Reversed roles and a backwards society

[flenser]

I'm something of a workaholic, so the only women I meet work for a living, or are grad students at one my wife's social functions. Sounds like there's a whole other world out there I'm missing, thank god.

 

[Demondosage]

I'm something of a workaholic, so the only women I meet work for a living, or are grad students at one my wife's social functions. Sounds like there's a whole other world out there I'm missing, thank god.

Yea dude, it's rough out there in the dating world now, from what I've seen and the guys I know still single

 

[x11]

For the record it takes an illegal drug forum to find a considerate discussion by men on contemporary men's issues and what men are experiencing in 2018 third wave feminism.

Every other place on the internet no such discussion would be tolerated as it would called rape culture, patriarchal oppressive hate speech blah, blah, blah.


Mark my words, a generation is coming thru of the sharpest, smartest most conservative generation ever.

The Proud Boys movement is just the start.

Good job meat heads.

 

[desertwarrior]

I'm actually not speaking personally on this topic. I have been fairly blessed when it comes to the females I've dealt with as well. My ideas on all this come from serving along side so many good guys who's wives or girlfriend betray them. I know my ideas aren't conventional but I see the family unit suffering and it hurts me deeply. Suicide in children is up exponentially, over 300% in kids under 11. What besides broken families could be driving these numbers so high. Obesity is at an all time high. Clearly being or becoming fat is becoming more acceptable. Sometimes making people uncomfortable is good it let's them know that something about there situation isn't okay. But as a society we are out to make everyone feel comfortable and equal and in my opinion it makes no sense and it's just stupid.

Just my opinion though, I respect the different view points here.

Most American families used to ship away or lock up children with special needs as well as lynch a black man for having consensual sex with a white woman. what’s your point? Times change brother all you can do is adapt.

P.s i’m ugly as fuck and my fiancé is absolutely smoking...makes more money than me also! I make her laugh so she keeps me around.

maybe you’re just doing something wrong to attract all these thunder cunts?

I think you hang out with shitty women OP. Mine, and most of the ones I kick it with are pretty focused on their families as well as managing their own professional lives. Could just be selection bias though, as my wife and I have been together over a decade through ups and downs and we've pretty much ceased contact with a lot of the people we used to kick it with back when we met, and the folks we spend time with now have their shit together so to speak.

 

[flenser]

For the record it takes an illegal drug forum to find a considerate discussion by men on contemporary men's issues and what men are experiencing in 2018 third wave feminism.

Well, you can go over the 4chan and talk to the incels, but take it in small doses or you will start thinking of slashing your wrists. They are an even creepier lot than the women described in this thread! They hate everyone, including and especially slutty women since they apparently can't even bag one of those.

I only mention it because this thread has that incel <shiver> feel to it. It creeps me out to think that group of sub-betas could one day obtain the status and power to counter the only slightly less creepy modern feminist movement.

 

[Demondosage]

If something ever happens with my marriage I'm going out of the country next time. Definitely Asian

 

[x11]

Well, you can go over the 4chan and talk to the incels, but take it in small doses or you will start thinking of slashing your wrists. They are an even creepier lot than the women described in this thread! They hate everyone, including and especially slutty women since they apparently can't even bag one of those.

I only mention it because this thread has that incel <shiver> feel to it. It creeps me out to think that group of sub-betas could one day obtain the status and power to counter the only slightly less creepy

You might want to consider those incels on the chans a wake up call and the logical conclusion of something that has gone very wrong in the fabric of society rather than shaming and blaming them.

Any other group beside young white men you would be apologising for their behaviour.

 

[flenser]

You might want to consider those incels on the chans a wake up call and the logical conclusion of something that has gone very wrong in the fabric of society rather than shaming and blaming them.

Any other group beside young white men you would be apologising for their behaviour.

I don't apologize for anyone's behavior. You must be thinking of someone else : )

A fair number of these guys are calling for mass murder, or at least cheering on the ones that commit it. They are some very confused individuals.

And they really aren't as unusual historically as they think. Genetic testing has shown that throughout history roughly 20% of the males produce 80% of the children. It's a good bet a large percentage of the remaining 80% of males never get a woman at all.

So the nature of the world is competition. It's a regular and necessary part of evolution. And I do blame the incels. I blame them for blaming others for their failures. It may be against their nature, but I'm sure most of them know exactly what they need to do to get a woman. They just have to get off their asses and do it.

 

[x11]

Ok, guess their behaviour is just nature, no big deal then.

 

[brutus79]

YES, this is exactly what I'm seeing nowadays.

I'm sure a self absorbed homophobic racist like yourself would be surrounded by those women. Reap what you sow bruh

 

[brutus79]

Man oh man... I was going to hop in but this is seriously high school level complaining. The OP is pissed that hot chicks go with ugly guys and being fat isn't the ridicule lightening rod it once was? News flash- a hot girl has her choice of mates for the most part. The reason she isn't choosing you douhebags isn't because she has been blinded by the degradation of society, her own feminism, or a lack of pledging the flag... it's because self absorbed, hatred filled middle to older aged white men roaming around talking about the good old days make everyone's skin crawl. Women work so they won't have to be your prisoner in some dead end relationship behaving how you think they should behave.

And if you good ol' boys are in a relationship now and just discussing how "terrible" this "new society" where women, minorities, fat people etc don't know their place is- YOUR GIRL OR WIFE IS CHEATING ON YOU. I PROMISE. THEY LAUGH ABOUT YOU BEHIND YOUR BACK.

Now I know why I get so much pussy... I'm not particularly attractive or charming. I'm just competing with you idiots.

 

[x11]

@brutus79 except all the research shows that modern women are far less happy, more lonely, carry record debt, more stressed and have less satisfaction than their oppressed counterparts.

Freedom has let them ride the cock carousel with pump & dump guys that leave them with kids and bolt then they ask where have All The good men gone .... and like predators start to look for a white oppressive conservative male to oppress them by paying down their debts, raising the kids, providing everything.

 

[brutus79]

@brutus79 except all the research shows that modern women are far less happy, more lonely, carry record debt, more stressed and have less satisfaction than their oppressed counterparts.

Freedom has let them ride the cock carousel with pump & dump guys that leave them with kids and bolt then they ask where have All The good men gone .... and like predators start to look for a white oppressive conservative male to oppress them by paying down their debts, raising the kids, providing everything.

Research. Really. Where did you read this? Your Facebook news feed? Trust me- this is not the experience of most men. Just you and everyone else who quotes studies they read about how unhappy women are.

 

[x11]

Dude it's a thing, I won't post links unless you ask me to. It's a paradox that has been reported widely in formal journals and every major news outlet.

The paradox is achievements in women's rights was supposed to make women happier - evidence says the opposite.

You might want to check out the man drought as well where women, not hoes, can't find male partners so much so they are freezing their eggs to buy time.

Your personal experience does not a trend make.

 

[brutus79]

I'm not doubting you can cut and paste a thread to some sort of proof... not even doubting that studies were done about this very thing. What I am doubting is the validity of the study and the obvious cherry picking of facts to support a theory. Women back in the roaring 20s, or the 40s, or even the 70s didn't even know they weren't happy. Everything that happened to them was acceptable. You got lucky if you got pregnant by a provider and hopefully he didn't beat you too much.

You know what? It's crazy to even argue this. Two men arguing about if women are happier than they were. like... two white guys arguing about racism, or two Israelis arguing about how Palestinians should or do feel. The fact that either of us thinks we have the answers is proof of misogyny- and totally irrelevant.

Women have a more prevalent role in society, so now they get to be more miserable like men who provide. That speaks about what the working poor feel- what the struggle for survival in a capitalist society renders emotionally and psychologically- it doesn't have a lot to do with gender as it seems to affect everyone negatively. The purpose of this thread is that women should, what, get back in the kitchen? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

How about change the working experience here? Plenty of other countries aren't letting their economy become the stock price driven austerity pool our work force has become... but no- if bitches would just get back in the kitchen, if people would just pledge the flag of a country that views them as expendable, if the old family unit of the dictator father was more prevalent, if these goddamn negroes would just know their place the OP would be happy. I am simply suggesting the easiest way out of the dilemma he feels is not the world around him changing- but simply a short car ride into a telephone pole with no seatbelt away. Poof! Happiness!

 

[x11]

Women have a more prevalent role in society, so now they get to be more miserable like men who provide. That speaks about what the working poor feel- what the struggle for survival in a capitalist society renders emotionally and psychologically- it doesn't have a lot to do with gender as it seems to affect everyone negatively.

This, 100℅. Running civilization isn't an oppressive plot hatched by the patriarchy to oppress women - it's a whole lotta dangerous, dirty, hard, thankless, soul crushing work that men carried the majority of the heavy lifting like good beasts of burden so women didn't have to.

This is the lesson here - the devil's horns are longer.

 

[brutus79]

This, 100℅. Running civilization isn't an oppressive plot hatched by the patriarchy to oppress women - it's a whole lotta dangerous, dirty, hard, thankless, soul crushing work that men carried the majority of the heavy lifting like good beasts of burden so women didn't have to.

This is the lesson here - the devil's horns are longer.

Did we just become best friends? Lol

 

[x11]

Did we just become best friends? Lol

We were never enemies.

TBH I know a lot of guys that feel a huge relief now that the expectation of protector and provider has been lifted from them.

They be like why bust their balls earning $200k/year when they can do everything they want for $50k and have spare time up the wazoo.

 

[brutus79]

Movie quote bro... and I know a ton of guys who could never provide properly due to the construct of society as a whole. I would say the ability of an uneducated unremarkable man to support a family evaporated in the seventies when income separated from inflation/cost of living. It's a losing game compounded by the lie of college- a way to sentence the initiated to debt bondage for decades in a situation where you pay for education in jobs that just don't exist.

We were never enemies.

TBH I know a lot of guys that feel a huge relief now that the expectation of protector and provider has been lifted from them.

They be like why bust their balls earning $200k/year when they can do everything they want for $50k and have spare time up the wazoo.

 

[desertwarrior]

I'd say you misread my post entirely if you've come to the conclusions you have. What I had to say and what you are arguing have nothing to do with one another. I mentioned MEN getting with uglier or fatter women not vise versa. Where you are coming up with me being angry over hot chicks with ugly guys I have absolutely no clue, as that's literally the opposite of what I was stating.

As far as the racism comment I have no clue where you got that from either. I am strongly against racism in any form. Actually where you are getting any of this is a mystery to me. I'm all for society moving forward. I have no issues with women working or 100% of anything you mentioned really. I however a staunchly against the moral diffuse that is taking place in this country.

If I'm not mistaken I'm also the only person to serve this country commenting on this thread. I've watched men give their life for the United States and I've put mine on the line countless times as well. Pride in this great place is ingrained in me deeply. Maybe the pledge means nothing to you, however that is not my position and never will be. The freedom you're using to voice your opposing point goes to show what a great place you live in.

I would go further in depth on my original post at this point however it would be futile as you clearly didn't grasp any of what I had to say the first time around.

I'm not doubting you can cut and paste a thread to some sort of proof... not even doubting that studies were done about this very thing. What I am doubting is the validity of the study and the obvious cherry picking of facts to support a theory. Women back in the roaring 20s, or the 40s, or even the 70s didn't even know they weren't happy. Everything that happened to them was acceptable. You got lucky if you got pregnant by a provider and hopefully he didn't beat you too much.

You know what? It's crazy to even argue this. Two men arguing about if women are happier than they were. like... two white guys arguing about racism, or two Israelis arguing about how Palestinians should or do feel. The fact that either of us thinks we have the answers is proof of misogyny- and totally irrelevant.

Women have a more prevalent role in society, so now they get to be more miserable like men who provide. That speaks about what the working poor feel- what the struggle for survival in a capitalist society renders emotionally and psychologically- it doesn't have a lot to do with gender as it seems to affect everyone negatively. The purpose of this thread is that women should, what, get back in the kitchen? Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

How about change the working experience here? Plenty of other countries aren't letting their economy become the stock price driven austerity pool our work force has become... but no- if bitches would just get back in the kitchen, if people would just pledge the flag of a country that views them as expendable, if the old family unit of the dictator father was more prevalent, if these goddamn negroes would just know their place the OP would be happy. I am simply suggesting the easiest way out of the dilemma he feels is not the world around him changing- but simply a short car ride into a telephone pole with no seatbelt away. Poof! Happiness!