Low dose: test cyp and npp with HCG for TRT with joint relief?

[Testnoob50]

I'm on standard trt of test cyp 140mg per week and 500iu of HCG in divided doses .

I want to add NPP to the mix to get some joint relief for my shoulder and knees.I have a nagging torn labrum that is all re habbed up but still clicks and what not

I really don't want to take an AI or caber so I was thinking of the following:

• Test cyp 50mg E3.5D (S/Th)
• NPP 35mg 3 times per week (S/T/Th)
• Hcg 250iu E3.5D (S/Th)

Should this keep me below Supra levels while also keeping me at the high range for test, all while not requiring an AI or Caber?

And more importantly, can this be considered somewhat of a cruise?

 

[OldmanRob]

You may or may not need an AI at that dose. I'm at 200 and I experimented droppi g my AI. I am already holding water and seeing acne so I am getting bloods tomorrow and seeing where I am.

I suspect I need my AI, you may not but without bloodwork there is just no way to know.

My understanding is that you don't want high estrodial with Decca or NPP.

Get bloods or don't do it. HCG makes my E2 fluctuate like a beeeeeyotch.

 

[Testnoob50]

You may or may not need an AI at that dose. I'm at 200 and I experimented droppi g my AI. I am already holding water and seeing acne so I am getting bloods tomorrow and seeing where I am.

I suspect I need my AI, you may not but without bloodwork there is just no way to know.

My understanding is that you don't want high estrodial with Decca or NPP.

Get bloods or don't do it. HCG makes my E2 fluctuate like a beeeeeyotch.

Thanks for the tips. Bloods at troigh is still the correct thing to do?

 

[OldmanRob]

Thanks for the tips. Bloods at troigh is still the correct thing to do?

That's what I aim for

 

[Testnoob50]

Is there any sanity in what I'm trying to do here? Some people just laugh it off as retarded, but to a little old noob like myself it seems reasonable. Get all the trt benefits with the added joint relief .

 

[Naugahyde]

Is there any sanity in what I'm trying to do here? Some people just laugh it off as retarded, but to a little old noob like myself it seems reasonable. Get all the trt benefits with the added joint relief .

Been doing 80mg of Sustanon pw + 100 Npp ( 2 X 50mg ) for the last 4-5 weeks for similar reasons. Effects on a bashed up body & joints are present - but not convinced they are enough to make this a permanent addition to my Trt. Difficult to quantify as it's so subjective but if I had to give a number to the improvement in pain/flexibility - maybe 15%. Not life changing!
Increasing to 150 Npp ( 3 X 50 ) from now on but if things don't improve will just discontinue. Gonna give it another 2/3 weeks...
25% or thereabouts improvement would be enough payoff for me to carry on & take the potential sides as they come

 

[Testnoob50]

Been about 6 weeks since I started nandrolone. Started with Deca but then switched over to NPP. Been on 100mg divided into three doses per weem. I think I started out at 200 front load (I know stupid), but anyway, I feel fantastic .I lowered my test cyp dose to 120mg per week .where thinks clicked and ached before no longer click or ache, or are significantly minimized .

I wish it wasn't working so well, as Im not sure about a permanent addition to trt. We shall see .

Anyone else incorporate nandornand into a trr/cruise routine?

 

[ZoomyR6]

Get bloods or don't do it. HCG makes my E2 fluctuate like a beeeeeyotch.

This x100
My e2 shot up from 32 to over 130 with the addition of hcg 500mg/wk. This cause me to get on an AI but eventually dropped hcg as it was giving me nothing but issues. Now, no more AI.

 

[Naugahyde]

Been about 6 weeks since I started nandrolone. Started with Deca but then switched over to NPP. Been on 100mg divided into three doses per weem. I think I started out at 200 front load (I know stupid), but anyway, I feel fantastic .I lowered my test cyp dose to 120mg per week .where thinks clicked and ached before no longer click or ache, or are significantly minimized .

I wish it wasn't working so well, as Im not sure about a permanent addition to trt. We shall see .

Anyone else incorporate nandornand into a trr/cruise routine?

Happy to report things have continued to improve since last posting. Like you I'm hoping to keep the 'Trt + Deca' going without sides. May stop for a few weeks just to guage effects. Probably do Deca or a Tri Deca type product rather than Npp - if going for the long haul...
Nelson Vergel ( Built to Survive ) did 200mg of Deca PW for 10 YEARS so it's totally doable.

 

[ZoomyR6]

do you happen to inject with a slin syringe?

 

[EcpertRealistic]

I'm on standard trt of test cyp 140mg per week and 500iu of HCG in divided doses .

I want to add NPP to the mix to get some joint relief for my shoulder and knees.I have a nagging torn labrum that is all re habbed up but still clicks and what not

I really don't want to take an AI or caber so I was thinking of the following:

• Test cyp 50mg E3.5D (S/Th)
• NPP 35mg 3 times per week (S/T/Th)
• Hcg 250iu E3.5D (S/Th)

Should this keep me below Supra levels while also keeping me at the high range for test, all while not requiring an AI or Caber?

And more importantly, can this be considered somewhat of a cruise?

I don't have problems running deca at 300 for 4 weeks. But if I push week 5 the deca dick immediately start to develop. I don't think 100mgs/week going to do much but I get noticeable results from just 4 weeks

 

[Testnoob50]

do you happen to inject with a slin syringe?

I draw with a 22g and inject with a 26g 3/8" into delts, quads and glutes. Going for subq, but don't mind a little IM if it ends up happening (delts). I refuse to inject subq into my stomach/sides anymore due to lingering lumps, and at my BF% you can actually see the stupid fucking lumps.

 

[cochino]

I don't have problems running deca at 300 for 4 weeks. But if I push week 5 the deca dick immediately start to develop. I don't think 100mgs/week going to do much but I get noticeable results from just 4 weeks

Deca doesn't usually kick in until week 4, so what you are doing idiotic at best.
Are you running test and ancillaries?
My guess is no.

 

[EcpertRealistic]

Deca doesn't usually kick in until week 4, so what you are doing idiotic at best.
Are you running test and ancillaries?
My guess is no.

Yeah, but the half life is 15 days giving you results till week 8+

 

[Testnoob50]

Just an update on my test cyp @120mg, NPP @ 112mg, hcg @ 500iu total per week.

Look crazy vascular and much more "roided" out compared to just test cyp and hcg. My shoulders got that look going for sure, which is a little unsettling since I'm not trying to blast .All compounds pharma grade except the npp.

Got bloods taken and prolactin and E2 are both in range without caber or AI.

My joints feel great, but I may reconsider this protocol after the summer if I continue to get bigger. I came off an 11 week low test medium tren cycle with mast and sdrol thrown in at the end 3 months ago, and while I don't look as full, I definitely have even more muscle than when I was at the peak of that cycle. Pretty strange.

5'9, 170lbs, BF sub 10%, same as my peak while on previous cycle (dipped down to 165 post cycle but back up to 170)

 

[Naugahyde]

Just an update on my test cyp @120mg, NPP @ 112mg, hcg @ 500iu total per week.

Look crazy vascular and much more "roided" out compared to just test cyp and hcg. My shoulders got that look going for sure, which is a little unsettling since I'm not trying to blast .All compounds pharma grade except the npp.

Got bloods taken and prolactin and E2 are both in range without caber or AI.

My joints feel great, but I may reconsider this protocol after the summer if I continue to get bigger. I came off an 11 week low test medium tren cycle with mast and sdrol thrown in at the end 3 months ago, and while I don't look as full, I definitely have even more muscle than when I was at the peak of that cycle. Pretty strange.

5'9, 170lbs, BF sub 10%, same as my peak while on previous cycle (dipped down to 165 post cycle but back up to 170)

Sounds pretty damn good to me - if it ain't broke ( & bloodwork keeps coming back in range ) why stop? Maybe you've just found your cruise sweet spot/Holy Grail...

 

[Testnoob50]

Sounds pretty damn good to me - if it ain't broke ( & bloodwork keeps coming back in range ) why stop? Maybe you've just found your cruise sweet spot/Holy Grail...

Thanks for the reply. Maybe you're right, it just seems too good to be true, I'm thinking maybe my NPP is overdosed, but how can I tell if prolactin is in range?

Just the way I look screams steroids, which is fine when I'm blasting but when I'm cruising just seems, again, too good to be true.

Can lifting heavy and hard 6 to 7 days a week really create this "look" with my current protocol? Since my last blast, I've kept up with my blasts training schedule, so maybe that's it?

 

[cochino]

Yeah, but the half life is 15 days giving you results till week 8+

No it's not. That's like saying you're still high 30 days after smoking marijuana lmfao.

 

[Naugahyde]

Thanks for the reply. Maybe you're right, it just seems too good to be true, I'm thinking maybe my NPP is overdosed, but how can I tell if prolactin is in range?

Just the way I look screams steroids, which is fine when I'm blasting but when I'm cruising just seems, again, too good to be true.

Can lifting heavy and hard 6 to 7 days a week really create this "look" with my current protocol? Since my last blast, I've kept up with my blasts training schedule, so maybe that's it?

Sounds like you are hitting the weight pretty hard - don't be too quick to rule that out. Don't think the Npp could be that overdosed, doesn't hold very well at higher concentrations.
How's the PIP on it & what brand you running?
Consider though it may come down to simple hard work + just enough aas to trip your genetic switch on muscle growth.

 

[Testnoob50]

Sounds like you are hitting the weight pretty hard - don't be too quick to rule that out. Don't think the Npp could be that overdosed, doesn't hold very well at higher concentrations.
How's the PIP on it & what brand you running?
Consider though it may come down to simple hard work + just enough aas to trip your genetic switch on muscle growth.

Appreciate the feedback . The brand is Hunter Pharm. Always quality gear. PIP is non existent, but I do mix it with test cyp and hcg for 2/3 of the injections. I dose the NPP M/W/F and the test and hcg E3.5d