Are you serious?
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Are you asking me why I don't use slin? I dont want to. Pretty simple. I can get close to 300 lbs test only and I feel like total shit being that size... giving myself a drug to make myself bigger than I want to be that could potentially kill me or give me diabetes borders on retardation in my mind... if getting so big is so important to people that they feel the need to do slin I could care less. Have at it.
GH is more likely to give you diabetes than slin, brofessor. And intra/post use of slin with high carbs would actually reduce the taxation on pancreas (less pancreas stress) in that processing window. So most of your fear there is misplaced.
As for killing yourself, got to be pretty dumb. Especially with pen device administration. Almost foolproof (what I use).
What I don't like about slin is it can make you fucking fat if you're lazy about diet and overeat carbs. I often feel more distended when using slin too.
Knowing is half the battle!
Not doing it is the whole battle... and I would love to see the studies where gh induced diabetes. Why could you possibly care if I do slin? Or why I don't? Fucking ridiculous insulin cheerleader lol. I am fairly certain I could get bigger than you on a trt dose regardless of what you ran- but keep trying to catch up to bigger guys at all costs.
Even if we ignore whatever is between you two, I have to agree that arguing against insulin being dangerous would go against our goal here which is harm reduction. I agree with the opinion "know" and not "no" to anything but publicly telling people that insulin is easy to handle when in reality maybe 1% of all the bodybuilders would ever even need it may be a wrong advice
Are you kidding bro? Longterm gh abuse (dose dependent) is well known to cause insulin insensitivity and eventually make someone type 2. It's well known. Happened to several competitors.
I don't believe anyone will have an issue using only 2-3iu/day max.
Recommending slin is like recommending DNP. Reckless perhaps. Does it work, fuck yes. I'm just here stating facts. Your info about slin causing diabetes is ass backwards. Like so many brofessors of broscience here at messo, you speak with a loud voice but are wrong. Meso is the graveyard and home of banned and unwashed masses. The cast aways. I've come here to die as well.
Depending on the slin. Lantus used for extended periods can cause it also
Still waiting for a cited medical study brohan. "Competitors got type 2 diabetes" is proof of nothing. They also ate excessively for decades and the effect of diet in the realm of diabetes creation is well documented. Well known indeed.
Anything that causes chronic insulin desensitization can push you to type 2. That includes tons of overeating and gh. Have you seriously not read anywhere about the dangers of high dose gh use longterm and it's effects on insulin sensitivity? It's common knowledge.
I'm not wasting my time finding a study. It would take you 20 minutes to find info on this phenomenon online.
Everyone here is a fucking genius, I forgot.
Moderate, cycled slin use will not give a normal person diabetes. Longterm gh use, at certain doses, can put some people into type 2. Simple facts, wizards. I stand by my point: your statement that using insulin causes diabetes is just misinformation.
Some other dipshit on here said if you blast Lantus longterm if will give you diabetuuuz? Well that's a red herring. No shit. We're talking normal hum log or hum R use. Nobody would advise taking long acting insulin all day everyday longterm. Not healthy, not effective for our goals. That's a sure way to add a bunch of VAT. So throw that argument approach out as it's a fucking use of a hypothetical to get a desired result.
During a heavy carb load, slin will actually reduce the load on your pancreas to produce insulin. The continued demands on pancreas to produce insulin chronically over and over is a gross oversimplification of what causes type 2. The pancreas can't keep up in those individuals. Insulin desensitization is bad.
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So no study... and some insulin does cause diabetes. So you lose. Dooooouuuuuuche
I read lots of things lots of places. I just don't believe everything I read, so.... yea. All great points. Keep up the good work- you are truly a savior not just here, but to the world as a whole. Truly.
Wow. You got my point.
If we had some members here that weren't retards, someone reputable would chime in and agree with me that you're more likely to get type 2 from chronic gh use than fast acting insulin use.
But we don't....it's a ship of fools. I'll still be your friend, Brutus. I love you.
But your statement that insulin use will "give you diabetes" is just misinformation for these young, impressionable, mouth breathing meatheads. I'm here to educate and correct. Sorry.
I have done it both on wake up, before bed and I have also split doses 3 times throughout the day. I have found doing a double dose every other day before bed netted the best results.
Why? Dunno. If I had a gun to my head I would say it's because your body just soaks in your gh dose all night- and since you get the biggest natural dump right as you fall asleep I would say your body figures that timing is best too.
But that would just be some shit I guessed. I pin before bed because gh makes me tired and I pin eod because I am lazy and it cuts down on sides every other day. It just so happens to work best but even if it didnt i would still probably do it that way.
I liked you more when you called me a genius can we go back
I personally hope everyone that reads this takes insulin pre workout and their protein shakers won't open... and they get locked in their car. Then they all die. Would it happen? No... but thinking about that stuff makes me happy- because people dying is generally funny, but stupid people dying? The stuff I jerk off to.
Just wanted to go on the record that i give zero fucks what anyone does. I don't do it because i assume i would get bigger- and I'm really not interested in being a mouth breather who can't look over his shoulder at this stage of my life.
I'm here to save the day.
Yep.
Although the risk of killing oneself is much higher with the fast acting slin.
It's a real nuisance to try with GH.
It's literally written down in leaflets.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2014/020604s078lbl.pdf
Section 5.2
So the meat of the conversation is my assumption that you are more likely to ruin your insulin response with insulin supplementation than using growth hormone. Which compound would you say would be more likely to walk away with permanent diabetic damage from? Since you are the leaflet ninja your guess will be more valuable.
Leaflet ninja is cool, I might start calling pharmacists like that because it's fairly descriptive.
In general, the data is lacking, but my guess would be strongly in favor of 'regular abuse of' GH being more likely culprit. There actually were cases of people who did not have DM who were prescribed insulin ( let's have a coke during this OGTT! ). If they didn't kill themselves before they figured it out they had no lasting glucose metabolism damage that I'd be aware of.
Yes, I am very serious.
I blame it on combination of nandro no ester and GH before bed... I can't prove it but, I think I had some serious spikes in IGF1 from experimenting with that. Maybe I'm just unlucky, I don't know.
I do know that it can be fixed... But I'm really not down with the folks at UMM cutting my upper jaw and moving it forward, then wiring my shit shut for however long. I've gotten used to it.. it's not noticeable to anyone but me but you'd def see if I sent you a before and after pic!
