Test/deca/tren question

[Dr. Savage]

So I just got recommended this if I were to run tren (first time with tren). Rather take advice from meso and their experienced people. So is this logical

1-14 test p 100 mg EOD
1-10 npp 100mg EOD
11-14 tren a 75mg EOD


Clomid 50/50/25/25

Not sure how many days after last pin to start pct. 3 days?

Also when I switched from npp to tren I'd lower calories and change diet

 

[GnarShred]

Yeah that would be a good cycle. I would start the Tran on week 10 and do 50 mg every other day the first week to make sure how you feel and then if everything's good bump it up to 75. It's strong s*** man. Anything above 75 and I'm not sleeping so I keep it at 75 every other day for me

 

[Dr. Savage]

Ill do that exactly! Will just clomid be okay?

 

[GnarShred]

I'm not the best multiple person on post cycle. Am I passed that the only thing I've used. Last year I did a short cycle test prop for 6 weeks and Tren for 5 weeks pre-contest. I did not do any post cycle and waited about a month post contest and I went to get blood work done. My test was a little low and everything else came back in the normal ranges. My test was in the 400s. Do you already know what your Baseline is? That's good to know so that when you get your post cycle blood work done you can see how much a drops mind dropped from the low 600s about 200 points. Obviously you're running much longer cycle and using Deca is supposed to shut you down worse. I guess I'm just making two points one I haven't been the smartest with post cycle myself and to you don't always get shut down as bad as people think but everyone's different

 

[GnarShred]

I was looking into learning more about proper post Cycle Therapy but I actually chose to just start blasting and cruising for now so I don't come off anymore don't have to worry about the whole post cycle thing right now I just cruise on trt at 175 a week for 10 weeks and then do a cycle for 10 weeks

 

[Dr. Savage]

Test p/npp and dbol, suerdrol or anadrol for 4 weeks?

 

[GnarShred]

There's several combos. I'd do research and figure out why you want what. Personally I dont stack more than one NEW (meaning never done before) compound per cycle. So that way you learn What you like and don't like.
My next bulk will be
Test c 500mg 10 weeks
Npp 450mg. 10 weeks
Dbol 40mg 5 days week 6 weeks (probably the last 6)

 

[GnarShred]

Not that you arent researching im just saying...you could keep changing it and there's tons of options out there some will agree and some will disagree. Make smart choices and trial and error over time you'll learn your body better then what others can tell you to take

 

[Munky]

Test/winny/masteron / alone would provide nice dry look or test/halostein for immediate results

 

[GnarShred]

Test/winny/masteron / alone would provide nice dry look or test/halostein for immediate results

That's a cutting cycle I believe he's bulking. Winstrol destroys joints...i know from experience. Should only be used for contest or something important imo. I could say yea tren, deca, dbol, winny, var bro. Big and hard....um yea true but at what cost to your health. Please re look my last 2 comments. Strategy over time, not just throwing random compounds in...

 

[Munky]

Sorry bro I was half asleep

 

[Dr. Savage]

I've used dbol before I just didn't care for the bloat look and feeling. I guess ill just do test p and npp only to see how I react. Maybe three weeks of dbol

I've done tons of research I just like hearing people's personal experience

 

[GnarShred]

I've used dbol before I just didn't care for the bloat look and feeling. I guess ill just do test p and npp only to see how I react. Maybe three weeks of dbol

I've done tons of research I just like hearing people's personal experience

Yea I get ya..i figured you do. I just worry guys like monkey throwing random combos out there for you to try. I say 1 new compoundveach time then youll be mixing and matching your favs over time. But in the end it's your experiment man. Goodluck keep us posted!

 

[Bigboy727]

I'm wanting to run test and deca. Not sure if I'm going with test p and npp or long ester.

But my question is, could I add tren a toward the end of the cycle to "clean up" and harden up? If so how many weeks? Or would var or winny be better?

Also in your experience should I go with test p/npp or test c/deca long ester?

I am currently taking npp and test ph.
150 mg of eachE3D because of the test ph

Npp is a lot better than Deca on me.

I run the npp for 9 weeks and the test for 10 because I like to try to get the nan to start clearing a bit because I shut down hard on Deca or npp. My recovery is a breeze on npp.

 

[GnarShred]

I am currently taking npp and test ph.
150 mg of eachE3D because of the test ph

Npp is a lot better than Deca on me.

I run the npp for 9 weeks and the test for 10 because I like to try to get the nan to start clearing a bit because I shut down hard on Deca or npp. My recovery is a breeze on npp.

Do you feel you gain more size and strength on npp vs deca or just quicker? Also what about dosage npp vs deca? I ran deca once and was disappointed but onlybran 300mg for 10 weeks. Planning on npp for 10 weeks at 450mg. (With test at 500mg and dbol 40mg 5 days a week the last 6 weeks)

 

[Bigboy727]

I was thinking so the more I researched it. Im going to get caber just in case I need it. But I'm going to run my adex .25 EOD and adjust it from there

How many days after your last pin of test p and npp before you start pct? And I've read you shouldn't use nolvadex is you're using deca. Were they referring to nolvadex on cycle or in my PCT?

Do you feel you gain more size and strength on npp vs deca or just quicker? Also what about dosage npp vs deca? I ran deca once and was disappointed but onlybran 300mg for 10 weeks. Planning on npp for 10 weeks at 450mg. (With test at 500mg and dbol 40mg 5 days a week the last 6 weeks)

I feel npp way quicker do to the short ester. I run Deca at 400-600 and feel going over 600 isn't the best thing but many do. I run Npp at 350-450. I wouldn't run Deca again unless I do my Test E, Eq, and Deca cycle again. I run Deca at 300 a week on that cycle but run it for 12 weeks and run test and Eq for 20 weeks. Npp is definitely cleaner gains for me and it's a little funner to see a layer of fiber added to my muscles daily. I will never get my pro card so I don't dose shit out of control. I have no problem controlling water weight or blood pressure spikes on npp and test ph. I do this for gains but I care about being around for long term so I may not be the best to listen too. Npp at 450 should give you great results. If you use a short ester run your AI 3 days after last pin. Try using Aromasin if you can get it instead of Arimdex. Deca and npp shut you down bad. Take my advice for what it's worth.. drop the Dbol because first thing.. keeping any gains is really hard once you stop it and a lot of it is water in the muscle. Second.. when running short esters it's will be in your blood about 3 days and Dbol is usually for long esters and people who are inpatient for feeling like your "ON". Don't take a great cycle and put something so sloppy in it. Use anavar or Tbol in my opinion but are not needed!!!! Using 200 mg of Tren is the most ideal way to run it if your body can handle it. Ignore the 2 19nor talk. Try running npp and test Ph or p EOD for 10 weeks first and see how it is before adjusting it, is my thoughts. I had two buddies copy that cycle and love it what it did to them!