First cycle pip

[Eoghan]

Hello looking for some advice, started first cycle took first shot of test E on Tuesday. 1cc in glute shot went fine no pain no blood. Minor pip for 2 days after nothing to serious. Took second pin in quad on Friday, and today Sunday I feel like I got hit with a golf club..... Is this normal for first cycle/virgin muscle. Using 25g 1 inch for injections

 

[ickyrica]

Redness or hot to the touch?

If not it's prob just virgin muscle. Thighs can be tough for some people.

 

[Eoghan]

Redness or hot to the touch?

If not it's prob just virgin muscle. Thighs can be tough for some people.

No red nor hot just puuuure sore hahaha

 

[T&H]

I wouldn't worry just yet,like ickyrica said it's normal for virgin muscle. Quads can definitely be a problem for some people. Keep an eye on it the next few days.

 

[Waduhek]

My first pin ever in the quad was terrible, for more than a week my whole upper leg was completely red, swollen and hard, insane pain, to the point I thought I was gonna die from infection. If I survived that shit, I think you'll most likely be fine lmao.

 

[Eoghan]

My first pin ever in the quad was terrible, for more than a week my whole upper leg was completely red, swollen and hard, insane pain, to the point I thought I was gonna die from infection. If I survived that shit, I think you'll most likely be fine lmao.

Lol sounds rough. No Redness or swelling and shot was 2 days ago now so doubt there's infection. I go to Monday and Thursday injections tomorrow. So going to go back to glute. Should I go to glute I have already pinned to avoid pip or to my left side with hasn't been pinned yet.

 

[T&H]

Lol sounds rough. No Redness or swelling and shot was 2 days ago now so doubt there's infection. I go to Monday and Thursday injections tomorrow. So going to go back to glute. Should I go to glute I have already pinned to avoid pip or to my left side with hasn't been pinned yet.

Since glutes are going to be a primary site, hit the other glute to get the virgin pip out of the way. Also consider delts, they're my favorite site and pretty easy.

 

[Btcowboy]

Since glutes are going to be a primary site, hit the other glute to get the virgin pip out of the way. Also consider delts, they're my favorite site and pretty easy.

I am delts and quads.. quads do come with some issues though lol.

No Redness or swelling and shot was 2 days ago now so doubt there's infection.

PIP is generally from time of pin to a few days unless bad PIP it could be longer. Infection usually takes a few days to set in not right away.

 

[Eoghan]

I am delts and quads.. quads do come with some issues though lol.


PIP is generally from time of pin to a few days unless bad PIP it could be longer. Infection usually takes a few days to set in not right away.

Quad is a hell of a lot better today. Some discomfort deadlifting but not the end of the world. Pinned left glute today. Again all went smooth. Massaged the muscle heated the oil injected slowly. So hopefully pip is nowhere near as bad. Right glute first time wasn't terrible

 

[Btcowboy]

Quad is a hell of a lot better today. Some discomfort deadlifting but not the end of the world. Pinned left glute today. Again all went smooth. Massaged the muscle heated the oil injected slowly. So hopefully pip is nowhere near as bad. Right glute first time wasn't terrible

Quads can be rough for some... i dont mind them even though I do have issues once in a while. Shit my first blast was 16 weeks of 2x a week quad pins.

 

[Eoghan]

Quads can be rough for some... i dont mind them even though I do have issues once in a while. Shit my first blast was 16 weeks of 2x a week quad pins.

I must be some because that was ridiculous pain. From an injection like. While I understand what can contribute to pip. What is it in regards to what is actually happening to the muscle. Is in inflammation from the actual needle or the substance? Or a mixer or both

 

[Btcowboy]

I must be some because that was ridiculous pain. From an injection like. While I understand what can contribute to pip. What is it in regards to what is actually happening to the muscle. Is in inflammation from the actual needle or the substance? Or a mixer or both

It can be any or all of that..
Virgin muscle, too much needle movement ester issues, etc. You have to remember as well your introducing a foreign substance into the muscle as well any slight movement is doing little micro slices in the muscle.

As mentioned i have pinned quads lots with some issue time to time. I am one of the guys that always gets some pip regardless where i pin. For me the determining factor for pip severity is technique, did i get too close to a nerve, did I have to reposition and pin twice, did I move the needle too much, did i nick a vein, or did i inject too fast..

My suggestion try different sites, expect pip, dont give up on a location until you have confirmed after multiple pins that you just cant pin there. Learn what's there under the skin and where it is and adjust accordingly.

 

[Eoghan]

It can be any or all of that..
Virgin muscle, too much needle movement ester issues, etc. You have to remember as well your introducing a foreign substance into the muscle as well any slight movement is doing little micro slices in the muscle.

As mentioned i have pinned quads lots with some issue time to time. I am one of the guys that always gets some pip regardless where i pin. For me the determining factor for pip severity is technique, did i get too close to a nerve, did I have to reposition and pin twice, did I move the needle too much, did i nick a vein, or did i inject too fast..

My suggestion try different sites, expect pip, dont give up on a location until you have confirmed after multiple pins that you just cant pin there. Learn what's there under the skin and where it is and adjust accordingly.

Would pip be relative to the size of the muscle. Like say pinning delts right. The muscle being smaller and pip being inflammation would it be more tolerable or being that the muscle is smaller would it be more intense. I feel like the quad was only say bad because the muscle is so long and in day to day activity it does so much.

 

[Btcowboy]

Would pip be relative to the size of the muscle. Like say pinning delts right. The muscle being smaller and pip being inflammation would it be more tolerable or being that the muscle is smaller would it be more intense. I feel like the quad was only say bad because the muscle is so long and in day to day activity it does so much.

I cant really answer that other than to speculate. I do however think it may be less noticeable due to using less than you use your legs.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Would pip be relative to the size of the muscle. Like say pinning delts right. The muscle being smaller and pip being inflammation would it be more tolerable or being that the muscle is smaller would it be more intense. I feel like the quad was only say bad because the muscle is so long and in day to day activity it does so much.

It's going to be differe t for everyone.
Lots of people HATE quads.
I fucking love quads
Zero PIP or stiffness, I'll blast 3ml in each quad 1x weekly with no issues at all.

Most guys love shoulders, some guys cant handle them at all.

It's a very individual thing.
I typically pin around 1.5ISH ML in delts and get zero pip.
My bros delt shots are hell.

I dont take Glute well... which is everyone elses go to spot!

You're just going to have to experiment with locations and quantities.
Also with Esters.
E gives me minor Pip, Cyp is smooth like butter.

My next experiment is to see if my quads can handle 4ml at a time.
Would save me some trouble lol

 

[Eoghan]

It's going to be differe t for everyone.
Lots of people HATE quads.
I fucking love quads
Zero PIP or stiffness, I'll blast 3ml in each quad 1x weekly with no issues at all.

Most guys love shoulders, some guys cant handle them at all.

It's a very individual thing.
I typically pin around 1.5ISH ML in delts and get zero pip.
My bros delt shots are hell.

I dont take Glute well... which is everyone elses go to spot!

You're just going to have to experiment with locations and quantities.
Also with Esters.
E gives me minor Pip, Cyp is smooth like butter.

My next experiment is to see if my quads can handle 4ml at a time.
Would save me some trouble lol

Lol 4ml that's a substantial amount, I think I'd cry to be honest

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Lol 4ml that's a substantial amount, I think I'd cry to be honest

You'll get used to it..

Honestly
My first time with Test E at 1ml I could barely walk.

MInjust tried 1ml Test Cyp with 2Ml DHB quad shot.

Smooth, and DHB is supposed to have lots of PIP.

There are a few things that matter.

How you react to an Ester.
How you react to a carrier oil.
MCT is my shit, I get PIP with everything else...

Also, more guys typically get PIP with TestE than with Cyp... food for thought, try some shit out!
Experiment and have some fun with it.

Took me a LONG time to figure out what I'm okay with...
And I havnt even tried every compound yet..

I'm doing my first Tren run soon.. I respond to everything well.... so I could be great.

OR I could have massive PIP and cheat on my wife with 2 trannies.
Time will tell

 

[Eoghan]

You'll get used to it..

Honestly
My first time with Test E at 1ml I could barely walk.

MInjust tried 1ml Test Cyp with 2Ml DHB quad shot.

Smooth, and DHB is supposed to have lots of PIP.

There are a few things that matter.

How you react to an Ester.
How you react to a carrier oil.
MCT is my shit, I get PIP with everything else...

Also, more guys typically get PIP with TestE than with Cyp... food for thought, try some shit out!
Experiment and have some fun with it.

Took me a LONG time to figure out what I'm okay with...
And I havnt even tried every compound yet..

I'm doing my first Tren run soon.. I respond to everything well.... so I could be great.

OR I could have massive PIP and cheat on my wife with 2 trannies.
Time will tell

That escalated quickly

 

[Silentlemon1011]

That escalated quickly

It always does with Tren

 

[Eoghan]

Thanks for all the solid advice anyway lads