I literally do it only to make my dick grow, so far, no success
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So I just got back from the cardiologist's office
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Jankauskas
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Have you tried hanging weights in it?I literally do it only to make my dick grow, so far, no success
It really works! Uh I heard...
Sk8man101
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Am I misreading this?
It says 1/3 of the dead AAS abusers had CV issues but 2 out of every 3 of the deaths were cardiac related?
Get back on the corner bitch. Nobody asked you to open your coksucker. If I want to know the risks of swallowing large amounts of semen I'll be sure to tag you. Until then get the fuck out
It's often best to review the original research when citing statical data as the authors and I did in this instance.
Defining all cause mortality can be a difficult task for a variety of reasons, such as nebulous police reports, illegible hospital records, multi-factorial "cause of death" autopsy records,
conflicting all cause documentation, family autopsy refusal, and of course poor Doctor handwriting
Nonetheless I'll pull the original studies and post them, to ensure the data is not skewed
or misunderstood.
Jim
That's the type of evidence based question I enjoy reflecting upon, bc in situations such as this how the authors
DEFINED "CV issues or Cardiac related" can have a considerable impact on the
percentiles in each category.
Defining all cause mortality can be a difficult task for a variety of reasons, such as nebulous police reports, illegible hospital records, multi-factorial "cause of death" autopsy records,
conflicting all cause documentation, family autopsy refusal, and of course poor Doctor handwriting
Nonetheless I'll pull the original studies and post them, to ensure the data is not skewed
or misunderstood.
Jim
That's the type of evidence based question I enjoy reflecting upon, bc in situations such as this how the authors
DEFINED "CV issues or Cardiac related" can have a considerable impact on the
percentiles in each category.
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Are theses effects reversible? I'm assuming they are not , because people generally cycle on and then off, so the time off is really just pausing anymore damage until the next cycle?
I don't think cardio should be avoided. The last time I went to a cardiologist, he told me to more cardio since I wasn't any.
In you opinion, is it more dargerous for athletes to AAS then bodybuilders ?
Jankauskas
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Did he know you were juicing? Search athlete's heart like the doctor said.
Bullet train
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Is the take away from all this not to do cardio if your on gear?
I've recently started upping mine. and have been enjoying 1.5 mile runs, and things like that...
Is this a no, no? I read that Frank zane used to run every night, and he's still alive and in his 70's...
Jankauskas
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In college i wass taught that endurance cardio ia wrong, that human beings are an animal, fundamentally, and if you look at other animals in the animal kingdom, no other does endurance running, or running "for fun".
Sprints on the other hand are prevalent, for hunting, running away, etc, so if there is any cardio to be done it should be in short bursts of high intensity.
It makes sense to me that endurance overwork their heart by putting constant strain on it, marathon runners and other high performance long distance athletes tend to have a lot of heart conplications later in life, and many of them never touched a steroid.
I only recently started doing it(cardio) and i do a moderate ammount at a moderate pace, but i think that after everything i have read, doing it on a bulk while on gear is asking for trouble.
Bullet train
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Hey bro,
Why would TRT call for a yearly echo? And also I've done some reading and saw that you have quite a bit of exp. In the trenbolone Dept. Up to 300MG ED; that's bostin Lloyd type of doses. Well I'm happy your heart is good, hopefully it stays that way.
Bullet train
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Interesting. Thanks for the insight. Also I'm curious, why did u start doing cardio? And are you going to keep doing it?
Jankauskas
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I started doing it because I came off gear, and I started to weight train less, and wanted to eat a bit more, so cardio provided the extra calorie expenditure I was looking for. I plan on ditching it when I start cycling again, its less calories I need to eat to compensate for, more energy for my weight training workouts, and I believe less strain for the heart while on cycle.
The heart is a muscle, albeit cardiac muscle, it seems it is also stimulated by the anabolic effects of steroids, making it hypertrophied. Cardio is a direct form of cardiovascular training, therefore, if you do cardio while on gear and if you follow this train of thought, its pretty obvious what the end result will be.
This is my opinion anyways, if any of the doctors here want to participate with their insight then Im all for it.
CAswole
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Everyone hates you.
The differences are important from a cardiac risk perspective bc "anaerobic" exercise tends to INCREASE vascular resistance which results in LVH, and LVH reduces chamber size AND is a well defined Cardiac Risk factor
The endurance athlete enhances cardiac output by INCREASING chamber size often without evidence of LVH.
Nonetheless the difference is often one of extremes, ask any marathon runner how their hips and knees are faring 20 years down the line.
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The effects are cumulative regardless and if risk reduction is important, limiting the dose and duration of AAS use remains the most reliable means of achieving that objective IMO
It's very difficult to get people to listen about using low low doses. I did test only for years, then experimented with different compounds and higher doses for a while. Now I'm back to a low HRT dose and feel way better and my blood work is better as well. I really do worry about some of my friends, running multiple grams per week for years on end. It's going to end badly for them. I'm going to come off completely with PCT for a while and see how I do. I'll probably keep running my 1iu of growth a day but that's all. I've done it before no problem but I'm older now so I'll just have to see what happens.
I agree. It's almost as if a lot of guys ignore the facts. Despite all the evidence guys are running larger dosages . A lot of young guys running a gram of test?? High test and/or tren always seem to be in the mix when someone has major issues. It's not just blood work that needs to be monitored, it's the heart. Ask any of the older guys that been doing this for a while. Not the older guys that just started a few years. The ones that been doing this for 10+ years what they will tell you. Ask guys like @mands , @Demondosage, @ironwill what their opinions are large dosages if you don't complete. Guys can look damn good on low dosages. It just takes time and work. God forbit someone posts a question on staying healthy or low dose cycles , they get like one reply. If a guy posts the same stupid tren cycle question , its past 2 pages in a day.
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