CanadaHumanGrade
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From my point of view, if the advertised dose is over/under by more than 15-20% it would be a fail. That’s my opinion.
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From my point of view, if the advertised dose is over/under by more than 15-20% it would be a fail. That’s my opinion.
Sdryx
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So which is it then? 15 or 20% mislabel for you to resolve?
CanadaHumanGrade
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I am not completely understanding the point of that question, as I think the community is smart enough to choose what’s a fail or a pass. Say I choose a random #, and that random # is 20%. If my Trenbolone Enanthate that is advertised at 200mg/ml - 20% being 240mg over or 160mg at under, is anyone really going to be upset if the final result is say 244mg or 155mg? I highly doubt it.
So my answer is as I stated. 15-20% range.
When it comes to none Pharmacy Grade products, what I care about is that the product is made properly in a clean facility by people that know how to manufacturer hormones, packaged properly, contains the product advertised and as close to as to the dose advertised as possible. That’s the absolute best scenario for any product anyone can hope for that is not being made by Pharma Grade manufacturers.
I already know who my manufacturers are, and the guidelines they follow, hence why I’ve chosen Global/SYN/Pharma Tech to supplement my pharmacy grade products.
I’ve been around since August, and i’ve had a significant amount of orders from all 3 lines. I am sure if any of the lines were “shit” or “dirty” someone would of complained. Hell, when I first came on here, I had someone telling me my APOTEX LETROZOLE (which is pharma gradE) wasn’t doing its job. 3 weeks later and after doing bloodwork, the individual emailed me back apologizing.
I mean, no matter how good a product is, SOMEONE will always complain. But if a product is bad, it will be clearly obvious in the community within a couple of orders which is usually done in the time span of a few weeks.
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Sdryx
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Such a shitty answer. I stopped reading after your bullshit first paragraph.
So first you say 15% is enough for you to resolve. Now you are waffling backwards saying that 15% is not enough
.Get your fucking shit together and give us a fucking straight answer. Don't be a fucking dick about it. It's a fucking straightforward answer as far as NUMBERS go for reimbursement of a FAILED lab tested product.
We are dealing with numbers here. For fucks sake, give YOUR customers the number that they are dealing with. Don't tell them 15% now then tell them it's not enough later.
BEWARE!!!!!
Even if you choose a random number then at least that number exists.. while I agree that containing the proper ingredient is most important, from a quality standpoint if I order a product that is supposed to contain 200mg/ml and it comes back at 155mg/ml then yes I care.. that being said I personally believe that %15 is a fair number.. especially considering there will be an even greater effect on the higher mg/ products..
Sdryx
Member
As it stands right now this source will tell you to go fuck yourself if it’s dosed 16% off. Missing his cutoff which he waffles around on by a single percentage point!
And he will FUCK YOU OVER if it weren’t for us FORCING him to answer us.
BUYER BEWARE!!!!
CanadaHumanGrade
Subscriber
Has never ordered anything from me. Just a drama queen, hence why I was hesitant to respond to him in the first place.
It’s entertaining how all the individuals that seem to criticize me are those that have never conducted business with me.
It’s like those guys that go forums giving advice on how to use advanced GH/INSULIN protocols meanwhile they’ve never stepped on stage or even achieved a half decent physique.
Sdryx, while we’re at it, do you mind place pointing me to any other Canadian domestic sources on Meso, or hell anywhere else that has set a precise number of variance for their products and failing to meet that number results in an immediate refund or something of that nature?
Oh yea..no one....Please go disturb all their threads now.
Can’t believe the absolute lack of common sense in some people. If you’re going to barge in my section making demands, at least be able to refer to ONE source that has abided by such rule if you’re going to demand that I do so as well.
Last I checked, not only do I provide the highest amount of Pharmacy Grade products for the safety of my clients, I also go out of my way to obtain anything for them that I do not usually stock. In addition to that, I do my own due diligence on all UGL brands that I carry and conduct LabMax tests when I can to make sure all is good. If that’s not good enough, by all means, do not conduct business with me. PGA has more than exceed my growth expectation and I am not hurting for business in the least. I post frequently, because I like being proactive and receiving consistent feedback from those that I do business with - not because I am trying hard to get business.
There are lots of alternatives out there if the way I conduct my operation is not to your likings. Though if you think I am going to change the way I do business to satisfy one person, then you’re dreaming dude.
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Sdryx
Member
You like the taste of dick huh? Keep sucking this source off and ignoring my logical questions that have to do with YOUR money jerkoff.
Sdryx
Member
Glad to see you completely ignored the question and are not providing YOUR customers with information on what the cutoff is for product testing.
BUYER BEWARE! There is no cutoff! He won’t reimburse shit as you can clearly see him not wanting to answer a direct question of what number constitutes a failed number...
He doesn’t like logical questions asking for a number when testing provides actual numbers!
It’s a number bro. There is only one drama queen here and that’s the one who won’t answer what the number is.
I make my own shit. You sound retarded
Sdryx
Member
Source offered resolution of tested products not coming back dosed correctly. When asked what the cutoff is he refuses to answer.
I sound retarded for asking what the number is? You sound like you like dick sucking. Keep chugging bro. Keep chugging.
movingiron88
New Member
Yea, after that response I am out. I have been following this thread to see if you panned out. But @Sdryx was trying to clarify a vague answer. It will protect you and the customer from a dispute. He didnt just start shit. You gave a range when in terms of numbers it should be exact.
Your response to him is bullshit and you should really thicken up your skin. You are a source on an unpaid, unmoderated forum, you chose to come into this environment. You just made yourself look like shit for no reason.
CanadaHumanGrade
Subscriber
He got a vague answer because he’s asking a question which cannot receive a clear answer.
Hence why, I initally stated if anyone ever wants to do any testing, PM me.
There are so many factors.
1. Which company is testing the product?
2. Is the testing company legit/reliable?
3. Who will send the product?
4. Through which testing method will the product be tested? (Some companies clearly state that there is a 10% + or - marging of error.)
Point number 4 is EXACTLY why my answer was vague (15-20%). I work in the pharmaceuticals, and unfortunately I usually assume people have the same knowledge as I do, but I shouldn’t assume that because it’s wrong and they don’t.
With that being said, now I hope
It’s clear as to why I didn’t provide a concrete answer.
It’s sort of like doing bloodwork for Test, you can’t say taking 200mg test per week will yeild X number or the test is bad. You can set a range, but that range can EASILY vary by up to even 50% from person to person pending factors such as the analysis method of the lab to how well that person’s body metabolizes test.
With producy lab testing the variance is not extreme, but you can easily have 10-15% variance from lab to lab in terms of results.
So say my anavar is labeled 10mg, but it’s actually 12mg and the lab has a 10% margin of error and it comes back at 13mg - community would give me shit, meanwhile the prodct is well within its range.
I hope that makes sense and if anyone is interested in diving into this further feel free to PM me - but unfortunately there are not clear cut answers to testing.
JackC4
New Member
Wow these sources really try to dot thier i’s and cross their t’s before posting up on Meso these days. It’s been a long time since I popped in.
Sdryx
Member
Shut the fuck up.
I LIVE WITH A PHARMACIST.
You should know then that pharmacy grade is within 5%. And even THAT is damn near never happening.
So quit with your bullshit replies bro. 15% mislabeled gear that you won’t fix... Fuck that shit and your bullshit pharmacy.
onetwonine
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CanadaHumanGrade
Subscriber
Just going to disregard individuals like him moving forward. Why do I care if someone lives with a Pharmacist? That proves what? It’s like someone saying I know the law better than you, because my husband is a lawyer. Means absolutely nothing, and the fact that he believes that holds any value just proves how flawed his logic is.
I am not here to deceive anyone. Dude him self admits Pharmacy Grade products can have a 5% variance, but then is surprised if UGL is within 15-20%?
I am not gonna sit here and lie and say a UGL is gonna be within 5% of their label claim all the time, because any single UGL that makes that claim is 100% bullshitting their clients, just based on basic common sense. Every UGL is susceptible to human error, different quality of raws from batch to batch, etc etc - that will certainly cause some variance in dose from batch to batch.
Most of the more successful UGLS that I know practice overdosing most products by 5-10% and those are the ones I prefer to work with. That 5-10% usually helps combat 3 things.
1. If a batch of raws is not 99% pure, it will help make up for that.
2. If there is some API (Active pharmaceutical ingredient) lost/degraded due to whatever reasons while manufacturing.
3. Any human error while manufacturing.
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Sydrx, as I previously mentioned. If you don’t like the way I conduct myself, that’s TOTALLY fine. I really do not care. It’s not like I am asking you or anyone to do business with me. I conduct myself that way I feel is best and whoever finds me and my services appealing will do business with me and those that don’t will not. That’s 100% okay.
You’re not a client of mine. If a client of mine has an issue with me, I will address it, fix it and make them happy. Clearly there has been no issues. So I don’t really even understand that entire objective of this argument. It just seems to be revolving around you not liking the way I present myself, and I really could really careless. So....move on with your life.
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movingiron88
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What a shame. Another source that thinks we need them and we need to kiss their ass. He is a dime a dozen.
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