First Test Cycle Ever

[limitphobic]

Whats up guys,
1st some stats:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 191 lbs.
BF%: 11%
Experience: 3 years weightlifting all natty.
5 days a week chest/back/shoulders/arms/legs and mon/wed/fri are ab days tue/thur are cardio days. Typically spend an hour in the gym each session. Should i increase?
I'm open to ALL advice from you battle-hardened out there and would appreciate it very much.

My cycle will go as follows (forgive my format, I'm very new to this, just your friendly neighborhood fly-on-the-wall)

Week 1-12
test e250 x2/week mon/thur
GW-501516 20mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EoD maybe E3D depending on my reaction
(sweet and simple)

PCT week 14-20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
GW-501516 20/20/20/20/10/10
MK-2866 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Natural Test Booster of choice (I prefer Mega-Test)
arimidex as needed

Thoughts?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

How old are you?

What are your current natural testosterone levels?

Don't use the AI until you get bloodwork around mid-cycle. Use the LC/MS/MS analysis for E2 "Sensitive analysis". Use those results to dial in you AI use. Hopefully you have pharm grade arimidex - it's one less variable to worry about and arimidex at 0.5 mg is almost impossible for UGLs or Research Chem sites to dose accurately.

Look into HCG for your PCT. I started when I was in my 40s and done having kids so I never PCT'd but I know HCG is much better at getting the natural levels going again.

 

[Eman]

GW-501516 20/20/20/20/10/10
MK-2866 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Natural Test Booster of choice (I prefer Mega-Test)
arimidex as needed

No to all of this during PCT. I wouldn't recommend the SARM and GW for on cycle either but definitely don't use a SARM and an AI during PCT...

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

No to all of this during PCT. I wouldn't recommend the SARM and GW for on cycle either but definitely don't use a SARM and an AI during PCT...

Good catch. I didn’t even realize that crap was SARMs. [emoji2357]

 

[Eman]

No to all of this during PCT. I wouldn't recommend the SARM and GW for on cycle either but definitely don't use a SARM and an AI during PCT...

Other items to consider:

• You're starting PCT too early.
• You're probably going to crash the ever living shit out of your estrogen with that much AI... I'd dial that back.
• That test booster that you mentioned actually has some decent ingredients but the dosages are too low on most of them and it is incredibly overpriced, if you like it I would suggest buying those ingredients separately and save a lot of money and get more out of it.

 

[limitphobic]

apologies
age: 28
natural total test is 836 i think not sure if its free or total. Ill be getting bloods periodically (2 weeks before cycle, 6 weeks in, 2 weeks after finishing pct) sound good? why no to the sarms? i hear it helps with catabolism after a cycle as well as retaining strength during pct. what would you fine gentleman recommend for pct? thanks for the honest feedback

edit: @Eman im waiting two weeks after last pin is that really too soon to start pct? my world has been flipped upside down haha

 

[MuscleFreak]

Whats up guys,
1st some stats:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 191 lbs.
BF%: 11%
Experience: 3 years weightlifting all natty.
5 days a week chest/back/shoulders/arms/legs and mon/wed/fri are ab days tue/thur are cardio days. Typically spend an hour in the gym each session. Should i increase?
I'm open to ALL advice from you battle-hardened out there and would appreciate it very much.

My cycle will go as follows (forgive my format, I'm very new to this, just your friendly neighborhood fly-on-the-wall)

Week 1-12
test e250 x2/week mon/thur
GW-501516 20mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EoD maybe E3D depending on my reaction
(sweet and simple)

PCT week 14-20
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/25/25
GW-501516 20/20/20/20/10/10
MK-2866 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5
Natural Test Booster of choice (I prefer Mega-Test)
arimidex as needed

Thoughts?

run just test no sarms...
pct also no sarms...

think u should really train more natty and educate yourself...i had 10 years natty progress before touching a gear and reading all the time about everything,trying to know as much as i can before my first cycle

 

[limitphobic]

run just test no sarms...
pct also no sarms...

think u should really train more natty and educate yourself...i had 10 years natty progress before touching a gear and reading all the time about everything,trying to know as much as i can before my first cycle

I appreciate the heads up but I'm headstrong at this point just being completely honest but i do truly appreciate the concern truly.

 

[Eman]

why no to the sarms?

They're suppressive - why would you want to take something that's suppressive to your natural testosterone production at the precise time you're trying to revive it?

what would you fine gentleman recommend for pct?

The clomid and nolva you have is fine. I think HCG is something to consider but it's not necessary.

im waiting two weeks after last pin is that really too soon to start pct?

Yup, why else would I have said you were starting it too soon?

i hear it helps with catabolism after a cycle as well as retaining strength during pct.

The folks that say that are often the ones selling it... If you already have it, you can run it during your cycle if you want but I really don't think you'll notice it at all. I've used it and I would compare it to a weak version of anavar.

 

[limitphobic]

They're suppressive - why would you want to take something that's suppressive to your natural testosterone production at the precise time you're trying to revive it?



The clomid and nolva you have is fine. I think HCG is something to consider but it's not necessary.



Yup, why else would I have said you were starting it too soon?



The folks that say that are often the ones selling it... If you already have it, you can run it during your cycle if you want but I really don't think you'll notice it at all. I've used it and I would compare it to a weak version of anavar.

makes perfect sence, so start pct 3 or 4 weeks after last pin? ill run the gw during cycle to improve endurance ill think twice about mk... i know its mildly suppressive but it plays its part by preserving gains via lessening catabolism its part of another forums perfect pct protocol which members unanimously agree to so ill take your advice into consideration while i carry on doing more research

but let the information flow gentlemen I'm enjoying this

 

[Eman]

its part of another forums perfect pct protocol which members unanimously agree to

Lol, fella... If you take nothing else away from this thread, hear me when I say that evolutionary is not a forum and their self proclaimed "perfect PCT protocol" is a crock of shit. It's a marketing tactic to sell SARMs to guys like you that don't know any better, I don't mean that to be offensive either you just haven't been in this world long enough to know.

Do you know why members unanimously agree on its usage? Because anyone that doesn't agree with it's usage gets banned and their posts get deleted. Biggest favor you could ever do for yourself at this stage of the game is forget that evo exists... In contrast, you have to literally threaten to take someone's life on this forum to get banned...posts aren't deleted and there are no mods with financial interest from sarm sources.

SARMs MIGHT help you retain some muscle tissue for a little while... But you can't take it forever and you will eventually crash, your recovery will be negatively affected and you'll be worse off than if you had skipped it and focused on diet instead.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

makes perfect sence, so start pct 3 or 4 weeks after last pin? ill run the gw during cycle to improve endurance ill think twice about mk... i know its mildly suppressive but it plays its part by preserving gains via lessening catabolism its part of another forums perfect pct protocol which members unanimously agree to so ill take your advice into consideration while i carry on doing more research

but let the information flow gentlemen I'm enjoying this

Evo is to steroids what r/WallStreetBets is to investing. Don’t take any advice from those people.

You have no idea how suppressive MK is because we have zero clinical data. If you want to get the most benefit from it then you’ll need to be a post-menopausal woman with stress urinary incontinence. That’s who it’s made for and that’s where all our clinical data come from. Based on blood work in various places it is suppressive enough that using it during pct is not much different than using a mild oral steroid. You wouldn’t use anavar during pct, would you?

 

[limitphobic]

Lol, fella... If you take nothing else away from this thread, hear me when I say that evolutionary is not a forum and their self proclaimed "perfect PCT protocol" is a crock of shit. It's a marketing tactic to sell SARMs to guys like you that don't know any better, I don't mean that to be offensive either you just haven't been in this world long enough to know.

Do you know why members unanimously agree on its usage? Because anyone that doesn't agree with it's usage gets banned and their posts get deleted. Biggest favor you could ever do for yourself at this stage of the game is forget that evo exists... In contrast, you have to literally threaten to take someone's life on this forum to get banned...posts aren't deleted and there are no mods with financial interest from sarm sources.

SARMs MIGHT help you retain some muscle tissue for a little while... But you can't take it forever and you will eventually crash, your recovery will be negatively affected and you'll be worse off than if you had skipped it and focused on diet instead.

wow great insight and once again world flipped. Thank you for that advice it does seem legit because they conveniently provide links to purchase I feel like ive been shammed! haha sall good ill run the test and gw and save the mk for another cycle in the far off future. maybe when funds dry up. So far really looking forward to the pharmacom i got its from a trusted source but id like to hear yalls thoughts on pharmacom personally, i got test e300 and then some anavar on the way (whew expensive from domestic warehouse but i hear quality is phenom.

 

[limitphobic]

Evo is to steroids what r/WallStreetBets is to investing. Don’t take any advice from those people.

You have no idea how suppressive MK is because we have zero clinical data. If you want to get the most benefit from it then you’ll need to be a post-menopausal woman with stress urinary incontinence. That’s who it’s made for and that’s where all our clinical data come from. Based on blood work in various places it is suppressive enough that using it during pct is not much different than using a mild oral steroid. You wouldn’t use anavar during pct, would you?

I've come to the consensus of "F*** evo" ive heard MESO is the most legit forum anyways so here ill be mostly while conducting more research. mk is off the table for now. other than that. pct starting at week 3 or 4?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

makes perfect sence, so start pct 3 or 4 weeks after last pin? ill run the gw during cycle to improve endurance ill think twice about mk... i know its mildly suppressive but it plays its part by preserving gains via lessening catabolism its part of another forums perfect pct protocol which members unanimously agree to so ill take your advice into consideration while i carry on doing more research

but let the information flow gentlemen I'm enjoying this

Lol, a lot of us are guilty of coming from other boards. You google “steroids” and some of those other boards come up before MESO. When I first started, I spent a little bit of time over at iSarms. [emoji2357]

There’s a lot of bullshit that goes on in those other forums. A LOT. Spend some time reading here. You’ll find the info much more straightforward because it’s tried and true.

PCT sucks. You go from superphysiological levels of testosterone down to virtually nothing until your body starts producing it again. Ask yourself: “self, I just had a great cycle and I want these little nuts of mine to start working as quickly as possible, does it make sense to take anything that is suppressive?” [emoji848] Think really hard about that right? No. It makes zero sense. Fuck the SARMs.

 

[limitphobic]

Lol, a lot of us are guilty of coming from other boards. You google “steroids” and some of those other boards come up before MESO. When I first started, I spent a little bit of time over at iSarms. [emoji2357]

There’s a lot of bullshit that goes on in those other forums. A LOT. Spend some time reading here. You’ll find the info much more straightforward because it’s tried and true.

PCT sucks. You go from superphysiological levels of testosterone down to virtually nothing until your body starts producing it again. Ask yourself: “self, I just had a great cycle and I want these little nuts of mine to start working as quickly as possible, does it make sense to take anything that is suppressive?” [emoji848] Think really hard about that right? No. It makes zero sense. Fuck the SARMs.

Powerful, powerful advice my new friend. GW isnt a sarm, throw it out or is on cycle all good? even maybe pct? and as for my never-ending unanswered question (no harm intended to anybody) ill start pct 3 weeks after last pin

 

[amtont]

wow great insight and once again world flipped. Thank you for that advice it does seem legit because they conveniently provide links to purchase I feel like ive been shammed! haha sall good ill run the test and gw and save the mk for another cycle in the far off future. maybe when funds dry up. So far really looking forward to the pharmacom i got its from a trusted source but id like to hear yalls thoughts on pharmacom personally, i got test e300 and then some anavar on the way (whew expensive from domestic warehouse but i hear quality is phenom.

You can make your own decision and others will probably tell you the same thing but you might want to read the Pcom thread before doing anything. If you read the last 3-4 pages you will see that both intl warehouses are not currently shipping and some people have been waiting up to 4 months for orders. I just got a refund today for an order I placed in December.

 

[limitphobic]

You can make your own decision and others will probably tell you the same thing but you might want to read the Pcom thread before doing anything. If you read the last 3-4 pages you will see that both intl warehouses are not currently shipping and some people have been waiting up to 4 months for orders. I just got a refund today for an order I placed in December.

i order domestic bro got my stuff in 10 from payment real talk even with all this virus shit going on

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Powerful, powerful advice my new friend. GW isnt a sarm, throw it out or is on cycle all good? even maybe pct? and as for my never-ending unanswered question (no harm intended to anybody) ill start pct 3 weeks after last pin

I would just stick to 500 mg/week test for the first cycle. You’re doing all that bloodwork so keep it as a base cycle where nothing else is going to skew the results. The bloodwork you get off of the first cycle is going to be your most informative data for YOUR body.

You’ll see if you’re estrogen sensitive, how well you respond to testosterone, whether your cholesterol takes a whack or not. Then you can adjust all future cycles based off of this info.

Save the extras for a 2nd cycle. See if it makes a difference over your 1st cycle.

 

[limitphobic]

I would just stick to 500 mg/week test for the first cycle. You’re doing all that bloodwork so keep it as a base cycle where nothing else is going to skew the results. The bloodwork you get off of the first cycle is going to be your most informative data for YOUR body.

You’ll see if you’re estrogen sensitive, how well you respond to testosterone, whether your cholesterol takes a whack or not. Then you can adjust all future cycles based off of this info.

Save the extras for a 2nd cycle. See if it makes a difference over your 1st cycle.

absolutely thats the plan first ones the test drive (pun kind of intended)
2nd ones the same thing, i expect to be all clear as the majority are; i got solid gear, solid pin setup, solid pct and ancillaries on hand. then ima try a small cut type cycle with the expensive af anavar haha heard good var wasnt gunna be cheap they were right.