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EcpertRealistic
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I've heard people complaining about loss of libido after long use of Clomid.
I hate how it messes with my head. I get all emotional on it. I cried like a bitch watching Titanic on Clomid
Your E was probably high.
We don't have any long term data on clomid use for men. It's one of the reasons why many practitioners are hesitant to prescribe it for long.
Not that I'm criticizing your doc, I understand why he chose it over test at your age, but you should be made aware that we simply do not know if its safe to use long term.
Not that I'm criticizing your doc, I understand why he chose it over test at your age, but you should be made aware that we simply do not know if its safe to use long term.
I'm probably confused but I'll answer what I think you're asking. Clomid 50mg every day at bedtime.
Yeah that is what he said also. Before trt my test was on average 330. After about 2.5 weeks on clomid it jumped to about 1012. It is now a touch over 1200. I guess I am just nervous about long term that's all. But I have also been wanting to jump to the dark side of supplements. Maybe I have some weird thinking, but if I already have naturally low test, and I am already on TRT, then running a cycle shouldn't (using this term loosely) cause much more harm. Since injecting testosterone is already suppressive.
Does your doc plan on having you on clomid permanently? Or is it just to see if you can restart your natural production (ie you'll come off at some point)? Because if it's the former, then obviously Test + HCG makes a lot more sense.
I wouldn't think about cycling at all until that TRT picture is cleared up. You'll have plenty of time for that later man
Does your doc plan on having you on clomid permanently? Or is it just to see if you can restart your natural production (ie you'll come off at some point)? Because if it's the former, then obviously Test + HCG makes a lot more sense.
I wouldn't think about cycling at all until that TRT picture is cleared up. You'll have plenty of time for that later man
He has given me the option to stay on it permanently, or taper off and see how my levels are. Essentially what he told me was that my brain was not sending the signal to my testes to produce. Do I want to be on TRT for the rest of my life, not really. If it is something I have to do, then yeah i'll do it.
I've thought about hcg, but he charges so much for it. I think he said 160 - 180$ for a 6 week supply, I believe.
Secondary hypogonadism, yes. Did you guys at least try to figure out the cause? Pituitary MRI, diet/training history, investigating other hormones to see if it's just a test-only thing, etc? Not that identifying a cause is guaranteed but still, some investigation is warranted when the alternative is life long treatment IMO.
Hmm..the problem is, without HCG, you have the side effect of reduced spermatogenesis with test - you don't with Clomid. That's one of the reasons why Clomid is the preferred option for younger folks. So if fertility is a concern then yes, staying on clomid is the right thing to do.
I still think, due to the lack of long term safety data, that you'll need to come off at some point to see if it helped jump start anything. I don't recommend it as a life long option.
You aren't on TRT, you are on clomid mono-therapy.
You are taking a pill. Let's not be too dramatic here.
1. He did not schedule an MRI (I asked about it, and he said it shows nothing).
2. I know my adrenals were low also. To which he put me on cortef, but I am off that now.
3. Trust me, I did a lot of research before starting. I was hoping to find out the root of what caused this.
4. I don't want kids, so the fertility concern is none.
Not being dramatic at all, I was just asking for advice.
Dude... What I am driving at is that if you feel taking that pill is a burden or any sort of real risk, then "the dark side of supplements" is nothing you should be remotely thinking of.
Right now you take a pill with virtually no known negative sides and have test levels over 1000 at age 23.
You are in a good place. Stay with it.
Nevermind. I see in another thread that you are already making preparations to purchase anyway... so this thread was pretty much a titty wank without a finish.
You are already going to completely destroy the current treatment regime.
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william12
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Clomid works long term, don't expect benefits from it alongside the rise of testosterone for about three months( weird but shown by one good study)
but some people find the psychological side effects unbearable, maybe because of the high dose, also if you get visual side effects STOP.
(My thoughts)
MaxTheMonster
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I had a similar experience when using clomid for pct. Got very emotional and also some temporary changes in my vision.
EcpertRealistic
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Update,
Looks like clomid was causing me vision loss. Never really noticed before until I tested my eye sight on the chart at my work and yeah significant decrease since last year when I got my vision script and also started clomid. So i stopped the clomid as of earlier this week, doctor is switching me to hcg, if that doesn't work then he'll prescribe test cyp.
Looks like clomid was causing me vision loss. Never really noticed before until I tested my eye sight on the chart at my work and yeah significant decrease since last year when I got my vision script and also started clomid. So i stopped the clomid as of earlier this week, doctor is switching me to hcg, if that doesn't work then he'll prescribe test cyp.
MaxTheMonster
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Yeah clomid makes me see trails
I see trails on clomid too, if you are a high responder, hcg is a great drug. I am on hcg mono and my free t has doubled. Make sure they measure your free t with a mass spectrometry
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