First cycle

[CyrilCyanide]

Below is my proposed cycle.
Test e 300mg/week 1-12weeks
Dbol 30mg/ED 1-4 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg/Ed or EOD 1-4weeks
Tudca 250mgx2/Ed 1-4weeks.
How is this looking for a first cycle?
Stats 25 yo 5'9 195lb bf% unknown like pinching the skin underarm.
Would appreciate any critism.

 

[Eman]

300mg/wk is really low... I don't think I'd bother. Why so low?

No PCT outlined.

 

[Bullet train]

Below is my proposed cycle.
Test e 300mg/week 1-12weeks
Dbol 30mg/ED 1-4 weeks
Aromasin 12.5mg/Ed or EOD 1-4weeks
Tudca 250mgx2/Ed 1-4weeks.
How is this looking for a first cycle?
Stats 25 yo 5'9 195lb bf% unknown like pinching the skin underarm.
Would appreciate any critism.

Where did u come up with 300MG per week? @Eman is right... We definitely don't won't to encourage high doses, but 300MG ain't worth the shutting your hptta down.

The dbol looks good for a first run, I hate to see people wanting to try 40-50MG like that's the only way to get affects.

The Tudca won't do shit, honestly the liver supps from what I've read are overrated... I could be wrong, and I've got no personal experience running orals;
what I've heard, is you just drink alot of water! and you'll be good, as long as you don't abuse it.

 

[Meanstreetscleansheets]

Have waited a while to chime in, so feel free to correct me if wrong:
Good choices on test e, and dbol as its a long ester and should be the least painful and gentlest to effect the system, agree with those above should be from my reading a little higher dosage. At least 400mg/w from studies ive seen, and this is IMHO because i dont have the links, anything 300 or less a week broken down into two doses is 150 or less and thats bordering some TRT doses which as stated isnt worth shutting yourself down for. Dbol should give good gains given a solid nutrition regimen, though i havent used it so cant speak personally. Also you need a PCT or this is gonna be worthless haha

 

[CyrilCyanide]

300mg/wk is really low... I don't think I'd bother. Why so low?

No PCT outlined.

Pct Nolvadex the standard 40/40/20/20
I'm not sure if I should add clomid with it.

 

[Eman]

Pct Nolvadex the standard 40/40/20/20
I'm not sure if I should add clomid with it.

I think Nolva only PCT is a mistake... I never agree with others doing it.

If anything, clomid only would be better imo.

Why are you taking only 300mg? You're going to regret this being your first cycle I think

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Where did u come up with 300MG per week? @Eman is right... We definitely don't won't to encourage high doses, but 300MG ain't worth the shutting your hptta down.

The dbol looks good for a first run, I hate to see people wanting to try 40-50MG like that's the only way to get affects.

The Tudca won't do shit, honestly the liver supps from what I've read are overrated... I could be wrong, and I've got no personal experience running orals;
what I've heard, is you just drink alot of water! and you'll be good, as long as you don't abuse it.

Thank you for your input!The doses is debatable, I've read 300mg will give good results too by Dylan Gemili, he seems to be against high doses for first time users in the case of AAS- less is more.

As for tudca I can't say yet how effective this is, I've read some good conclusive research about it's function in the liver. I will see my doctor in next werk, I'll ask her about it.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

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I think Nolva only PCT is a mistake... I never agree with others doing it.

If anything, clomid only would be better imo.

Why are you taking only 300mg? You're going to regret this being your first cycle I think

Mostly to test the water if I like the results I'll up my dose on my 2nd cycle but it's also because I have Test vials in 300mg. My options either that or 600mg.
I'll add clomid to my pct.

 

[Eman]

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Mostly to test the water if I like the results I'll up my dose on my 2nd cycle but it's also because I have Test vials in 300mg. My options either that or 600mg.
I'll add clomid to my pct.

Why are those your only options?

Pull less oil into the syringe, voilà...

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Why are those your only options?

Pull less oil into the syringe, voilà...

Oh wow lmao. That didn't even occurr to me.. I feel so dumb.
Is there a 'regret' button?.
Ok now I have to figure out how many cc for 500mg.

Alrighty before I post anything else and embarrass myself further I'm gonna do some math and planning again.

 

[Dw725]

Dylan Gemili

That guy is a fool. Go ahead run 600 mgs of test, you'll be fine. If anything drop the dbol. I like diananbol just fine but save it for a second run once you've had a little more experience. Estrogen sides can be a bitch for some people with dbol.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Have waited a while to chime in, so feel free to correct me if wrong:
Good choices on test e, and dbol as its a long ester and should be the least painful and gentlest to effect the system, agree with those above should be from my reading a little higher dosage. At least 400mg/w from studies ive seen, and this is IMHO because i dont have the links, anything 300 or less a week broken down into two doses is 150 or less and thats bordering some TRT doses which as stated isnt worth shutting yourself down for. Dbol should give good gains given a solid nutrition regimen, though i havent used it so cant speak personally. Also you need a PCT or this is gonna be worthless haha

My cycle has been corrected.
Upping my dose to 500mg and pct is nolva and clomid.
My macros is good and on point.
90% plant base 10% meaty protien.

I am good to go.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

@Eman now that I have the correct cc for 500mg should I split it 2x a week? Does it matter at all? Or is just preference?

 

[CyrilCyanide]

That guy is a fool. Go ahead run 600 mgs of test, you'll be fine. If anything drop the dbol. I like diananbol just fine but save it for a second run once you've had a little more experience. Estrogen sides can be a bitch for some people with dbol.

If I drop the dbol will that change my pct? Do I need Nolvadex with clomid? Or can I drop the clomid?
Should I bother with aromasin anyway?

 

[Dw725]

If I drop the dbol will that change my pct? Do I need Nolvadex with clomid? Or can I drop the clomid?

No, but it may change the dose of ai you use/need.

Keep doing a little more research before you start this cycle. November 1 may be a little soon.

 

[Eman]

@Eman now that I have the correct cc for 500mg should I split it 2x a week? Does it matter at all? Or is just preference?

It really doesn't matter however, I personally prefer to pin twice per week. It does create more stable blood levels.

Now, let's back up to this:

90% plant base 10% meaty protien.

^ What in the hell is this about?

 

[CyrilCyanide]

It really doesn't matter however, I personally prefer to pin twice per week. It does create more stable blood levels.

Now, let's back up to this:



^ What in the hell is this about?

I'm a pescatarian my protien comes from lentils and chick peas and Pollock fillet.
I stay away from beef and chicken.

 

[CyrilCyanide]

No, but it may change the dose of ai you use/need.

Keep doing a little more research before you start this cycle. November 1 may be a little soon.

My mistake is I don't plan for plan B or C.
When changes happen plan A falls apart.
What do you think about my proposed cycle?
The only thing that needed change was the dose.

So now my cycle is
Test E 500mg/week
Dbol30mg/Ed
Aro 12.5mg/Ed or EOD
Tudca 250mg

If I drop the dbol some can argue aromasin isn't needed. I have nolva on hand but I will do some more research. Thanks.

 

[Eman]

I'm a pescatarian my protien comes from lentils and chick peas and Pollock fillet.
I stay away from beef and chicken.

Neither lentils nor chickpeas are a source of complete protein. So, I'll ask again, why is 90% of your protein intake coming from plant based sources... Incomplete ones at that.

Why are you only eating Pollack fillets? Tuna, cod, tilapia, haddock, salmon... What am I missing?

 

[CyrilCyanide]

Pricing for the fish,talapia is 8 for $10 vs Pollock $10 for 10 and they're about the same protein per.
Lentils and chic peas is what I eat daily and not just that. Chia seeds is complete protien they pack alot of it but they're also expensive. Tofus and beans are complete protein as well & Soy meat
My macros daily is 75g-85g fat, carbs 600g-636g
175gprotien with these. I'm on supp or my micronutrient

I could list everything I eat but what's the point in that? My macros are met and I'm not just eating incomplete protein.