Superdrol and trenbolone

[Bullet train]

How does Sdrol + Tren combo feels?
Does it feel especially nasty? Or their side effects counteract each other?

I imagine it would be like putting a grenade in your body. I would never try this combo, I doubt anyone even in this for the long haul would touch superdrol...
Even competive bodybuilders.

@jaymaximus said, "I used both at the beginning of my current cycle. Worked great. Felt like shit the whole time. I will do it again"
So you can see a first hand account here, of what it's like to use both.

 

[musclemoose]

This thread is meant to discuss whether tren or sdrol would be better for dry lean body mass cycle gains...

With also a focus on health, and taking gains vs side effects fully into account. Which would you choose, And why?

I would rather do this if your looking for oil/oral combo. Equipose is literally testosterone without the amortization. There is amortization but very very very little so you stay dry and lean. Id rather run Equipose at 800-1000mg a week for 20 weeks with 100mg proviron (50mg twice per day) and save myself from all the sides and look exactly the same as if i took tren or sdrol or both. You'll sleep better, less sides and the gains will be close to the same if you train hard and diet right.

 

[musclemoose]

I've never used Sdrol.

But Tren isn't a grower in my experience. Lean bulk or otherwise. If I wanted to use Tren in a growth cycle I'd have to anchor it with one of the big two growers, Test or Deca.

Test 250
Tren 250
Deca 600

Or

Test 500
Tren 250
Mast 250

If i had to pick it would be this one...
Test 500
Tren 250
Mast 250

 

[musclemoose]

Very good advice and perspective!!! I agree with you, I currently am only using testoterone only blasts. I cannot justify the usage for any other compounds myself. I'm not into wet bulkers, or orals.

When I do my first contest next year I'm considering prepping with only test/mast!

My interest here in the question is soley for my own research purposes and knoweldge of course.

Hey i prep with only test/eq and proviron. Im big on high test runs and high eq runs and when contest time comes i taper down and diet hard. when my diet and supps are on point i can prep with dbol if i had too. too many guys rely on the compounds. any anabolic/androgenic will preserve lean muscle mass when dieting properly. and leaning out and being ready for the stage is all diet. compounds only help so much.

 

[Bullet train]

Hey i prep with only test/eq and proviron. Im big on high test runs and high eq runs and when contest time comes i taper down and diet hard. when my diet and supps are on point i can prep with dbol if i had too. too many guys rely on the compounds. any anabolic/androgenic will preserve lean muscle mass when dieting properly. and leaning out and being ready for the stage is all diet. compounds only help so much.

So what's the backstory on provorion, its one of the very few compounds I know little about. You seem to be a avid user, would u mind enlightening me on what it is essentially?

Also, why low TEST/ high EQ/Provorion combo Over low test/ high mast for prep?

Personally I like mast as the go to prep compound, over anything else because it seems to be the most side friendly and healthy over than just normal test. And of course mast does not aromitize at all and has no progesterone nature.

I'm personally a proponent of the low test / high mast / var prep cycle... That seems to be the best imo for both health and aesthetic affect.

 

[musclemoose]

So what's the backstory on provorion, its one of the very few compounds I know little about. You seem to be a avid user, would u mind enlightening me on what it is essentially?

Also, why low TEST/ high EQ/Provorion combo Over low test/ high mast for prep?

Personally I like mast as the go to prep compound, over anything else because it seems to be the most side friendly and healthy over than just normal test. And of course mast does not aromitize at all and has no progesterone nature.

I'm personally a proponent of the low test / high mast / var prep cycle... That seems to be the best imo for both health and aesthetic affect.

I would use masteron if i didnt get nasty acne welts when i use it. Ive used 3 different UGL brands and it happens every time. For some reason i dont react well to it. But when i did use it i hardened up very nicely. Proviron works the same for me but is very mild with the sides. i only see benefit at 100mg a day so it tends to get expensive but i like to run it 6-8 weeks precontest after ive tapered down the Test/EQ. Also i like Proviron because it is similar to oral primobolan where its really not toxic to the liver. Im very particular about my liver in my late 30s. I used tons of orals in my 20s and wont risk it at my age. The older you get the harder it is for liver to heal. And i have no issue with the anavar except that its even more expensive than proviron and its highly faked because of that. And the cost vs benefit just doesnt appeal to me. And the proviron dries me out better because its also consider an AI. Which is why alot of guys like masteron. So i believe masteron or proviron has great use precontest and probably should be included in everyones arsenal for prep time. Leave the anavar for the ladies.

 

[Bullet train]

I would use masteron if i didnt get nasty acne welts when i use it. Ive used 3 different UGL brands and it happens every time. For some reason i dont react well to it. But when i did use it i hardened up very nicely. Proviron works the same for me but is very mild with the sides. i only see benefit at 100mg a day so it tends to get expensive but i like to run it 6-8 weeks precontest after ive tapered down the Test/EQ. Also i like Proviron because it is similar to oral primobolan where its really not toxic to the liver. Im very particular about my liver in my late 30s. I used tons of orals in my 20s and wont risk it at my age. The older you get the harder it is for liver to heal. And i have no issue with the anavar except that its even more expensive than proviron and its highly faked because of that. And the cost vs benefit just doesnt appeal to me. And the proviron dries me out better because its also consider an AI. Which is why alot of guys like masteron. So i believe masteron or proviron has great use precontest and probably should be included in everyones arsenal for prep time. Leave the anavar for the ladies.

Good insight

 

[foxace36]

I imagine it would be like putting a grenade in your body. I would never try this combo, I doubt anyone even in this for the long haul would touch superdrol...
Even competive bodybuilders.

@jaymaximus said, "I used both at the beginning of my current cycle. Worked great. Felt like shit the whole time. I will do it again"
So you can see a first hand account here, of what it's like to use both.

Is it really THAT toxic? I really want to give it a try on my next blast. Maybe like a low dose of 10mg ED though.

 

[Bullet train]

Is it really THAT toxic? I really want to give it a try on my next blast. Maybe like a low dose of 10mg ED though.

I really don't know. From what I've researched superdrol is just not a commonly used or healthy drug. I've seen it compared to being as toxic as running High doses of dbol and anadrol at the same time. Overall the consensus is it will throw your lipids, cholesterol, and blood pressure out of whack. And reak havoc on your liver. I've even read about superdrol related deaths, as rarely used as it is used.

I just can't see putting that in my body for 3-4 weeks regardless of how anabolic and dry it is. As some earlier in this thread have said, to add lMB the best thing to do is just to up your cals, and bulk steadily on compounds like test, Or maybe deca.

I would do some research if your that serious about doing it, and decide. my decision is I'm not going to ever take it.

Tren, is a great all around steriod. Bulking, cutting, and recomping. It's also terrible health wise. But I would be more inclined just to run tren than superdrol at least. It's a similar drug IMO. Lean and dry amazing gains. Although with one at least your not wreaking absolute havoc on your liver.

Others may chime in, but this is my perspective

 

[foxace36]

I really don't know. From what I've researched superdrol is just not a commonly used or healthy drug. I've seen it compared to being as toxic as running High doses of dbol and anadrol at the same time. Overall the consensus is it will throw your lipids, cholesterol, and blood pressure out of whack. And reak havoc on your liver. I've even read about superdrol related deaths, as rarely used as it is used.

I just can't see putting that in my body for 3-4 weeks regardless of how anabolic and dry it is. As some earlier in this thread have said, to add lMB the best thing to do is just to up your cals, and bulk steadily on compounds like test, Or maybe deca.

I would do some research if your that serious about doing it, and decide. my decision is I'm not going to ever take it.

Tren, is a great all around steriod. Bulking, cutting, and recomping. It's also terrible health wise. But I would be more inclined just to run tren than superdrol at least. It's a similar drug IMO. Lean and dry amazing gains. Although with one at least your not wreaking absolute havoc on your liver.

Others may chime in, but this is my perspective

Hmm, might have to throw away the pack I have if it's that horrible for your liver. Especially since tren alone put one of my liver ranges at triple the highest reference ranges, alongside no orals.

 

[musclemoose]

So what's the backstory on provorion, its one of the very few compounds I know little about. You seem to be a avid user, would u mind enlightening me on what it is essentially?

Also, why low TEST/ high EQ/Provorion combo Over low test/ high mast for prep?

Personally I like mast as the go to prep compound, over anything else because it seems to be the most side friendly and healthy over than just normal test. And of course mast does not aromitize at all and has no progesterone nature.

I'm personally a proponent of the low test / high mast / var prep cycle... That seems to be the best imo for both health and aesthetic affect.

Without question the best time to use Proviron will be during the cutting phase. This steroid has the ability to provide a bit of a hardening effect similar to Masteron, but more importantly the hardening effects of other steroids will be enhanced. Then we consider its strong binding to the androgen receptor, which will in fact enable the individual to burn body fat at a far more efficient rate. From here we must consider the anti-estrogen effect of Proviron. This will ensure the individual is less prone to water retention and as discussed, depending on the total cycle, it could negate the need for a traditional anti-estrogen. Then we’re once again left with the enhancement of circulating free testosterone. This can be a tremendous benefit when testosterone levels are often much lower during this phase of anabolic steroid use. In fact, with a low dosed testosterone cycle that includes other anabolic steroids, we can confidently say the total results will be greater for the individual who includes Proviron compared to the one who does not. In the end, the primary base benefit is the increased androgenicity of other steroids being used in order to promote a much harder and far more defined physique. It should be noted while Proviron can most certainly provide these traits they will not be noticeable unless you are lean.

 

[Bullet train]

Hmm, might have to throw away the pack I have if it's that horrible for your liver. Especially since tren alone put one of my liver ranges at triple the highest reference ranges, alongside no orals.

Bro I ran tren once, it made my urine dark as fuck. Almost no matter how much water I drank, given it was a 24 week Run and I had no bloods. But my hypothesis is it definitely wreaked havoc on my body, and liver included.

I don't plan to use tren again actually. Only test. And mast, or var for preps.

The only way I see getting on tren again is if I'm going to make a run at a pro card one day potentially.

Also before you throw out the Sdrol, just maybe do some more reading. I've read some being able to mitagate the toxcity with lots of water and NAC,milk thistle and other liver guards. Maybe try just 20MG for 3 weeks to be on the safe side. But I also would probably throw it away myself, but good luck.

 

[Ironlyfe80]

If you're responsible, there are no issues running "toxic compounds. Keep doses and run time moderate, drink lots of water and do not take anything else harsh on your liver (booze, Tylenol, accutane...etc).

The highest my liver enzymes got, one of them was 93 and the other 64 (after 7 weeks of tren) and 30 days later one was in the 20s and the other low 30s.

 

[Bullet train]

If you're responsible, there are no issues running "toxic compounds. Keep doses and run time moderate, drink lots of water and do not take anything else harsh on your liver (booze, Tylenol, accutane...etc).

The highest my liver enzymes got, one of them was 93 and the other 64 (after 7 weeks of tren) and 30 days later one was in the 20s and the other low 30s.

Have you any experience running orals, if so how did that fare? Superdrol specifically?

 

[Ironlyfe80]

I've run injectable @25mg for 3 weeks then. 4 weeks later ran drol @100mg for 3 weeks. Test at 750/week. End of cycle bloodwork showed levels in (high) acceptable range.

 

[foxace36]

Bro I ran tren once, it made my urine dark as fuck. Almost no matter how much water I drank, given it was a 24 week Run and I had no bloods. But my hypothesis is it definitely wreaked havoc on my body, and liver included.

I don't plan to use tren again actually. Only test. And mast, or var for preps.

The only way I see getting on tren again is if I'm going to make a run at a pro card one day potentially.

Also before you throw out the Sdrol, just maybe do some more reading. I've read some being able to mitagate the toxcity with lots of water and NAC,milk thistle and other liver guards. Maybe try just 20MG for 3 weeks to be on the safe side. But I also would probably throw it away myself, but good luck.

I'll definitely do some more reading before throwing it away, thanks. I think I am just going to stick with 10mg, if I do decide to do it. Do you think that'd still give a noticeable effect?

My piss never got dark or anything, and never felt lethargic. Just out of wack liver levels. I never got them checked when I started TUDCA though. I probably should've.

 

[musclemoose]

Hmm, might have to throw away the pack I have if it's that horrible for your liver. Especially since tren alone put one of my liver ranges at triple the highest reference ranges, alongside no orals.

yep tren put my values almost 4 times normal range. i havent touched that toxic junk in over 8 years and nothing will change my mind about it. if you know what your doing training and diet wise you dont need that crap.

 

[foxace36]

yep tren put my values almost 4 times normal range. i havent touched that toxic junk in over 8 years and nothing will change my mind about it. if you know what your doing training and diet wise you dont need that crap.

I was also on like 700mg per week though. Going to try a more moderate dose next time. I was doing cruise dose test + 700mg tren. Going to try 450/350 test/tren next time and see how I react.

 

[Bullet train]

yep tren put my values almost 4 times normal range. i havent touched that toxic junk in over 8 years and nothing will change my mind about it. if you know what your doing training and diet wise you dont need that crap.

Just curious, what are your go to compounds. What do u like to bulk on?
Recomp?
Cut?

 

[musclemoose]

Just curious, what are your go to compounds. What do u like to bulk on?
Recomp?
Cut?

When i bulk I bring my test cyp up to 1000-1200mg per week and increase my HGH to 8iu per day. When im leaning out i taper the test cyp down to 200mg and run the equipose at 800-1000mg per week and taper the HGH down to between 4-6iu per day. And when im where i need to be months out from contest i then taper down EQ to 200mg with the test at 200mg, lower HGH at 2iu and add in 100mg proviron (50mg twice per day) to harden up. At 37 yrs old those are the only compounds im using. Dont get me wrong ive used everything under the sun throughout my 20s. But i feel now is not the time to be running tren, deca or toxic orals at this stage of my life.