6 weeks on Enanthate isn’t long enough to reach stable blood levels....
MESO-Rx
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Why the aversion of tren for bulking
- Thread starter Jankauskas
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That simply isn’t true you don’t need to be super saturated for Tren to work the way I am saying. We are not looking for the typical tren ace results. We are looking to bulk. This is why few know how to bulk on tren correctly. Most are stuck in the dogma of high tren and running it long as a main compound and running ace which is garbage for most to bulk on. You get enough tren to use for this method in the first shot of say 100mg of E or X. Hmm ever wonder why parabolan came in 76mg Amps? Obviously if we were going on a full blown tren cycle you would want to run longer. But that doesn’t work for bulking on most people. The question was bulking not running tren like every other moron
superbane
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Ive done as low as 225mg a week and have went up as high as 475mg a week with Tren Ace.
I am always hungry. Always. Too hungry. For everything. Eat something and I’m hungry again shortly thereafter.
It reminds me of how people “describe” EQ on forums, that is the “feeling” I have. Hungry.
On the other hand test has always been equal to Tren or higher than (2:1).
Just something to keep in mind, you won’t know until you try.
Not everyone gets appetite suppression.
I am always hungry. Always. Too hungry. For everything. Eat something and I’m hungry again shortly thereafter.
It reminds me of how people “describe” EQ on forums, that is the “feeling” I have. Hungry.
On the other hand test has always been equal to Tren or higher than (2:1).
Just something to keep in mind, you won’t know until you try.
Not everyone gets appetite suppression.
Test_Subject
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It negatively affects many people's appetites. You can't grow if you can't eat.
I'm the same. I am in the kitchen 24/7 throwing random food down. Only issue is its hard to avoid bad food/junk so it's a double edged sword. Takes more discipline.
On previous discussion Enan and Hex esters need time to build and don't lend well to a short cycle or sub cycle period. Otherwise sure, add in 200-300mg.
AlwaysHungry
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Ravenous appetite on tren a
Lol, I might be mistaken, but given the context, I believe I was just called a moron.
OP, take whoever’s advice you want. That’s what this forum is for.
I’m pretty skeptical of parabolan being sold in 76mg amps due to bodybuilding needs tho....but who am I. I just prefer stable blood levels to control sides and understand how compounds effect me..
OP, take whoever’s advice you want. That’s what this forum is for.
I’m pretty skeptical of parabolan being sold in 76mg amps due to bodybuilding needs tho....but who am I. I just prefer stable blood levels to control sides and understand how compounds effect me..
tengtren
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A good bodybuilder
Jankauskas
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I believe I will try test and eq next, with some npp added in week 9 (16 weeks). Like I said, I built my physique on tren, the only time I didn’t use it were my first 3 cycles (test 500, test 500, test 500 and deca 400), so I’m going to try a different approach.
Thanks for your contribution.
Didnt mean the moron thing towards you lol my point was that in most people the standard "run tren ace at 500 mg ect and you dont have blood saturation on E at 6 weeks yada yada" is the same recycled tren protocol that some cant bulk on. Obviously Parabolan and most steroids were not designed for BB. But before Tren ace was in every gym Parabolin was being used at low dose sparingly by advanced pro bb's and power lifters. For some reason ace just eats up the calories prob due to the fast action of it. IMO one really needs to know their body before experimenting with tren in any ester.
Para was 1.5ml at 76mg total (probably only 2/3rd tren less the ester). It was used by BBers as you say at moderate dosages and other than using a long ester for a short period, short ester being the context of OP and this thread, your suggestion makes sense. I actually considered putting in 200-300mg of Tren enanthate into my current 12-16 week cycle for nutrient partitioning effects, appetite increase...for me anyway, and CNS/strength boost (other compounds are test, deca, drol and maybe winny at the end - I subbed Masteron E in there instead). Decision is I'd rather limit any/all tren use and I'm using it this summer so save for now.
Having lived in the 90s though part of the reason Para was used like this was expense and very limited availability - often counterfeit. Negma didn't exactly mass produce this in France and production was already winding down, finally ending in the late 1990s. I never used finejet the vet acetate variant but mid 90s saw finaplix pellets come out which provided the first guaranteed real access to tren. It's funny - I used it early on via injection and lots of seasoned guys would shit on it because people would eat it. I recall having numerous conversations where I basically said, "You have no idea what you are talking about, that shit is strong as all hell and produces changes daily and weekly. Try properly injecting it and you'll change your opinion in 2 weeks." The rest is history. Not that I'm any kind of authority but that was my experience.
Holidaypay
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I feel like on tren I can't eat enough food I gain a little but not as much as other things even after I shed the water they give me more
Tren is a Hell of a drug, Almost like opening The Lament Configuration in HellRaiser. To some a Demon to others a angel.
This is my point...if you want only a few weeks of tren as a boost, to overcome a plateau, to polish off a cut, whatever, there’s no reason NOT to use Ace for those weeks to reach steady state of whatever level you’re after. Whether it’s 150mg or 1g. Enanthate is appropriate for long runs, IMO, and only for guys who know Tren doesn’t screw them up. Why slowly build your blood levels just to abruptly cut them?
superbane
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You shouldn’t even feel the need to explain simple logic to someone who refuses to listen.
We all know enanthate isn’t really even starting to shine and do it’s thing until about week 4 or 5.
Just because someone is already running long ester of a different compound doesn’t mean they will reach saturation earlier with another compound. (The subtle implications I was getting from another post in this thread).
Anybody running a long ester for a short cycle or a brief part of the cycle is an idiot. Period.
That’s exactly what shorts are for. Basic steroid 101. No sense in trying to convince someone who uses logic as if they learned everything from gh15 & friends.
These guys bring up Hex as if they were truly there when pros were running it. They have no clue at all what was being done nor for how long.
Let’s think about all of this logically and not change facts to suit ones needs.
Simply put if you want mild effects of Tren for 6 weeks then pin 50mg or 75mg of Ace three times a week. Easy. Done.
fldoms980
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It's doable but personally I never saw the point in using a more expensive compound, to have to eat a shit ton more to gain weight when I could just run deca or anadrol and have better results, save money and not have to stuff myself all day. Just my opinion on it.
You cannot grow without feeding MPS and caloric needs....IE continually eating over maintenance...the drugs don’t change that.
Drugs change your maintenance level. Bulking on 500 mg tren takes significantly more calories than bulking on 500 mg nandrolone.
fldoms980
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Yes that's my point but Trenbolone, especially at higher doses raises metabolism thus making it harder to reach said caloric needs. I didn't mean to make it sound like you could get big on a bulking compound without eating enough, just that you wont need to overfeed quite as much with one.
I think this is a common misconception about tren.
I’ve seen nothing scientific identifying it as in any was impacting metabolism, daily caloric needs, etc.
Does have some partitioning effect, IE utilizing nutrients more efficiently, but that bit of leanness you get there isn’t becuase of an increased caloric need. You CAN recomp a bit when bulking without sacrificing progress.
I’ve seen nothing scientific identifying it as in any was impacting metabolism, daily caloric needs, etc.
Does have some partitioning effect, IE utilizing nutrients more efficiently, but that bit of leanness you get there isn’t becuase of an increased caloric need. You CAN recomp a bit when bulking without sacrificing progress.
