Deepness ITT, advices plz.

[x11]

1. Nobody gets asked to be born.
2. before you existed you had no consciousness for infinity time.
3. Everything that is born is guaranteed to suffer (individual mileage will vary).
4. In almost no time (geological time frame) you will no longer exist.
5. When you cease to exist you will return to a state of infinite unconsciousness and have no awareness you ever existed.

Given points 1-5, fap or no fap?

 

[Gbro]

all fap all the time crew

 

[Troy22]

Are you related to that Master.on guy?

 

[rugerjitsu]

A wise man once said...

“When you cease to exist, you cease to fap...fap on, brother.”

 

[x11]

A wise man once said...

“When you cease to exist, you cease to fap...fap on, brother.”

Wise words, was that Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi or Mandela?

 

[Gbro]

It was Willie Nelson

 

[x11]

It was Willie Nelson

Ah, the prohet Willie.

 

[flenser]

1. Nobody gets asked to be born.

How do you know? It might involve putting your name on a long waiting list to determine when (in universal time) you get to (re)enter existence.

2. before you existed you had no consciousness for infinity time.

Time doesn't exist without a universe. Consciousness, on the other hand, is not theoretically dependent on physics at all. It might persist in the absence of existence.

3. Everything that is born is guaranteed to suffer (individual mileage will vary).

Hurts so good.

4. In almost no time (geological time frame) you will no longer exist.

Immortality is not theoretically impossible, so this can't be a given.

5. When you cease to exist you will return to a state of infinite unconsciousness and have no awareness you ever existed.

See point 2.

Given points 1-5, fap or no fap?

fap all you want, of course, but fuck all you can as well.

 

[x11]

Really sloppy reasoning displayed in your rebuttals. Let me try and help you, your first point will be enough to point out your stupidity.

How do you know? It might involve putting your name on a long waiting list to determine when (in universal time) you get to (re)enter existence.

For his pile of shit to be true would require every known and demonstrable fact and theory of science to be false.

You have given no evidence of any of the following points which would all have to be true for your point to be relevant;

1. that a biological organism survives its own death and continues to exist in time and space.

2. That a deceased biogical organism maintains consciousness and it's identity after it's own death.

3. That a list, a recording device, a mechanism to implement the list all persist in time and space.

I could go on but basically you have made claims and speculations that require a bunch of magical shit to occur that require all known facts about the universe to be wrong. You have not provided any evidence or even a good reason that your claims are true hence that which you assert without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your voodoo magic is therefore dismissed.

Same goes for your other points.

Would you like another try or is one wreckage enough for you bro?

 

[flenser]

Really sloppy reasoning displayed in your rebuttals. Let me try and help you, your first point will be enough to point out your stupidity.



For his pile of shit to be true would require every known and demonstrable fact and theory of science to be false.

Err, no. Science is just a method of discovery. You probably mean physics, except physics deals only with those things in the universe, that is, things that exist.

You have given no evidence...

Of course not, I asked how you knew and gave an example that might be true and doesn't violate any know laws of physics.

...of any of the following points which would all have to be true for your point to be relevant;

1. that a biological organism survives its own death and continues to exist in time and space.

I made no such claim.

2. That a deceased biogical organism maintains consciousness and it's identity after it's own death.

I made no such claim. I did say consciousness is not dependent on physics at all. In effect there are no laws of physics that define or limit consciousness. It has no units used in physics. It is not energy.

3. That a list, a recording device, a mechanism to implement the list all persist in time and space.

I made no such claim.

I could go on but basically you have made claims and speculations that require a bunch of magical shit to occur that require all known facts about the universe to be wrong. You have not provided any evidence or even a good reason that your claims are true hence that which you assert without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Your voodoo magic is therefore dismissed.

Same goes for your other points.

Would you like another try or is one wreckage enough for you bro?

Something that is energy: straw man.

Do you have free will?

 

[x11]

things that exist.

Apart from your other denials, distractions and shifting goal posts your problem is that your argument depends on things to exist that have never been shown to exist.

Until you can show that things that "might' exist actually DO exist or at least give a rational argument to why anyone should believe in them you nothing but belief in magic.

You are just putting forward the same stupid scam that religions promote with the existence of an afterlife.

Its the fallacy of Russell's tea cup, if you can prove their isn't a tea cup orbiting in the rings of Saturn then it does.....etc.

Childish scam.

Next.

 

[flenser]

Apart from your other denials, distractions and shifting goal posts your problem is that your argument depends on things to exist that have never been shown to exist.

Until you can show that things that "might' exist actually DO exist or at least give a rational argument to why anyone should believe in them you nothing but belief in magic.

You are just putting forward the same stupid scam that religions promote with the existence of an afterlife.

Its the fallacy of Russell's tea cup, if you can prove their isn't a tea cup orbiting in the rings of Saturn then it does.....etc.

Childish scam.

Next.

Things that exist are in the universe, and defined (within the limits of human knowledge) by physics. Your claims infer knowledge of what doesn't exist; what's outside the universe and not defined by physics. I only said you don't know what you claimed are givens, and gave an example that contradicted your givens that does not violate the known laws of physics.

You ask me to prove what neither of us can possibly know, while asserting knowledge of the same with absolutely no evidence.

 

[x11]

You provided a counter example of my non existence to an existence after death that involves waiting lists for re-entry into the universe.

Burden of proof is on you or just admit you were making the most improbable shit up.

 

[flenser]

You provided a counter example of my non existence to an existence after death that involves waiting lists for re-entry into the universe.

Burden of proof is on you or just admit you were making the most improbable shit up.

A list is just math, not physics. It is not energy. It doesn't need to exist to be true. No mater how improbable my example might be, it doesn't violate the known laws of physics which proves your given is not a given.

 

[x11]

How do you record and store this magical list in your magical world.

 

[flenser]

How do you record and store this magical list in your magical world.

Me!? I exist. How should I know?

And BTW, magic is defined as influencing events through supernatural forces; in effect, influencing things that exist. My example has nothing to do with magic.

 

[Spooby]

 

[LOVEMe89]

God is infinite. Reality is Infinite. Time is infinite. Although you may no longer be conscious, another version of you will be. So really you will be concious. Just somewhere else and not you.

 

[x11]

God is infinite. Reality is Infinite. Time is infinite. Although you may no longer be conscious, another version of you will be. So really you will be concious. Just somewhere else and not you.

Evidence for any of this or I call horse shit.

 

[msl3862]

You post some very interesting threads, @x11. This one started as pretty light-hearted but became more serious as it has progressed.

Props to both you and @flenser for your skillful debate. IMHO both of your positions arrive at the same abyss in the blockchain.

Even if mankind were to develop an evidence based, consistently reproducible Theory of Everything it would inevitably run into at least 2 things it could not address: infinity (gravitational singularities) and ultimate uncertainty (what preceded and gave rise to the birth of the universe). Neither of those can be quantified or measured and so made subject to scientific scrutiny. Thus there can be no proof to resolve your #1,#2 or #5. Your #4 is demonstrably true with regard to the fact all biologic organisms die in a short time as measured on a cosmic scale. There is again no way to obtain data indicating whether consciousness (a sentient sense of self capable of awareness, expression, creativity) exists outside the confines of a body.

@flenser's position lacks any evidence based solution for the same reasons.

Since there can be no proof of either position one must choose to believe his/her truth. I am by no means a religious man. Belief in the absence of proof however requires a leap of faith.