helped a little.

Nah, it's a small business owned by my family. Stepdad actually and he doesn't care to screw me over. Long story, but that's the situation.

 

[Dw725]

Damn man. I hate to hear this. I keep hearing the economy is still rough but in my specific state it's booming, especially in the industry I deal with. Don't know if your willing to move south east.

 

[MindlessWork]

Have you started a job search? Why not see what training programs your state offers for those who are newly unemployed.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Can't really move. Got some property I'm already invested in to move into in the next couple months once the weather clears up enough to do the work. Plus my girlfriend has kids and can't move.

I can find another job. There's a couple factory jobs in the area that are hiring. That's not going to be a problem.

I'm just wondering if I can draw unemployment for like a month or so while I finish the work on my house and then go work somewhere else. Time and weather have been the limiting factor in digging a septic system and foundation and all that. It's just a trailer and it's already on my property right now. I have enough money saved to get it done and with the unemployment could get by in the meantime.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I'm just trying to take advantage of a bad situation here. I can either draw unemployment for awhile and get this work done myself so i can get moved in or just jump right in another full time job and pay someone else to do it so i can move in. Not doing this minimum wage thing. Just trying to see what my options are until i can get a new job.

 

[MindlessWork]

I'm just trying to take advantage of a bad situation here. I can either draw unemployment for awhile and get this work done myself so i can get moved in or just jump right in another full time job and pay someone else to do it so i can move in. Not doing this minimum wage thing. Just trying to see what my options are until i can get a new job.

Give it a shot. You could draw the unemployment for the time it takes to get your place ready and also to put in the application for those factory jobs.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

So I'm being laid off after today. Business has been slow, so my position here is being eliminated to save money. Been here 16-17 months full time. They're also saying I can be reduced to minimum wage and part time and take a permanent low level position starting next week. From an online unemployment calculator I'd be better off on unemployment money wise and obviously time wise while looking for another job. Working part time or for minimum wage really isn't an option for me, neither is drawing unemployment for very long.

My question is can I be denied unemployment for not taking this part time minimum wage position? Is this like a loophole where they can basically force you out without paying unemployment?

Yes, if you refuse a job you will be denied unemployment. Especially a job at a company you already work for
And yes your stepdad is fucking you

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Yes, if you refuse a job you will be denied unemployment. Especially a job at a company you already work for
And yes your stepdad is fucking you

Thank you. This is what i was looking for here.

I guess I'm going to sleep on this. I'm so pissed right now i can't bring myself to do it. Maybe it's best to make minimum wage a week or two until i can get on somewhere else. It's a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Kakarot]

Not sure how your state works but if the company tries to deny you in my state get ready to wait. I waited 3months when I tried to draw.

 

[Docd187123]

Thank you. This is what i was looking for here.

I guess I'm going to sleep on this. I'm so pissed right now i can't bring myself to do it. Maybe it's best to make minimum wage a week or two until i can get on somewhere else. It's a hard pill to swallow.

Tell your stepdad to eat dick

"You can still collect unemployment benefits after refusing a job offer, but only if the job being offered is not considered "suitable employment." A job with overly demanding physical requirements or too low of a wage (as compared to your physical condition or previous job experience) likely would not be considered suitable. But what about a job that is just slightly less desirable than what you would like, or one that requires a somewhat longer commute? In those situations, you may have to either accept the offer, or go without unemployment benefits."

 

[franchise24]

I'm just trying to take advantage of a bad situation here. I can either draw unemployment for awhile and get this work done myself so i can get moved in or just jump right in another full time job and pay someone else to do it so i can move in. Not doing this minimum wage thing. Just trying to see what my options are until i can get a new job.

You can always supplement your income by doing some Personal training/coaching.

 

[MindlessWork]

Not sure how your state works but if the company tries to deny you in my state get ready to wait. I waited 3months when I tried to draw.

Yes and that's the amount of time unemployment appeals can take. If you get denied you can appeal, and Docd has a good point too.

 

[Kakarot]

Tell your stepdad to eat dick

"You can still collect unemployment benefits after refusing a job offer, but only if the job being offered is not considered "suitable employment." A job with overly demanding physical requirements or too low of a wage (as compared to your physical condition or previous job experience) likely would not be considered suitable. But what about a job that is just slightly less desirable than what you would like, or one that requires a somewhat longer commute? In those situations, you may have to either accept the offer, or go without unemployment benefits."

Unless neither one of them mention anything about a minimum wage job option it'll have to be appealed which takes up more time than I'm sure he wants to commit to.

 

[Eman]

Yes, if you refuse a job you will be denied unemployment. Especially a job at a company you already work for
And yes your stepdad is fucking you

Not necessarily.

If the pay cut is significant, he should be able to at least receive partial unemployment.

However, the boss fucked up by saying you're laid off first... He should have said you're receiving a demotion.

If he gets denied, it'll go through an appeal process that Perrin should take advantage of and his stepfather will have some difficult questions ahead of him. When it gets to appeals, the judge almost always sides with the employee and not the employer... The burden of proof always lies with the employer.

What you're saying isn't wrong though, there is just more to it. I hate unemployment agencies.

 

[Docd187123]

Unless neither one of them mention anything about a minimum wage job option it'll have to be appealed which takes up more time than I'm sure he wants to commit to.

Only if the stepdad is aware of the law and files.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Tell your stepdad to eat dick

"You can still collect unemployment benefits after refusing a job offer, but only if the job being offered is not considered "suitable employment." A job with overly demanding physical requirements or too low of a wage (as compared to your physical condition or previous job experience) likely would not be considered suitable. But what about a job that is just slightly less desirable than what you would like, or one that requires a somewhat longer commute? In those situations, you may have to either accept the offer, or go without unemployment benefits."

I mean I can go to take a chance and apply after work. That definition is kind of up for interpretation. It would be about 20% reduction in pay and 50% reduction in hours.

 

[Docd187123]

So you'd basically make 40% of what you're making now. Apply as soon as you can. The worst that happens is they deny you which isn't as bad as not applying and never having a chance at getting it.

I mean I can go to take a chance and apply after work. That definition is kind of up for interpretation. It would be about 20% reduction in pay and 50% reduction in hours.

 

[Docd187123]

States may consider any of the following factors when determining whether an individual may continue to collect unemployment benefits after refusing a job offer (these are examples, not a complete list):

• Worker has no experience in the position or the field in general
• The job is more hazardous than the worker's last one
• Physical condition of the worker prevents him or her from accepting the job
• Travel costs and time would create a significant burden
• Bad working hours (or not enough hours)
• Wages are substantially lower than the industry standard in the region
• The job is at a location where the current workforce is on strike