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[Eman]

I remember reading something about that, I think there were some experiments done with that in europe, but not in the US AFAIK. What was being used in the US was undoubtedly DNP.

That's partly true, DNP was the first formula sold in the US under the brand name Formula 281. However, it was changed after about a year and rebranded as "Improved Formula 281" and that version contained DNC.

This was actually the main reason it was removed from the market, it was misbranded because the FDA deemed label claims to be inaccurate and/or misleading. It was never banned outright, the FDA had to request the discontinuation of the product and, the lab making it (Isabella Laboratories), complied. It was still a pharmaceutical wild west back then, misbranding was a valid concern... Today it's pretty much par for the course.

Also noteworthy, DNC increases metabolic rate approximately 10x more per milligram than DNP... And THAT was what was being sold and eventually removed from market.

See:

https//fdanj.nlm.nih.gov/catalog/fdnj28339

 

[janoshik]

That's partly true, DNP was the first formula sold in the US under the brand name Formula 281. However, it was changed after about a year and rebranded as "Improved Formula 281" and that version contained DNC.

This was actually the main reason it was removed from the market, it was misbranded because the FDA deemed label claims to be inaccurate and/or misleading. It was never banned outright, the FDA had to request the discontinuation of the product and, the lab making it (Isabella Laboratories), complied. It was still a pharmaceutical wild west back then, misbranding was a valid concern... Today it's pretty much par for the course.

Also noteworthy, DNC increases metabolic rate approximately 10x more per milligram than DNP... And THAT was what was being sold and eventually removed from market.

See:

https//fdanj.nlm.nih.gov/catalog/fdnj28339

Fine: 50$.

Ah, the good ol' days.

 

[Eman]

Fine: 50$.

Ah, the good ol' days.

$50 was like $7.8 billion back then, wasn't it?

 

[janoshik]

$50 was like $7.8 billion back then, wasn't it?

Translates to about 900$ nowadays, in fact.

That's less than a slap on the wrist, especially considering I know what happens when people try to sell that kinda stuff nowadays. (RIP scorpion)

 

[ounick28]

Damn, two years is the longest lag I have heard of. In the literature, the longest they noted was one year. I'll have to amend my suggestion for supplementation beyond one year to two.


There are those who think men aren't susceptible to DNP cataracts because there aren't any mentions in the literature. But the primary base of users was women. I think it's a leap to say that men are immune, and it would have been highly unethical (even 100 years ago) to run clinical tests to see if men got cataracts. But it is true that there's no evidence in the literature that directly ties cataracts to men. However, there are individual reports, more recently, of men getting cataracts, such as your friend.


I don't recall any association with vitamin E, but it has been a while since I read the studies. In animal trials, rabbits and guinea pigs (IIRC) they were only able to induce cataracts when the animals were vitamin C deprived. So there's that. However, one of the men (listed earlier) was taking plenty of supplements, and got cataracts anyway. So there may be a genetic component also.

It's really hard to say, but we do know the compound that is responsible for the cataracts.

2-Amino-p-quinoneimine (I misspelled it in my earlier post.)

Do you mind putting your safe/recommended usage with all supplements? Like no matter the cost, what is everything one should be taking?

I ask because I was about to order some, but the possibility of cataracts even if it’s 5% chance is a lot for me.

I was attracted to DNP based on how you didn’t lose muscle and didn’t have to be on cycle, but the cataract news kind of did it for me.

 

[Villain]

Do you mind putting your safe/recommended usage with all supplements? Like no matter the cost, what is everything one should be taking?

I ask because I was about to order some, but the possibility of cataracts even if it’s 5% chance is a lot for me.

I was attracted to DNP based on how you didn’t lose muscle and didn’t have to be on cycle, but the cataract news kind of did it for me.

I have to admit, it’s a big turn off for me too. Granted, cataracts can be surgically removed, but who wants that done this early in life?

 

[Night_Owl]

DNP should come with a warning on this board in my opinion.

Dnp gave me cataracts at the age of 22

Cataracts Following the Use of Dinitrophenol: A Summary of Thirty-Two Cases

Deadly ‘diet drug’ can also damage your eyes

 

[Villain]

DNP should come with a warning on this board in my opinion.

Dnp gave me cataracts at the age of 22

Cataracts Following the Use of Dinitrophenol: A Summary of Thirty-Two Cases

Deadly ‘diet drug’ can also damage your eyes

Odd.. the OP of the Cataract thread was 22 and another 22 year old commented about cataracts in that thread and the one guy in here with the 22-23 year old friend who got cataracts, kind of makes you wonder.

 

[Villain]

DNP should come with a warning on this board in my opinion.

Dnp gave me cataracts at the age of 22

Cataracts Following the Use of Dinitrophenol: A Summary of Thirty-Two Cases

Deadly ‘diet drug’ can also damage your eyes

Those 32 cases of cataracts, the shortest run was 3 months if I read correctly. I didn’t continue reading to see the ages. Did anyone happen to keep reading to see if ages were given?

 

[T&H]

Reading around on some of the long cycles and higj dosages people on the dnp Discord have ran, makes me wonder if cataracts is determined by genetics. You would think if dnp is the sole cause of cataracts in users, those who use a lot would be the first to get them.

 

[Villain]

Reading around on some of the long cycles and higj dosages people on the dnp Discord have ran, makes me wonder if cataracts is determined by genetics. You would think if dnp is the sole cause of cataracts in users, those who use a lot would be the first to get them.

62 deaths, but if I’m not mistaken, 39 of those were from the explosion. 29 REPORTED cases of cataracts, all women but one and now three young men here in Meso reporting cataracts. The cataracts scare me more than the death part because I believe a lot of the non explosion related deaths were suicide.

 

[T&H]

62 deaths, but if I’m not mistaken, 39 of those were from the explosion. 29 REPORTED cases of cataracts, all women but one and now three young men here in Meso reporting cataracts. The cataracts scare me more than the death part because I believe a lot of the non explosion related deaths were suicide.

Suicide? Why do you think that? This is the first I heard about an explosion too. I assumed the deaths were from overdosing, guess I got to read more about the original info.

 

[Villain]

Suicide? Why do you think that? This is the first I heard about an explosion too. I assumed the deaths were from overdosing, guess I got to read more about the original info.

Yeah, the overdoses were often times deliberate from what I read. What a horrible way to die too.

 

[KCMO]

Yeah, the overdoses were often times deliberate from what I read. What a horrible way to die too.

death from being cooked from the inside out, yeah fuck that

 

[Villain]

death from being cooked from the inside out, yeah fuck that

And one girl actually survived a suicide attempt when the hospital covered her in ice packs and pumped her full of IV.

 

[BroScientist]

Odd.. the OP of the Cataract thread was 22 and another 22 year old commented about cataracts in that thread and the one guy in here with the 22-23 year old friend who got cataracts, kind of makes you wonder.

Reread it. The second guy was talking about it being a big issue if he were 22, but he was in his 40s when he got cataracts from DNP.

Those 32 cases of cataracts, the shortest run was 3 months if I read correctly.

You should look at the cumulative doses.

Do you mind putting your safe/recommended usage with all supplements? Like no matter the cost, what is everything one should be taking?

I take vitamin C, a multivitamin, fish oil and some NAC (N-Acetyl-Carnosine) eye drops. There is limited studies on the NAC eye drops, but in my experience, they did actually clear up my vision that I did not know had been clouded at all. I think it was just age related.

 

[johnwelch]

I can only speak from personal experience, but I use to run dinitro for three months on and off. I did three months a year for several years. I never experienced anything related to cataracts.

My doses would range from 200-800 mg depending on time frame, weather and immediate goals. If you don't abuse it, its fine.

 

[Villain]

I can only speak from personal experience, but I use to run dinitro for three months on and off. I did three months a year for several years. I never experienced anything related to cataracts.

My doses would range from 200-800 mg depending on time frame, weather and immediate goals. If you don't abuse it, its fine.

When’s the last time you used it?

 

[bigrobbie]

Reading around on some of the long cycles and higj dosages people on the dnp Discord have ran, makes me wonder if cataracts is determined by genetics. You would think if dnp is the sole cause of cataracts in users, those who use a lot would be the first to get them.

I read the other day that DNPs link to cataracts is a myth. And we all know Google never lies...
Same article also said zero t3 suppression from it either so..
Grain of salt.

 

[ounick28]

I read the other day that DNPs link to cataracts is a myth. And we all know Google never lies...
Same article also said zero t3 suppression from it either so..
Grain of salt.

I know you are joking, so don’t take this as me trying to argue. Just posting the information below for people to read.

There are multiple causes, including my fraternity brother, that got cataracts in their early 20’s relatively shortly after taking DNP.

What are the odds that multiple people were in the small population of the world that gets cataracts as young adults... plus within the small bodybuilding population that takes DNP... plus happen to get the cataract shortly after taken DNP and not before... plus are strong enough to post their experience on an online forum.

The number of people that get cataracts as an early adult is extremely rare... however the number of young adults getting cataracts on the DNP forum appear to be more abundant than “extremely rare”... thus DNP appears to be increasing the likelihood of cataracts.

I’m a man of numbers, and the number point to some relationship between DNP and Cataracts. We aren’t even considering the cases of cataract cases where the person wasn’t open to sharing their devastating side effect on an online forum.

Thus, the limited number of cases at our disposal is enough to scare me away from this drug.