Sourcing?

[grey]

OTOH, bitcoin goes to a bank account...how to explain that shit?

Again, US banking for criminal activities isn't a great idea. This becomes even more true if you were expecting your customer to obfuscate the blockchains for you.

One "simple" way to disguise this is the receive your payment in BC, then tumble them, then transfer to ANOTHER crypto currency (ether or whatever) entirely, tumble, convert to another currency possibly a third time, then cash out. Involving 2 or more separate blockchains makes traces almost impossible. But you CAN'T rely on the customer having done ANY obfuscation n their end. It is ALL on you.

Cashing out directly from the wallet receiving payments would be dumb as fuck in the USA.

$90k per year isn't bad by any means but would be honestly very difficult as a one man show. See how much tim and effort goesinto just answering customer questions from one single forum thread (PPL or PC are good examples). Criminal or no, people in the USA expect Amazon-like service pretty much all the time. This is why the ring always expands.

Also I would consult your earlier statement about "hitting a number and getting out". Contemplating staying in the game for a year or longer isn't a quick hit and exponentially raises the risk levels.

There were sources here who tried keeping tings very small scale that were quickly overwhelmed. The smart ones went "private" and limited their customers to a small group they "trusted" (which still isn't all that smart).

The dumb ones crashed and burned, bolting with the money....

The others just closed up shop or got out of the USA and went much bigger.

 

[Slammich]

Again, US banking for criminal activities isn't a great idea. This becomes even more true if you were expecting your customer to obfuscate the blockchains for you.

One "simple" way to disguise this is the receive your payment in BC, then tumble them, then transfer to ANOTHER crypto currency (ether or whatever) entirely, tumble, convert to another currency possibly a third time, then cash out. Involving 2 or more separate blockchains makes traces almost impossible. But you CAN'T rely on the customer having done ANY obfuscation n their end. It is ALL on you.

Cashing out directly from the wallet receiving payments would be dumb as fuck in the USA.

$90k per year isn't bad by any means but would be honestly very difficult as a one man show. See how much tim and effort goesinto just answering customer questions from one single forum thread (PPL or PC are good examples). Criminal or no, people in the USA expect Amazon-like service pretty much all the time. This is why the ring always expands.

Also I would consult your earlier statement about "hitting a number and getting out". Contemplating staying in the game for a year or longer isn't a quick hit and exponentially raises the risk levels.

There were sources here who tried keeping tings very small scale that were quickly overwhelmed. The smart ones went "private" and limited their customers to a small group they "trusted" (which still isn't all that smart).

The dumb ones crashed and burned, bolting with the money....

The others just closed up shop or got out of the USA and went much bigger.

Cashing out into my checking account is my fear there. I could use prepaid cards to load but that's a huge hassle.

Excellent valid points though. I appreciate the feedback. I thought about board sourcing...but private seems a better way to start. Still I'd be leery about customers. Can't verify them at all. Risk. Seems like I get one hurdle and find another or 3....

 

[grey]

Seems like I get one hurdle and find another or 3....

All business enterprises are like that. Illegal ventures just have more hurdles and bigger penalties for failure.

 

[grey]

my checking account

Never.

Start a business selling ANYTHING legit. The account is a business account for that. Preferably in your S type corp name or DBA name (and preferably offshore).

Sell legit shit as well, have a page for the legit shit. Accept bitcoin for legit shit (fuck sell minor stuff at a loss and you will have orders).

Gift card reselling is a huge scene. Do that on the side. Pay your fucking taxes on the total amount as though it were all legit!

You need to launder even for offshore shit, but for the USA it is an absolute MUST.

 

[master.on]

This along with a few others is great feedback. Number wise...if i had 100 customers...spending just 1k per year...i could clear 90k. I have experience with involving others. You can't trust anybody. It would have to be a one man show for that reason alone. I like the offshore idea...but i don't have that kind of capitol.

If I protect myself...flipping a customer would get LE an email address. That is scary. Selling to a cop...that in theory would have a hard time finding me physically. Risk vs. Reward.

OTOH, bitcoin goes to a bank account...how to explain that shit? Cash in the mail? LE could watch the PO box....this puzzles me.

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

Ask for gentle Barry

 

[Wunderpus]

Follow the 24K model... Sell good shit, stand behind your product, reimburse/encourage testing and pull out well before anything goes bad.... Dude had it figured out.

 

[grey]

pull out well before anything goes bad

I think this is what trips people up... things are going well, money is flowing.... takes a supreme act of will to walk away on top.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

Which is impossible for a ugl...so basically nothing? Thanks for your input. Interesting.

If I do source...i will call it Fiend Gear, in your honor.

if your expecting helpful people good luck finding them here, brew your own gear get some benzyl benzoate and Benzyl alcohol most things work in a 20%/2% ratio with the rest being a filtered oil or if its hard to hold some ethyl oleate and if its being a real dick some Guiacol but that will give you some interesting smelling sweat and a distinct smelling house. do it its cheaper than any finished product you'll EVER buy.

 

[grey]

if your expecting helpful people good luck finding them here

Way to not even read the thread before posting, shitbird.

 

[LordSamuilo]

if your expecting helpful people good luck finding them here,

Yeah because your post was at all helpful , aside from the fact it had fuck all to do with the thread it basically read ...

"Ummm just use 2/20% ba bb , if that doesn't hold add a random amount of ethyl oleate . If that also fails to hold throw in a random amount of guaiacol as a last ditch effort ..ohh p.s. it smells like shit , but just go for it because its super cheap! "

Real inspirational stuff !!

 

[Slammich]

if your expecting helpful people good luck finding them here, brew your own gear get some benzyl benzoate and Benzyl alcohol most things work in a 20%/2% ratio with the rest being a filtered oil or if its hard to hold some ethyl oleate and if its being a real dick some Guiacol but that will give you some interesting smelling sweat and a distinct smelling house. do it its cheaper than any finished product you'll EVER buy.

Many people have been helpful. Lots of things pointed out I hadn't considered. Different points of view are helpful. I expected a handful of mockery and "yer gunna go to the big house and get a booty fucking" shit to be slung.

 

[Slammich]

So Elite will be domestic for PPL. Wonder what the prices will be like? Obviously the quality is good since everybody loved elite gear and ppl gear.

If they had good prices they'd be tough to compete with.

 

[Holistic]

So I've been reading...and was considering learning to brew. Not expensive for a DIY operation. Sealed sterile vials and syringe filters....digital stirring hot plate, a decent balance, glassware, pins, etc.

Then I read about bottle top filters and vacuum pumps for larger brews. And autoclaves and stoppers and crimp caps....

Got me to thinking about learning the craft and sending my shit to analyzer and simec. Raws first, then finished oils. First batch that keeps good and doesn't crash I'd use myself as long as it was contaminate free. Then I'd order a big batch of raws and have them tested. Then brew big. Send finished oils out again to verify dosage, etc.

If a source tested in this manner with every batch of every brew, and stayed ahead of market demand, what other complaints or problems would people have? Internet security for sure...but what else?

I'm not saying I'm going to do it....i guess what I'm saying is why not do it? Everybody is complaining about the lack of decent domestic product availability. I work 14 days a month so I'd have plenty of time to do it if I decided to. The equipment overhead is ridiculously low for starting a small business. Profit margins are decent. The only downside I can think of is the illegality of it all.

I was thinking oils only. No pct and no orals.

Thoughts?

Yeah, prison is a big downside... not a slap on the wrist charge... more like manufacturing and trafficking and you are going to do most ... if not all of it... because it would probably be a federal case because of trafficking across state lines... probably stops most people frrom cranking up a lab..

Trust me prison isn't the place to be... I lost quite a few years, my family, everything I owned... hard starting over at 38

 

[master.on]

Many people have been helpful. Lots of things pointed out I hadn't considered. Different points of view are helpful. I expected a handful of mockery and "yer gunna go to the big house and get a booty fucking" shit to be slung.

So Elite will be domestic for PPL. Wonder what the prices will be like? Obviously the quality is good since everybody loved elite gear and ppl gear.

If they had good prices they'd be tough to compete with.

In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

Why don't you start a transgender hormone source?

Wider customer base
For every bodybuilder there are 10-100 transgenders
and 9 out of 10 bodybuilders are gay anyhow.

Wealthier customers
unlike most broke bodybuilders.

Smaller product range
You only need 4 products:
Injectable Estradiol. Probably an ester like Estradiol valerate.
Injectable Progesterone. btw Progesterone esters are not physically posible.
A couple oral antiandrogens
probably Spironolactone and Cyproterone acetate
Antiandrogen - Wikipedia
Hormone replacement therapy (male-to-female) - Wikipedia
and that's it. Compare to the endless myriad of anabolic steroids and esters.

Same brewing procedures
Injectables need the same oil, BA, maybe BB, filtration, vials.
Orals need the same process no matter if capsules, tabs or liquid form.

Less legal risk
You may only get an FDA letter instead of cops smashing the door.
You may even get a civil liberties group with sharp lawyers to appeal for you for free as to avoid or at least delay shutdown.


Come back in a couple years
post pics of your yatch, cars, beach house, gold chains that put rappers to shame
and don't forget to let @master.on drive your new Lambo

oh
and before bringing club girls home for sex
at least follow POTUS advice and grab them by the pussy
as to make sure they actually have one...

 

[Slammich]

In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

Why don't you start a transgender hormone source?

Wider customer base
For every bodybuilder there are 10-100 transgenders
and 9 out of 10 bodybuilders are gay anyhow.

Wealthier customers
unlike most broke bodybuilders.

Smaller product range
You only need 4 products:
Injectable Estradiol. Probably an ester like Estradiol valerate.
Injectable Progesterone. btw Progesterone esters are not physically posible.
A couple oral antiandrogens
probably Spironolactone and Cyproterone acetate
Antiandrogen - Wikipedia
Hormone replacement therapy (male-to-female) - Wikipedia
and that's it. Compare to the endless myriad of anabolic steroids and esters.

Same brewing procedures
Injectables need the same oil, BA, maybe BB, filtration, vials.
Orals need the same process no matter if capsules, tabs or liquid form.

Less legal risk
You may only get an FDA letter instead of cops smashing the door.
You may even get a civil liberties group with sharp lawyers to appeal for you for free as to avoid or at least delay shutdown.


Come back in a couple years
post pics of your yatch, cars, beach house, gold chains that put rappers to shame
and don't forget to let @master.on drive your new Lambo

oh
and before bringing club girls home for sex
at least follow POTUS advice and grab them by the pussy
as to make sure they actually have one...

That sounds like one hell of a money making endeavor...seriously.

 

[grey]

In an HYPOTHETICAL scenario (just meant for information or entertainment purposes only, not meant to break any laws or regulations):

Why don't you start a transgender hormone source?

Wider customer base
For every bodybuilder there are 10-100 transgenders
and 9 out of 10 bodybuilders are gay anyhow.

Wealthier customers
unlike most broke bodybuilders.

Smaller product range
You only need 4 products:
Injectable Estradiol. Probably an ester like Estradiol valerate.
Injectable Progesterone. btw Progesterone esters are not physically posible.
A couple oral antiandrogens
probably Spironolactone and Cyproterone acetate
Antiandrogen - Wikipedia
Hormone replacement therapy (male-to-female) - Wikipedia
and that's it. Compare to the endless myriad of anabolic steroids and esters.

Same brewing procedures
Injectables need the same oil, BA, maybe BB, filtration, vials.
Orals need the same process no matter if capsules, tabs or liquid form.

Less legal risk
You may only get an FDA letter instead of cops smashing the door.
You may even get a civil liberties group with sharp lawyers to appeal for you for free as to avoid or at least delay shutdown.


Come back in a couple years
post pics of your yatch, cars, beach house, gold chains that put rappers to shame
and don't forget to let @master.on drive your new Lambo

oh
and before bringing club girls home for sex
at least follow POTUS advice and grab them by the pussy
as to make sure they actually have one...

I can't believe I am going to say this but... That is a good fucking idea if you were going to do something.

 

[Slammich]

I can't believe I am going to say this but... That is a good fucking idea if you were going to do something.

I agree. I've seen the raws for sale but didn't realise what they were for.

 

[Roger rabbit]

I don't know if 9 out of 10 body builders are gay though[emoji23][emoji23]

 

[Slammich]

I don't know if 9 out of 10 body builders are gay though[emoji23][emoji23]

9 of 10 fitness models are gay. BB not sure of.

 

[TheUglyTruth]

I don't know if 9 out of 10 body builders are gay though[emoji23][emoji23]

Clearly you don't know how it ''swung'' on the east coast in the late seventies to mid eighties there was one doctor that was the first to bring parabolan and primo to the east coast mostly new york, and he bragged with actual pictures all the ''champions'' he had sex with in exchange for the new drugs that came in, the stuff the guys in the early 70's and 60's just didnt have. So even if there not gay....doesnt really matter, even Bostin Loyd started a gay for pay website and Kai Greene fucked a grapefruit and everyone still makes jokes about that.