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master.on said:
"safe-action" Glocks
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Glock has a two stage trigger. I've done some "contracting" work for Glock, as in Gaston himself. He's not a fan of someone calling his work "double action".

I'm an Army Infantry combat vet.
As for troops in a combat zone carrying with rounds locked and loaded; yes. Depending on how close to an engagement area one is; yes, there is a round in the chamber, and the weapon is on safe.

What most people don't realize is that most people in the military do not fight, and are not combat troops. Roughly 8 or 9 out of 10 are in a support function.
 
Havoc said:
Thanks there brother I appreciate it you wouldn't believe me if I told you that thing from the beginning starting with a block of 7075 T6 aluminum it only took me 6 days from the time I started till the time I cured the paint and it did not Jam once when I started to break it in. And if you guys know anything about that subsonic 300 Blackout ammo with a carbine length gas tube that is almost impossible and specially with a reduced Mass BCG. I'm actually planning on converting it to piston driven because right now really the only thing you can hear is a little bit of gas coming out of the ejection port and I'm thinking about putting a custom tunable gas block on it then you would only be able to hear the round hitting the target I love this 300 Blackout round
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Are you an old grunt bro?
I am. (and new around this site)
If so, and are feeling jammed up, drop me a line. Seems we've been on similar two way firing ranges.
 
RowdyGrunt said:
Glock has a two stage trigger. I've done some "contracting" work for Glock, as in Gaston himself. He's not a fan of someone calling his work "double action".

I'm an Army Infantry combat vet.
As for troops in a combat zone carrying with rounds locked and loaded; yes. Depending on how close to an engagement area one is; yes, there is a round in the chamber, and the weapon is on safe.

What most people don't realize is that most people in the military do not fight, and are not combat troops. Roughly 8 or 9 out of 10 are in a support function.
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Sorry for the confusion
I never meant that Glock is a double-action gun
I just asked if long guns (army rifles or carbines) with a similar mechanism exist.

A 0.22 in the pocket with a round in the chamber beats an unloaded Kalashnikov (for close quarters, urban combat).
In fact I've seen AK-47 bearing "tough guys" get disarmed by concealed handgun bandits.
 
master.on said:
Sorry for the confusion
I never meant that Glock is a double-action gun
I just asked if long guns (army rifles or carbines) with a similar mechanism exist.

A 0.22 in the pocket with a round in the chamber beats an unloaded Kalashnikov (for close quarters, urban combat).
In fact I've seen AK-47 bearing "tough guys" get disarmed by concealed handgun bandits.
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Ah! gotcha!!
To that end, your question is interesting, because being a gun guy, I've never thought about a long gun as a double action or in that context. Maybe other gun bunnies have :-)

Rifles and carbines, since they have a charging handle, are not really built in a way to be called double action. Once that charging handle is pulled, that boom stick is ready for a booger hook to press the bang button; unless the safety is on. Trigger pull on long guns tends to be very crisp with a short pull. The nuance is how much trigger pressure poundage is required to pull that trigger.

That was actually a thoughtful question. :-) Thanks for posting it.

Here here in regards to the .22 in hand! That's a nasty little round that most people disregard. Not many that are better when up close. And at the risk of sounding melodramatic, they don't make a mess.
 
I never understood not having a round in the chamber, ever. Why add in an extra step of racking a round with a chance of failure in a life threatening situation? Modern guns don't have a risk of drop firing, so having a round chambered shouldn't bother anyone.

When I have my Glock on my hip at home around the house I carry a round in the chamber.

Know the safest place to keep a loaded weapon in a house with kids? It's on your hip. Round in the chamber? Doesn't concern me because that gun isn't coming out of the holster unless someone needs to die.
 
Sdryx said:
I never understood not having a round in the chamber, evere. Why add in an extra step of racking a round with a chance of failure in a life threatening situation? Modern guns don't have a risk of drop firing.

When I have my Glock on my hip at home around the house I carry a round in the chamber.

Know the safest place to keep a loaded weapon in a house with kids? It's on your hip. Round in the chamber? Doesn't concern me because that gun isn't coming out of the holster unless someone needs to die.
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Gospel right there.

You know, I'd bet that a lot of "newer" gun owners, have yet to shake the coils of the mystique of the firearm; and are taught that you shouldn't carry chambered, because it might get turned against them. I'd say that's the on the fence gun owners.

You may be old enough to remember the argument that started the carrying a round chamber debate: Carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. The fear of people not used to handling a 1911 still is, frankly, kinda funny. I love 1911's, but I also love combat tupperware; and all of it is chambered if it's being carried, or in a home defense location. My Benellie M4 is fully chambered, and on the Mrs. side of the bed. Talk about making a fatal funnel for a bad guy.

My kid, she's so unimpressed by guns that it's ironically funny. She could care less because she's been raised around firearms. Now, that doesn't mean that I leave things out. Her friends are mystified when they come over and one happens to be out. Doesn't happen often; but she coaches em right out of that curiosity.

It's the hysteria and fear instilled by ignorant people who cause gun hysteria.
 
RowdyGrunt said:
Ah! gotcha!!
To that end, your question is interesting, because being a gun guy, I've never thought about a long gun as a double action or in that context. Maybe other gun bunnies have :)

Rifles and carbines, since they have a charging handle, are not really built in a way to be called double action. Once that charging handle is pulled, that boom stick is ready for a booger hook to press the bang button; unless the safety is on. Trigger pull on long guns tends to be very crisp with a short pull. The nuance is how much trigger pressure poundage is required to pull that trigger.

That was actually a thoughtful question. :) Thanks for posting it.

Here here in regards to the .22 in hand! That's a nasty little round that most people disregard. Not many that are better when up close. And at the risk of sounding melodramatic, they don't make a mess.
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A .22 in the pocket beats a .45 in the truck.
Albeit I've now switched to a blowback .380 instead of the ol' 0.22.

Your contract work at Glock looks interesting
Maybe you can consider doing some consultancy work for Israel arms manufacturers?


Sdryx said:
I never understood not having a round in the chamber, ever. Why add in an extra step of racking a round with a chance of failure in a life threatening situation? Modern guns don't have a risk of drop firing, so having a round chambered shouldn't bother anyone.

When I have my Glock on my hip at home around the house I carry a round in the chamber.

Know the safest place to keep a loaded weapon in a house with kids? It's on your hip. Round in the chamber? Doesn't concern me because that gun isn't coming out of the holster unless someone needs to die.
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Even my home-protection guns are always loaded
albeit decocked with the safety on (double action).


RowdyGrunt said:
Gospel right there.

You know, I'd bet that a lot of "newer" gun owners, have yet to shake the coils of the mystique of the firearm; and are taught that you shouldn't carry chambered, because it might get turned against them. I'd say that's the on the fence gun owners.

You may be old enough to remember the argument that started the carrying a round chamber debate: Carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. The fear of people not used to handling a 1911 still is, frankly, kinda funny. I love 1911's, but I also love combat tupperware; and all of it is chambered if it's being carried, or in a home defense location. My Benellie M4 is fully chambered, and on the Mrs. side of the bed. Talk about making a fatal funnel for a bad guy.

My kid, she's so unimpressed by guns that it's ironically funny. She could care less because she's been raised around firearms. Now, that doesn't mean that I leave things out. Her friends are mystified when they come over and one happens to be out. Doesn't happen often; but she coaches em right out of that curiosity.

It's the hysteria and fear instilled by ignorant people who cause gun hysteria.
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I wonder why the old wisdom of a 1911 cocked and loaded .45 got lost?

I'm curious if having an M4 with a chambered round all the time strains the hammer/pin spring?
 
master.on said:
A .22 in the pocket beats a .45 in the truck.
Albeit I've now switched to a blowback .380 instead of the ol' 0.22.

Your contract work at Glock looks interesting
Maybe you can consider doing some consultancy work for Israel arms manufacturers?



Even my home-protection guns are always loaded
albeit decocked with the safety on (double action).



I wonder why the old wisdom of a 1911 cocked and loaded .45 got lost?

I'm curious if having an M4 with a chambered round all the time strains the hammer/pin spring?
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Some people are simply spooked, or for whatever reason, wary of a cocked and locked .1911. I have to respect the ones that acknowledge that and choose not to carry it. Wise move to stay safe, I'm sure you'd agree. It's easy to f'up oneself if using a piece that one is not totally comfortable with it.

I would have to also agree with a .22 being a good truck gun. I'm old, crusty, and love the 1911 that I carry. My carry 1911 is probably my biggest splurge, in that it is the first truly, 100% custom made gun that I've not made for myself. It's a 4", made by the STI guys in Texas. I just love it. I'm blinded by that religion :-) But I'm also comfortable with it.

The home defense guns being cocked and locked: as long as you conduct routine maintenance, and function check them, there are no problems at all. You're probably similar in that you like tinkering and cleaning your tools just for the hell of it. I know I do.

Especially after I took some armorers courses from Sionic's and Glock. I'll tear em all apart, all the way to taking apart the trigger assembly; just to make sure I'm straight with the religion of firepower. :-) I call it church :-)

That Benelli... Yea, it's home defense, but it's also my 3 gun shotgun, and just f'ing fun to shoot. It cycles as fast as any of my AR's.
 
Sdryx said:
I never understood not having a round in the chamber, ever. Why add in an extra step of racking a round with a chance of failure in a life threatening situation? Modern guns don't have a risk of drop firing, so having a round chambered shouldn't bother anyone.

When I have my Glock on my hip at home around the house I carry a round in the chamber.

Know the safest place to keep a loaded weapon in a house with kids? It's on your hip. Round in the chamber? Doesn't concern me because that gun isn't coming out of the holster unless someone needs to die.
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Lol. Totally agree. If you arent going to carry it hot might as well carry a club.
 
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