Real Anavar Impossible to Find?

[janoshik]

This is just my .02.... cialis for example. I’ve never tried a ugl, Indian pharma, or 98%+ raws that have lived up to being as strong as Lilly Cialis.

also the same with Anadrol. 50mg of raws for whatever reason is just not like 50mg of pharma grade.

I believe what it comes down to is the fillers and binders used by big pharma companies that help us to better absorb the compounds and in return make them “stronger”

You beat me to it. I can tell hands down nothing comes close in terms of purity and strength when it comes to pharma grade. Regardless if both have same concentration. Of course, you just have to try it for yourself to become an absolute believer.

Possible reasons:
1) For example take sildenafil citrate. Pharma viagra contains like 130 mg sildenafil citrate, which is equivalent of 100 mg sildenafil. On the other hand, UG viagra is 100 mg sildenafil citrate, because frankly, most of the people who manufacture UG goods don't realize the weight of the 'citrate' is discounted for in pharmaceutical goods.

2) Shitty manufacture of pills. Crumbling pills is bad look even for UGLs, so what do they do? They crank the fuck up on pressure and manufacture pills with consistency of diamond coated steel. How well can some of those absorb? Hell, I've tested some pills that I couldn't crush with mortar and pestle no matter how hard I tried and that wouldn't dissolve by themselves at all.

3) Placebo effect is very real.

this.

Primo was always know as a highly faked steroid when I first got into this lifestyle, but after more than it's fair share of testing (across multiple labs) primo turns out to be dosed at a highly accurate level and rarely, if ever, faked.

Broscience, if that's your name or what you spout you can suck a dick.

Primo is a highly faked steroid, at the very least relatively (and well, absolutely it's hard to tell, as there are no real guidelines for evaluating that )

What you are doing is not taking two massive biases into account.

Good results are much more likely to be published AND independent testing projects, which publish all results without bias, are biased in their choices of samples tested.

While I strongly disagree with the premise of this thread, that "real" anavar (or whatever) is impossible to find, I strongly believe you are wrong in your assessment of the situation.

eg. most ( > 50% ) of the "pharma bayer primo" i've tested contained no methenolone at all.

 

[ickyrica]

independent testing projects, which publish all results without bias, are biased in their choices of samples tested.

admittedly, I am a creature of habit (meso). My lab testing results generally just come from anaboliclab, which I have no direct knowledge of it as an organization internally. Just what's publicised.

Let me ask you this, what about non-pharma brands? Just regular old ugl brands, are they faked as well when you test them? You mentioned pharma bayer, that's why I ask

 

[janoshik]

admittedly, I am a creature of habit (meso). My lab testing results generally just come from anaboliclab, which I have no direct knowledge of it as an organization internally. Just what's publicised.

Let me ask you this, what about non-pharma brands? Just regular old ugl brands, are they faked as well when you test them? You mentioned pharma bayer, that's why I ask

I've figured as much and that's why I mentioned their bias as well - AL tests mostly well known and established brands, where the likelihood of problems is much lower than with brands that are ... not as established. I think we can both agree on that.

About UGL Primo, and this is just a wild guess, but I'd say 8-9/10 test as labelled or within 15% of label claim. However, my biggest customers are producers - therefore the likelihood of them sending me an intentionally bunk sample is very low... That is just another bias.

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Here is what scares me - there is one guy, whom I won't name and he doesn't do his business here, who owns an online business and he got me 10-15 samples of stuff that's sold in gyms in his area... He asked his friends to get some and send it to him, then to me.

All brands I have never, nor anybody here, ever heard... There was literally not a single sample that tested well. Not a single one, not even close. If they even contained anything it was random test esters in random (and low) dosages.

 

[Norse13]

This is just my .02.... cialis for example. I’ve never tried a ugl, Indian pharma, or 98%+ raws that have lived up to being as strong as Lilly Cialis.

also the same with Anadrol. 50mg of raws for whatever reason is just not like 50mg of pharma grade.

I believe what it comes down to is the fillers and binders used by big pharma companies that help us to better absorb the compounds and in return make them “stronger”

Where I live, Lilly Cialis and generic Tadalafil is sold over the counter, no prescription. I can't tell the difference between Lilly and Indian generics. I have even bought dirt cheap Indian generics on holiday in East Africa and they've worked just as well as Lilly.
Just going by my feelz, which may not be very accurate...
Pharmacy pricing $37 for a 4-pack of Lilly or $5 for generics, I'll take generics any time...

 

[ickyrica]

Here is what scares me - there is one guy, whom I won't name and he doesn't do his business here, who owns an online business and he got me 10-15 samples of stuff that's sold in gyms in his area... He asked his friends to get some and send it to him, then to me.

All brands I have never, nor anybody here, ever heard... There was literally not a single sample that tested well. Not a single one, not even close. If they even contained anything it was random test esters in random (and low) dosages.

foul mother fuckers...

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I've figured as much and that's why I mentioned their bias as well - AL tests mostly well known and established brands, where the likelihood of problems is much lower than with brands that are ... not as established. I think we can both agree on that.

About UGL Primo, and this is just a wild guess, but I'd say 8-9/10 test as labelled or within 15% of label claim. However, my biggest customers are producers - therefore the likelihood of them sending me an intentionally bunk sample is very low... That is just another bias.

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Here is what scares me - there is one guy, whom I won't name and he doesn't do his business here, who owns an online business and he got me 10-15 samples of stuff that's sold in gyms in his area... He asked his friends to get some and send it to him, then to me.

All brands I have never, nor anybody here, ever heard... There was literally not a single sample that tested well. Not a single one, not even close. If they even contained anything it was random test esters in random (and low) dosages.

Interesting

Buying from a gym bro is a terrible idea.

I'm not surprised by this outcome.

 

[Jswole220]

Do you really think the fillers and binders make a difference, when it is more than likely generic MCC? It’s not like they’re using high end binders and fillers. And following that logic, what if you’re making your own liquid orals and not using a binder/filler? Then that should actually make it even stronger and more readily absorbed.

Yes I firmly believe it. Do you have a better explanation? I’m obviously not the only one who feels this way. If so many people feel so strongly about the same subject their has to be something to it

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Yes I firmly believe it. Do you have a better explanation? I’m obviously not the only one who feels this way. If so many people feel so strongly about the same subject their has to be something to it

HPLC testing doesnt lie.

If a Pharma test E contains 248 Mg/Ml of goodness, and a UGL contains the same, they are the same.
Same with Var, Drol etc.
If it had a different molecular weight and was a different compound.... the testing would show it, but it cant, because it's the same.

Sure, there is a certain comfort to running Pharma, but a GOOD and tested UGL (Tested by members, not themselves only... like @janoshik said... they arent going to send crap gear to him for testing, they will send their best)

it is, in effect, the same gear.

 

[Jswole220]

HPLC testing doesnt lie.

If a Pharma test E contains 248 Mg/Ml of goodness, and a UGL contains the same, they are the same.
Same with Var, Drol etc.
If it had a different molecular weight and was a different compound.... the testing would show it, but it cant, because it's the same.

Sure, there is a certain comfort to running Pharma, but a GOOD and tested UGL (Tested by members, not themselves only... like @janoshik said... they arent going to send crap gear to him for testing, they will send their best)

it is, in effect, the same gear.

Honestly I only ever notice a difference with orals. I prefer ugl test any day. Why would I pay close to $100 for pharma test when I can pay $30 for test that’s hplc tested and brewed with a carrier oil I prefer. I think Jano just brought up some really good points with orals. A lot are pressed way to hard and we don’t absorb them for shit. Also the whole citrate thing which I’m sure 75% of people here if not higher had no clue about

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Honestly I only ever notice a difference with orals. I prefer ugl test any day. Why would I pay close to $100 for pharma test when I can pay $30 for test that’s hplc tested and brewed with a carrier oil I prefer. I think Jano just brought up some really good points with orals. A lot are pressed way to hard and we don’t absorb them for shit. Also the whole citrate thing which I’m sure 75% of people here if not higher had no clue about

Agreed,
I've had some UGL orals tast I can barely cut lol.

I know that I wasnt aware of the citrate thing.

 

[boxer15]

Possible reasons:
1) For example take sildenafil citrate. Pharma viagra contains like 130 mg sildenafil citrate, which is equivalent of 100 mg sildenafil. On the other hand, UG viagra is 100 mg sildenafil citrate, because frankly, most of the people who manufacture UG goods don't realize the weight of the 'citrate' is discounted for in pharmaceutical goods.

2) Shitty manufacture of pills. Crumbling pills is bad look even for UGLs, so what do they do? They crank the fuck up on pressure and manufacture pills with consistency of diamond coated steel. How well can some of those absorb? Hell, I've tested some pills that I couldn't crush with mortar and pestle no matter how hard I tried and that wouldn't dissolve by themselves at all.

3) Placebo effect is very real.



Primo is a highly faked steroid, at the very least relatively (and well, absolutely it's hard to tell, as there are no real guidelines for evaluating that )

What you are doing is not taking two massive biases into account.

Good results are much more likely to be published AND independent testing projects, which publish all results without bias, are biased in their choices of samples tested.

While I strongly disagree with the premise of this thread, that "real" anavar (or whatever) is impossible to find, I strongly believe you are wrong in your assessment of the situation.

eg. most ( > 50% ) of the "pharma bayer primo" i've tested contained no methenolone at all.

I actually didn't know about the citrate ester weight. That explains a lot actually. Guess this is why my ugl Cialis feels underdosed compared to the pharma I get prescribed.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I really dont understand tabs.when you cap you can put any dose you want, not have to buy machines, its still in powder form so absorption is good, etc

 

[Silentlemon1011]

I really dont understand tabs.when you cap you can put any dose you want, not have to buy machines, its still in powder form so absorption is good, etc

It's good for some things.

Like AIs
Wheb I need an aromasin (Only when stacking HCG near the end of a cycle)

I need a single 6.25 mg half tab.
12.5 is too much.
So i only use Aromasin pressed tabs

 

[janoshik]

I really dont understand tabs.when you cap you can put any dose you want, not have to buy machines, its still in powder form so absorption is good, etc

Automatization of manufacturing process, professional look etc.

 

[Iron Vett]

I was aware of the need to increase dosage due to the citrate issue from reading in the pharmasource thread a few years ago. Members were complaining that his cialis was weak so he researched and found out that the dose needed to be upped approximately 30% to account for the weight of the citrate.

 

[boxer15]

Automatization of manufacturing process, professional look etc.

Do you know what one would search up in order to find out how much the ester weight affects different compounds?

 

[Villain]

Yes I firmly believe it. Do you have a better explanation? I’m obviously not the only one who feels this way. If so many people feel so strongly about the same subject their has to be something to it

I think @janoshik’s and @Iron Vett’s and response above was actually quite informative and seemed to be the most logical. Not saying your response was illogical or wrong, but the same MCC being used by pharma companies is available to every day people as well. Granted, UGL’s are using things like baking soda, protein powder or creatine.

 

[Jswole220]

I think @janoshik’s and @Iron Vett’s and response above was actually quite informative and seemed to be the most logical. Not saying your response was illogical or wrong, but the same MCC being used by pharma companies is available to every day people as well. Granted, UGL’s are using things like baking soda, protein powder or creatine.

True they are available but expensive and I don’t know if any UGL using them. They are formulated for better absorption which is why you have different medications from the same company with different fillers to better suit each medication.

 

[janoshik]

Do you know what one would search up in order to find out how much the ester weight affects different compounds?

Their molecular mass. You compare the molecular mass of compound with and without ester. That's the ratio of 'active' part of the molecule.

Cheers

 

[Toni72]

@janoshik,
Has the anavar pharmasource been tested positively in your country? If I am wrong excuse me