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Sourcing?

FiEnD said:
Not only that but it's one thing to sell to a couple bros at the gym but a whole other to build a loyal customer base and move a large quantity of gear fast enough to make it worth the risk.

OP isn't the first to think this. Wouldn't be the first to try wont be the first nor last to fail.

Sources get picked apart before they are trusted. Would need to be in the game and have some legit connections outside from a 15 day old member account on Meso
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I agree on all 3 of your points.
 
FiEnD said:
There is NOT a need for it. You're a prison sentence waiting to happen lol
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No? All I read about it no source, shitty gear from a source, shitty comms from a source, shitty ta from a source....etc.

I have a source...as I'm sure we all do. I think I could be better than anyone I've used. Not that I'm unhappy, but improvements could always be made.

I have the space and the capitol, lack knowledge and skill of the craft. I can always learn that side of it.

This is all in theory anyway.

All I see is the criminality of it being pointed out...that's a given. I was hoping to see some things brought up about equipment or cleanliness that I hadn't considered....or anything I hadn't considered honestly.
 
Slammich said:
So I've been reading...and was considering learning to brew. Not expensive for a DIY operation. Sealed sterile vials and syringe filters....digital stirring hot plate, a decent balance, glassware, pins, etc.

Then I read about bottle top filters and vacuum pumps for larger brews. And autoclaves and stoppers and crimp caps....

Got me to thinking about learning the craft and sending my shit to analyzer and simec. Raws first, then finished oils. First batch that keeps good and doesn't crash I'd use myself as long as it was contaminate free. Then I'd order a big batch of raws and have them tested. Then brew big. Send finished oils out again to verify dosage, etc.

If a source tested in this manner with every batch of every brew, and stayed ahead of market demand, what other complaints or problems would people have? Internet security for sure...but what else?

I'm not saying I'm going to do it....i guess what I'm saying is why not do it? Everybody is complaining about the lack of decent domestic product availability. I work 14 days a month so I'd have plenty of time to do it if I decided to. The equipment overhead is ridiculously low for starting a small business. Profit margins are decent. The only downside I can think of is the illegality of it all.

I was thinking oils only. No pct and no orals.

Thoughts?
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Assuming this is just for information purposes or an humor/troll post, not meant to actually break any laws


Slammich said:
Of course that's what I mean. And yes it is. That does concern me. Like how do people mail out and track orders without tying them to the source? No tracking then customers could lie about missing packs...so many details to figure out. A consumer gets busted, small time. A dealer gets busted....thats the rest of your life.
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They all will get busted in the long run
It's just that LE takes its time to gather all evidence
Why sources always get busted by 2 years like clockwork?

Slammich said:
That's the debate. Risk vs. Reward. That aside, it's my choice alone. My question is more along the lines of wouldn't it please the community to cover all the bases that they typically nail sources for?
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Again just for information/humor purposes only, I'm not encouraging or condoning to break any laws:

LE nails sources for 4 things

1 Surveillance dropping packages at Postal office or dropbox
The most dangerous one, that can't be outsourced
Do cops watch the mail-from post offices for domestic shipments?

2 Importing raws or semi finished
As sniffing drugs at customs ain't trained to sniff steroids, they could be smuggled in if creative methods are used.

3 Checking/answering customers Emails
All VPNs are BS. LE can break thru them, especially if they get a judge warrant they can get FBI or even NSA to cooperate.
Large sources ONLY check their customers Emails abroad in corrupt, steroid friendly countries. Then they forward the encrypted orders to (stupid) remailers.

4 Collecting money
Even with Bitcoin (more even so with WU/MG) large sources collect money only abroad. Google NAPS info leak and Truefighter hack, Naps seemed to have literally dozens, maybe hundreds of money receivers in different countries. Probably handed a small tip for collecting money for the kingpins.



Simple logic says that after all domestic busts it won't take long for once-a-month, backordered, constantly moving sources to appear.
They only mail once a month (backordered) and constantly move among different states (always a different, unexpected location) to avoid being traced. AND EVEN THAT CAN FAIL

I've always wondered what would happen if a source vanished/closed doors after 6 months or so, and LE only has circumstantial evidence but no continuing operations are found.
 
master.on said:
Assuming this is just for information purposes or an humor/troll post, not meant to actually break any laws



They all will get busted in the long run
It's just that LE takes its time to gather all evidence
Why sources always get busted by 2 years like clockwork?



Again just for information/humor purposes only, I'm not encouraging or condoning to break any laws:

LE nails sources for 4 things

1 Surveillance dropping packages at Postal office or dropbox
The most dangerous one, that can't be outsourced
Do cops watch the mail-from post offices for domestic shipments?

2 Importing raws or semi finished
As sniffing drugs at customs ain't trained to sniff steroids, they could be smuggled in if creative methods are used.

3 Checking/answering customers Emails
All VPNs are BS. LE can break thru them, especially if they get a judge warrant they can get FBI or even NSA to cooperate.
Large sources ONLY check their customers Emails abroad in corrupt, steroid friendly countries. Then they forward the encrypted orders to (stupid) remailers.

4 Collecting money
Even with Bitcoin (more even so with WU/MG) large sources collect money only abroad. Google NAPS info leak and Truefighter hack, Naps seemed to have literally dozens, maybe hundreds of money receivers in different countries. Probably handed a small tip for collecting money for the kingpins.



Simple logic says that after all domestic busts it won't take long for once-a-month, backordered, constantly moving sources to appear.
They only mail once a month (backordered) and constantly move among different states (always a different, unexpected location) to avoid being traced. AND EVEN THAT CAN FAIL

I've always wondered what would happen if a source vanished/closed doors after 6 months or so, and LE only has circumstantial evidence but no continuing operations are found.
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Will be looking into what you mentioned. Thanks for the input.
 
Slammich said:
I was thinking oils only. No pct and no orals.
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I think that would be a problem. People would still need to get those from somewhere. If they have someone they trust for their orals, PCT, ancillaries, etc I think they'd want to get their oils from that source too.
 
Murho said:
I think that would be a problem. People would still need to get those from somewhere. If they have someone they trust for their orals, PCT, ancillaries, etc I think they'd want to get their oils from that source too.
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Based on threads I've scoured...the consensus is get the pct pharma grade and not to trust a ugl with your PCT. Is that not accurate?

Based on the pharma pct sites...they offer no gear.
 
Slammich said:
Based on threads I've scoured...the consensus is get the pct pharma grade and not to trust a ugl with your PCT. Is that not accurate?

Based on the pharma pct sites...they offer no gear.
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No gear from pharma pct shops.

Reason is that unless they're selling big-pharma counterfeits
at worst they'd get FDA politely knocking on door, albeit with a cease-and-desist letter you can't ignore
instead of cops smashing door and dragging you from bed to jail at 5:00 AM.
 
master.on said:
No gear from pharma pct shops.

Reason is that unless they're selling big-pharma counterfeits
at worst they'd get FDA politely knocking on door, albeit with a cease-and-desist letter you can't ignore
instead of cops smashing door and dragging you from bed to jail at 5:00 AM.
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That being said...a source for gear oils and a source for pct...although I would consider reselling for an EU based pharma if I sourced gear...
 
Slammich said:
I have the space and the capitol, lack knowledge and skill of the craft. I can always learn that side of it.
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There are infinitely more varietables to take into consideration than just capitol and the know how to brew(which you already admitted you're lacking in, so thats already a pretty bad starting point) ...

logistics, security , marketing , seizures , building an actual lab (assuming your not going to just be filling vials over the kitchen sink) , quality control , customer service, you cant possibly handle all of this alone , so now you have to find people you 100% completely trust with your life to bring into the loop to help run your operation efficiently ! This list could just keep going on , but im just tryin to illustrate the rabbit hole this generally tends to turn into ...

A small percentage of labs make in it in this game for a reason , and most labs that crash and burn dont generally get into this with the intention of fucking their customer base over ! Its usually the unforseen that brings down the smaller ugl operations, just shit they never took into account that once it happens they cant recover from ...

But hey im all for enterprise , and illegal drug sales is probably one of the purest forms of the free market . So go for it if you feel like you have something better to offer than the 1000's of other ugl's . You'll either be make alot of money or the market will eat you alive , good luck !
 
LordSamuilo said:
There are infinitely more varietables to take into consideration than just capitol and the know how to brew(which you already admitted you're lacking in, so thats already a pretty bad starting point) ...

logistics, security , marketing , seizures , building an actual lab (assuming your not going to just be filling vials over the kitchen sink) , quality control , customer service, you cant possibly handle all of this alone , so now you have to find people you 100% completely trust with your life to bring into the loop to help run your operation efficiently ! This list could just keep going on , but im just tryin to illustrate the rabbit hole this generally tends to turn into ...

A small percentage of labs make in it in this game for a reason , and most labs that crash and burn dont generally get into this with the intention of fucking their customer base over ! Its usually the unforseen that brings down the smaller ugl operations, just shit they never took into account that once it happens they cant recover from ...

But hey im all for enterprise , and illegal drug sales is probably one of the purest forms of the free market . So go for it if you feel like you have something better to offer than the 1000's of other ugl's . You'll either be make alot of money or the market will eat you alive , good luck !
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In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

A steroid/PED kingpin would better move abroad
both to handle raws/pharma-pct-sourcing/answering-customer-emails/cashing logistics and to reduce legal risk
and view domestic brewers/remailers as disposable IDIOTS.
 
master.on said:
In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

A steroid/PED kingpin would better move abroad
both to handle raws/pharma-pct-sourcing/answering-customer-emails/cashing logistics and to reduce legal risk
and view domestic brewers/remailers as disposable IDIOTS.
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Yeah ideally isolating yourself as much as possible from US jurisdiction is the go to move , but there's just to much money to be made and people will always take risk of brewing and distributing from within the US ... Can it be done safely, sure there are labs that have been around doing it for years but they are the exception not the rule ...
 
LordSamuilo said:
There are infinitely more varietables to take into consideration than just capitol and the know how to brew(which you already admitted you're lacking in, so thats already a pretty bad starting point) ...

logistics, security , marketing , seizures , building an actual lab (assuming your not going to just be filling vials over the kitchen sink) , quality control , customer service, you cant possibly handle all of this alone , so now you have to find people you 100% completely trust with your life to bring into the loop to help run your operation efficiently ! This list could just keep going on , but im just tryin to illustrate the rabbit hole this generally tends to turn into ...

A small percentage of labs make in it in this game for a reason , and most labs that crash and burn dont generally get into this with the intention of fucking their customer base over ! Its usually the unforseen that brings down the smaller ugl operations, just shit they never took into account that once it happens they cant recover from ...

But hey im all for enterprise , and illegal drug sales is probably one of the purest forms of the free market . So go for it if you feel like you have something better to offer than the 1000's of other ugl's . You'll either be make alot of money or the market will eat you alive , good luck !
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Interesting. I was thinking I could track my own logistics, security via secure email and my tech guy (doesn't need to know why I need a secure server), lab would be housed in my investment property that is undergoing a gut and remodel, QC thru analyzer and simec (3 month wait for testing...brew ahead and send raws with finished product), and customer service via secure email...no source boards....at all. Word of mouth for advertising and marketing. A small op around 100 or so clientele.

My worry is some guy's mom finds his shit...girlfriend, wife....whatever...police get involved...or somebody rolls on me for another reason and I get a cop making buys from me...i couldn't verify everyone I sold to...if I even tried cops would navigate around that. Fake social media...fake ID...anything. That's the security concern I have. Not customers info or anything...but security for me not getting busted.
 
master.on said:
In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

A steroid/PED kingpin would better move abroad
both to handle raws/pharma-pct-sourcing/answering-customer-emails/cashing logistics and to reduce legal risk
and view domestic brewers/remailers as disposable IDIOTS.
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Wasn't thinking kingpin status at all. But I see your point. Like I said...this is all hypothetical. Just tossing it around in my head. The idea that meso complains about the lack of good dom sources is alluring to attempt to fix though. I have a thing for helping people I guess.

No way I'd give up my day job to move OCONUS. Nothing is worth that.
 
Slammich said:
.girlfriend, wife
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This shit is where stuff goes wrong most of the time. Someone involved (the number of people involved in things of this type just grows and grows way beyond your projections FYI) gets pissed off or stupid (or both) and the dominoes start to fall.

LE are NOT the crypto masterminds that Master.on thinks they are (I was in this field for years and still am today, there is a reason they hate encryption so much, it fucking works) but they sure as hell know how to flip people.

They get their hooks into the first idiot, turn him/her, and it is all the fuck over. Can even start with customers.

The snitches ill be walking around free for years while you do their time for them.

For what?

4 fucking figures? Maybe 5 figures on the outside? Fuck that.

If you are going to deal, get offshore, then find a dumbass domestically to shoulder the puritan US enforcement risk.

5 figure incomes mean something in the rest of the world. Here it means a slightly nicer car outside the trailer until you get busted.
 
grey said:
This shit is where stuff goes wrong most of the time. Someone involved (the number of people involved in things of this type just grows and grows way beyond your projections FYI) gets pissed off or stupid (or both) and the dominoes start to fall.

LE are NOT the crypto masterminds that Master.on thinks they are (I was in this field for years and still am today, there is a reason they hate encryption so much, it fucking works) but they sure as hell know how to flip people.

They get their hooks into the first idiot, turn him/her, and it is all the fuck over. Can even start with customers.

The snitches ill be walking around free for years while you do their time for them.

For what?

4 fucking figures? Maybe 5 figures on the outside? Fuck that.

If you are going to deal, get offshore, then find a dumbass domestically to shoulder the puritan US enforcement risk.

5 figure incomes mean something in the rest of the world. Here it means a slightly nicer car outside the trailer until you get busted.
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This along with a few others is great feedback. Number wise...if i had 100 customers...spending just 1k per year...i could clear 90k. I have experience with involving others. You can't trust anybody. It would have to be a one man show for that reason alone. I like the offshore idea...but i don't have that kind of capitol.

If I protect myself...flipping a customer would get LE an email address. That is scary. Selling to a cop...that in theory would have a hard time finding me physically. Risk vs. Reward.

OTOH, bitcoin goes to a bank account...how to explain that shit? Cash in the mail? LE could watch the PO box....this puzzles me.

Thoughts?
 
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