Exemestane... the truth

[tenpoundsleft]

I'd take it on an 'as required' basis.

Don't schedule it.

Yep

After reading @Docd187123 sentiments about avoiding AI use a while back, I've started to go by my own "E2 tells" - the first is a "crackling" feeling in the skin around my left ankle/shin, then it progresses to left foot kankle (like Hillary, how appropriate that it's my left ankle) if uncorrected and then dualsided kankles. Then there's also the emotional aspect, getting teary-eyed over silly shit on TV etc.

There's also the morning and middle of the night wood thing, but that seems to be more dependent on the right mix of steroids that I take, morning wood can weaken without the left ankle bloat kicking in, I think too little Test is what triggers that - I try to go light on test and run other compounds on top instead.

 

[Apexvallen]

Bloodwork? What will you do with them?

Confirm that your T is way above range but trying to keep your E2 in range?
Do you think that makes any sense?

Why not have a more rational and pragmatic approach which would be to go by the symptoms, ie libido, penile function, nipple sensitivity, water retention?

The whole "E2 needs to be in range" while you have supraphysiological testosterone levels doesn't make endocrinological sense. Your health biomarkers are affected by a balance and a proper ratio of the two, to which equation you also need to add DHT.

I completely disagree. I would much rather look at my bloods and find exactly my estro rather than rely on side effects, some of which are shared between high and low e2.

 

[Oregongearhead]

After years of Adex I went with just 12.5mg EOD Aromasin this time for my gram week test cut cycle . Glad I did its really cut-out the stupid emotional "feelwings" I get sometimes and the high anxiety . Better BP control too and losing weight is easier this time around. I think I like Aromasin .

 

[Eman]

I completely disagree. I would much rather look at my bloods and find exactly my estro rather than rely on side effects, some of which are shared between high and low e2.

You're really just going to be treating a number at that point.

Furthermore, despite some side effects being shared, I think it would be safe to assume that if you're taking exogenous testosterone and develop symptoms... You're not experiencing low estro symptoms.

 

[2legit2quit]

Unless it's LCMS, the E2 reading on bloodwork isn't a reliable enough gauge anyway. Standard assays (on which most will base their AI dose) can and will show you in and out of range while you're anything but.

Being aware of your own body's reaction is an important tool here.

 

[Apexvallen]

You're really just going to be treating a number at that point.

Furthermore, despite some side effects being shared, I think it would be safe to assume that if you're taking exogenous testosterone and develop symptoms... You're not experiencing low estro symptoms.

Yes I will be treating a number because if i go by how I feel, how do I know that my estrogen is the only thing affecting how I feel. Maybe I'm lethargic from another oral or my cals were off, or I'm slightly dehydrated, or I have ED but its just stress? I could blame it all on 'oh my estro is too high'. Or I could just check the number and know for sure. I find going by feelings pretty useless. A lot of guys say their test is bunk or under dosed but they get bloods and its where it should be. Humans just aren't that good at quantifiying feelings into usable data.

And yes, the point of symptoms being shared is a trivial one.

 

[Apexvallen]

Maybe some people are just better at listening to their bodies and I suck nards at it. I've always been a numbers person I guess.

 

[Eman]

Yes I will be treating a number because if i go by how I feel, how do I know that my estrogen is the only thing affecting how I feel. Maybe I'm lethargic from another oral or my cals were off, or I'm slightly dehydrated, or I have ED but its just stress? I could blame it all on 'oh my estro is too high'. Or I could just check the number and know for sure. I find going by feelings pretty useless. A lot of guys say their test is bunk or under dosed but they get bloods and its where it should be. Humans just aren't that good at quantifiying feelings into usable data.

And yes, the point of symptoms being shared is a trivial one.

Good points. Most of them I would offer the retort of Occam's razor... But I'm also not downplaying the importance of getting bloodwork, only that treating a number in the absence of symptoms isn't ideal.

 

[Brolloks]

At 12.5mg pharma aromasin mon-wed-fri... my e2 still came back at 152....
This was a test only blast

Which is good. Your e2 has to rise in proportion to test for the beast results.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Which is good. Your e2 has to rise in proportion to test for the beast results.

Yeah, there's a ratio of TT/E2 that's supposedly good to track, and somewhere in the 18-22 range is the sweetspot. Although symptoms are supposed to still be more of a guide than any absolute E2 number.

There's a Nelson study done on this.

I think people worry too much about E2 getting too high, pay attention to the body, no symptoms, you're fine.

@Docd187123

 

[Brolloks]

E2 getting too high is an issue But trying to keep it within normal natty ranges is silly.

Like you say @tenpoundsleft - it's a trial and error thing. There's no golden rule or one size shoe.

 

[Docd187123]

There's no golden rule or one size shoe.

There is a golden rule. Brownies are one of man's greatest achievements....

 

[Brolloks]

There is a golden rule. Brownies are one of man's greatest achievements....

And REMOTE CONTROLS. I'd be 20 pounds lighter if I had to get up every time I had to change the channel.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

There is a golden rule. Brownies are one of man's greatest achievements....

Only the corners

 

[Apexvallen]

Good points. Most of them I would offer the retort of Occam's razor... But I'm also not downplaying the importance of getting bloodwork, only that treating a number in the absence of symptoms isn't ideal.

Yeah I hear ya brother and agree in some cases.

 

[Brolloks]

Yeah I hear ya brother and agree in some cases.

Dude, stop pretending.

 

[CAswole]

Which is good. Your e2 has to rise in proportion to test for the beast results.

Ya I've gotten up to 419 e2 with no symptoms lol... obviously I was not taking an AI either