The ole man
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So a drug that would regenerate hyaline cartilage would be a miracle drug in itself? Stem cell injections might not be able to help with further research?
Any thoughts?
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There's several studies on the subject but we are a longgg way from finding a local cure for Degenerative Joint Disease.
For instance one such study required (in addition to several other criteria) participants to be completely NON-weight bearing for SIX months or the stem cells would not stick, and "success" was claimed at several MICRONS of patchy regeneration.
Now that type of success is paltry knowing the thickness of KNEE and HIP HC averages one half a cm at age 21.
JIM
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Believe me I understand your pursuit and the pursuit of many on PED forums BUT we must acknowledge, exclusive of lifestyle changes, ALL of that which is gained thru the use of PEDs will be lost sooner of later upon discontinuation.
Unfortunately the same can not be said of PED complications bc while the majority are reversible some are not, and it's important to recognize the difference IMO.
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The ole man
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I see. Very interesting. If I had a chance to redo life, I would want to work in a lab. I know that it’s probably very monotonous , but I’m just kinda amazed with biology.
Science in general.
It’s amazing how a cell can carry all that information from birth.
The ole man
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That’s why I’m trying to maybe get an edge on the strength , and allowing my diet to do the rebuilding.
Do you see a problem with running trt doses on into my senior years, if I just kept to that?
Here's one of the more recent evidence based stem cell research studies.
Because of the cost for knee replacement surgery approximates 50K, no question about it as our population ages and so to the frequency of Osteoarthritis, the focus on NON-OPERATIVE mmanagement will continue to push stem cell, and other forms of minimally invasive and MUCH less expensive (we hope) research.
That being said based upon this study alone we still have a way to go, no less than ten years IMO, unless an unforeseen breakthrough occurs.
JIM
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I know this may be a hard pill to swallow for the majority on PED forums because although AAS do enhance collagen migration from bone marrow stores the evidence to date seems to indicate AAS are anything but good for joint repair.
The latter IS something that simply takes time and restraint by avoiding those events that resulted in joint tissue damage. Yea I know but Doc my muscles are ready ..... but the connections are NOT ..... is a highway to joint injury.
jim
Keep us posted on how the sust does when you switch
The ole man
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No problem.
I’m looking forward to it.
Even tho I still haven’t even started transferring bitcoins around my wallets, which isn’t that big of deal.
The ole man
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I had to get a crown today, so I skipped my dbol/winny today.
I have just a little tightness in my disc upper spine, actually right where I had my herniated disc in 2012.
I have a orthopedic pillow and after a good nights sleep, I was feeling better.
I can tell it will cause problems moving forward. Fuck you Father Time!
So that was another reason why I took a day off.
But I’m gonna finish the week out tho.
I love the dbol/winny stack tho while cutting carbs, if I wasn’t over the damn hill, and could handle winstrol side effects of dry spinal discs, which is the only side I feel, this shit is awesome. Strength thru the roof, recovery between sets, phenomenal. Cutting my abs in nicely, as well as making me more vascular. And lastly, striated upper pecs slightly visible. Day 9 of my second dbol run this blast.
I have just a little tightness in my disc upper spine, actually right where I had my herniated disc in 2012.
I have a orthopedic pillow and after a good nights sleep, I was feeling better.
I can tell it will cause problems moving forward. Fuck you Father Time!
So that was another reason why I took a day off.
But I’m gonna finish the week out tho.
I love the dbol/winny stack tho while cutting carbs, if I wasn’t over the damn hill, and could handle winstrol side effects of dry spinal discs, which is the only side I feel, this shit is awesome. Strength thru the roof, recovery between sets, phenomenal. Cutting my abs in nicely, as well as making me more vascular. And lastly, striated upper pecs slightly visible. Day 9 of my second dbol run this blast.
The ole man
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So just a little update, body is feeling great. Been back on the dbol/winny stack 11 days, with the only issue being tightness in my upper spine/disc area Sun night.
I took Mon dose off, since I had dentist appointment. I also Sun night started 4000mg of taurine.
Since then I’ve not felt any stiffness in that area. Had great workouts both Tuesday and Today.
Keeping carbs low and all before noon.
Adex is at .5 e3d
No sides at all. Great energy, no bloat, great digestion, excellent pumps, and a desire to get up and workout.
My diet is banging as I’ve found, that flipping breakfast and supper is the key to building muscle and staying toned.
Supper every night is scrambled eggs in coconut oil with kimchi, salmon, or beef, and of course, fresh pineapple.
Hope everyone is doing good.
I took Mon dose off, since I had dentist appointment. I also Sun night started 4000mg of taurine.
Since then I’ve not felt any stiffness in that area. Had great workouts both Tuesday and Today.
Keeping carbs low and all before noon.
Adex is at .5 e3d
No sides at all. Great energy, no bloat, great digestion, excellent pumps, and a desire to get up and workout.
My diet is banging as I’ve found, that flipping breakfast and supper is the key to building muscle and staying toned.
Supper every night is scrambled eggs in coconut oil with kimchi, salmon, or beef, and of course, fresh pineapple.
Hope everyone is doing good.
Have you ever run NPP? I ran my first cycle of it this winter. I have chronic lower back issues, joint issues (knees mostly) from abuse my body went through during my military years. I will tell you that for me anyway, the npp lubed my joints (or masked the pain) so well, and gave me pretty huge gains of size and strength that I didn’t wanna come off. Others have seen similar benefits and some even love it so much they are doing low dose npp (100/week) while on trt dose cruise just for joints. I’m considering it myself but I don’t know if that will screw up how my body reacts to it when I blast npp again. Also wondering if it counteracts the joint issues winny can cause. Npp though, I forget whoever put me onto it in this forum somewhere, I owe him a beer.
The ole man
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Ya I’ve been recommended that a few times. And I might get some for my cruise like you stated, to run along with my Sust.
The ole man
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I feel like the winny is counter acting the dbol, and it’s turned into some fat loss.
I appreciate your experience but the evidence to date has failed to reveal
AAS support joint health, and no where is this more clear than Nandrolone and FDA approved AAS for over 50 years.
I suspect (but have NO objective evidence) the “benefit” some experience
may be the result of E-2 mediated joint capsule distention or Joint bloat.
That being said it’s important to avoid equating diminished pain with joint healing per se bc although a variety of drugs, from NSAID to Narcs, may diminish joint symptomatology if the inflammation/damage continues unabated the end result is a worsening of the underlying condition.
As one classic example, intra-articulate glucocorticoids can result in marked pain reduction in patients with established osteoarthritis BUT we reserve this form of therapy for folk with end stage disease
bc it SOFTENS cartilage and likely accelerates the joint damage in the long term.
Bottom line if your JOINTS hurt after a wo lay off and allow hearing to occur,
ask any Pro BB pitcher
JIM
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The ole man
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U asked this last time and just about the same timeframe. My answer then was, I couldn’t tell. Well I can tell this time. And that appetite keeps asking for carbs, and I’m trying to hold it back.
I’ve allowed the carbs to come up some but ive kept my weight from from moving a lot. I’m up just a couple of pounds, and not any bloat. Looks leaner and better than last go around.
I had a lil acid reflux today but that was after a huge chicken/tuna salad sandwich on big bun.
That’s the first bread I’ve ate in weeks!
It was like I was on meth from that point forward lol. Had a good day at work!
Today was supposed to be my end of 2 week run, then wait 2 weeks and repeat.
But I think I might just finish this out right now. Adding the winny seems to have been a plus so far. I just got to control these cravings and keep adding good food.
Like I said earlier, had a great day, and feeling good. Gonna ride this out and then finish out the cycle, move on to my cruise.
The ole man
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On a diff subject tho.
Pip.
So my last cycle, after the first few puns the pip was nothing much, if any.
This cycle diff vendor same test e 300, I get pip from every pin accept for 1, which resulted in no pip.
Now wtf?
It’s got to be me!
So the last couple pins, I made triple sure that I followed the same process.
I use the pin that I did my last pin with, just the point, to draw, then replace with a brand new tip, and then pin. I keep everything in sealed Tupperware.
Do you think reusing my tip from last pin to draw with is bad technique?
Let me ask another question? Do most ppl just draw with the tip they plan to pin with?
I can’t understand how one spot i could get no pip, but hurt like a bitch, anywhere else.
Pip.
So my last cycle, after the first few puns the pip was nothing much, if any.
This cycle diff vendor same test e 300, I get pip from every pin accept for 1, which resulted in no pip.
Now wtf?
It’s got to be me!
So the last couple pins, I made triple sure that I followed the same process.
I use the pin that I did my last pin with, just the point, to draw, then replace with a brand new tip, and then pin. I keep everything in sealed Tupperware.
Do you think reusing my tip from last pin to draw with is bad technique?
Let me ask another question? Do most ppl just draw with the tip they plan to pin with?
I can’t understand how one spot i could get no pip, but hurt like a bitch, anywhere else.
Worf
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I don’t reuse needles at all ever. Way to cheap to be fuckin around and get an abscess. Most like to draw with a large size like 21-23 and swap the tip for something smaller like 25 or 27. You can buy a box of 100 23gax1.5” with 3cc barrel and a box of 25gax1” tip on amazon for $40 or so.
If im not doing much oil I use a 27 for draw and injection. 27s are sharp and break skin easy.
If im not doing much oil I use a 27 for draw and injection. 27s are sharp and break skin easy.
Worf
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Some times Test E has a bite to it depends on the brewer. Especially over 250 mg/ml. Also depends on carrier oil. Can always cut it with sterile GSO
The ole man
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I’ve never cut anything having to do with gear. I know what you mean, but not the process.
I see you said STERILE oil. Here in a few i google so I kinda know what your talking about.
