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Speaking of PRIDE.....I'm sure everyone has seen this by now, but their contracts stated that they will not test for AAS.
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Why traditional Martial Arts are ineffective
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Heard that. We dont really disagree all that much here. Lesnar is a freak for sure. And hes a big guy. Like i said i aint talking BB or PL big here. Im saying an athletic D lineman thats trim and around 290 isnt being fooled or submitted straight up by a small BJJ guy. Hes coming with it and hes gonna wreck shit. Im talking about a big guy (over 6' and has a military back ground and an attitude to boot. His size will absolutely matter. Im talking about guys like that. Size, power and athleticism.
Are you referring to monsters like you??
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The only thing I would mention is that it's easy to overlook just how much "strength" a smaller person can convey to their opponent through their skill set, not even referring to speed here. A really really good, high level wrestler can easily render an opponent that is a less skilled grappler who doesn't know or hasn't practiced the proper escapes or defenses enough at least 40lbs heavier than them useless just through putting their weight on them because at the highest level, that 180lb guy putting his weight on someone can EASILY make it feel like an immovable weight. I've been on the receiving end of this and I can safely say fuck that shit, but it is very real. Plenty of recent examples of this in the MMA world - explosive fast twitch power can be drained fast and even faster if someone is out played (stipe vs ngannou anyone?).
This is assuming even reasonable weight differences of 40-50lbs. I think anything beyond that is too unpredictable to even speculate on.
Another example of this that becomes blatantly clear is when grip fighting in BJJ. 700lb deadlift? Good fucking luck against the guy who has been doing Judo for 15 years when grip fighting him in a GI. That's an example that plays out in gyms all the time, and it emphasizes the importance of tech. Like ripping a phone book in half, except harder.
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What about Brian Shaw. Submit him? Lol cmon bro. Just sayin
Imo it depends more on the person then the discipline. You can be the greatest in the dojo at whatever you choose but when the lights come on it changes.
Kimo vs Royce. Kimo a taekwondo black belt and Royce is Royce. Royce was giving up close to 75lbs and even though he got the tap he wasn't able to continue because of the damage. I don't remember kimo using 1 taekwondo technique in that fight it was pretty much pure aggression. Mindset
Kimo vs Royce. Kimo a taekwondo black belt and Royce is Royce. Royce was giving up close to 75lbs and even though he got the tap he wasn't able to continue because of the damage. I don't remember kimo using 1 taekwondo technique in that fight it was pretty much pure aggression. Mindset
What im saying is plain and simple no bjj dude is submitting Shaw. Because he simply is too large, too strong, his measurements are too much to overcome. 6'8 440. Yeah GL with that. And you KNOW that mfer can move. He just stands there and no BJJ guy is getting in his comfort zone let alone bringing his big strong ass to the ground. Nope. Nope. Nope
Im even saying officer Billy Badass is taking down mr BJJ controlling him and arresting him despite the BJJ man having a greater skill set. He will lose 1 on 1 vs an aggressive large officer. Size matters.
Disagree. You be surprised how many cops train bjj because of how effective it it. Not all bjj guys are 120lbs. There are a lot of beasts training bjj. I see your view truck I used to think that way before i trained bjj. Give it a shot for 6 months and tell me if you feel the same way.
Some BJJ is included in the MCMAP. Im familiar with it my man
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@gr8whitetrukker, you talking about grappling or mma context?
But you have some training. I'm talking about the untrained jacked guy.
Im talking RL scenario
Thats my point and ive seen yours. Were getting our crosshairs mixed up here man, lol. A big strong athletic guy with some training is a damn good bet for just about any scenario in RL even against a BJJ guy. Size def matters but not because you lift weights lol. Not some 5'7 jacked dude. Id take a 220 6'3 SEAL over a 5'7 280 jacked BB anyday
I think people confuse mma fighters with actual self life preserving martial combat.
Just lol if you think:
1. Mma is not a sport
2. Mma fighters are not professional sportsmen.
Look at the time before guns to get a clue about reality fighting.
HEMA fan here, fuck training BJJ for 15 years and rolling around on the ground with some fool while his homies kill your ass.
Seriously read the fucking treatises to find out how not to die in the days before firearms. But who cares really we have guns now so mma, bjj, boxing all of it technically is part of the entertainment industry fact.
Think about it your super duper fighting fantasy is considered entertainment media cos that's what it is.
If you walk around unarmed your a victim, end of discussion.
Just lol if you think:
1. Mma is not a sport
2. Mma fighters are not professional sportsmen.
Look at the time before guns to get a clue about reality fighting.
HEMA fan here, fuck training BJJ for 15 years and rolling around on the ground with some fool while his homies kill your ass.
Seriously read the fucking treatises to find out how not to die in the days before firearms. But who cares really we have guns now so mma, bjj, boxing all of it technically is part of the entertainment industry fact.
Think about it your super duper fighting fantasy is considered entertainment media cos that's what it is.
If you walk around unarmed your a victim, end of discussion.
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Idk trukk... I did MMA for years and always dominated guys way bigger than me. My training partners were always at least 50lbs heavier than me because I could seriously over power anyone my size. And even those guys were slow .
I'd say strength/power and speed are more effective than overall size. A big guy is just a bigger target, provides longer limbs to grab onto for locks, etc.
I bet John Jones could submit him!
Yeah but not because hes a BJJ guy. But because hes john freakin jones. Hes the best weve ever seen in the UFC IMOI bet John Jones could submit him!
