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I saw this morning where the virus numbers are exploding in Boston . Be safe my Boston brothers...
Jankauskas
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“If you decide to stay locked home that’s ok”I saw this morning where the virus numbers are exploding in Boston . Be safe my Boston brothers...
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Den84
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I can speak for Italy and I can say that Italy have the most rigid lockout in the world, here people need self-certification for go out of the home, and people can’t go out of City of residence. People can go out just for buy food or medical examination or go to pharmacies. the police check with drones, helicopters, and there are checkpoints everywhere. you can't go for a walk even in a deserted field. the fines are very high, minimum 500 eur, maximum 4k eur .. in Italy there is no more democracy. Believe in me. I have seen many videos on facebook, the police are very violent now!
And what is the result of this crazy lockout?
Italy broke all the dead records!
-record civilian deaths
-record deaths among doctors
-record of deaths in prisons
- and also economy is completely dead!
so I keep repeating, and being convinced that this lockout didn't work! sweden's "whole open" worked better.
And I don't want to say anything about the fact that they are faking all the death certificates. many doctors are denouncing, but are being silenced ...
Of course, social distancing/restrictions work to reduce covid-19 deaths. I don't think that's worth debating.
The effectiveness depends on a lot of variables. If it's implemented early enough, it can largely achieve containment. For example, this probably happened in South Korea.
For Europe and the U.S., it was never about containment, it was only about mitigation. In other words, the restrictions were implemented too late for containment as too many people were already infected.
It can be effective for mitigation. Its effectiveness depends on how many people are already infected. Obviously it will work better if less than 5% of population is infected. Not so well if over 25% is infected.
In the absence of mass population testing, we never had the data to determine how widespread infection was at the early stages. Given that so many infected are asymptomatic, it could have been far more widespread than most suspected.
My GUESS is that it was already widespread in Italy and Spain when the social restrictions were put in place. So the restrictions didn't have a dramatic impact.
I also SPECULATE that cultural differences came into play. For example, Spain has had 15-25% unemployment for most of the past 10 years; it's as high as double that for under-30s. It wasn't unusual for several generations to live in the same household before then. But it became much more common for under-30s to live with their parents in Spain due to the economy. I think this made it more likely for vulnerable (older) populations to become infected. I think the same economic and cultural issues apply in Italy to a lesser degree. Perhaps @Den84 could speak to that.
I don't think it's healthcare. It's essentially free for everyone in these countries.
I don't think it's necessarily the aging population of the country. Germany and Japan seem to have done fine in spite of their older population.
I don't think its necessarily population density either. Germany and South Korea have done fine with higher population density. Spain has done far worse even though its population density is closer to Sweden's.
I'm not an expert on all the cultural differences between these countries. I suspect it is a factor.
Of course, it could be some weird combination of all of the above.
In sum, I do not really know.
It will be up to doctors, academics and epidemiologists to figure this out. Not the politicians and political punditry.
Isnt it ironic how we as a country (USA) have no problem sending our own to prison for years at a time for minor infractions , yet when asked to spend one month in our house we break we panic....we protest , we cry loss of freedom . One month . And maybe 2 months ...To save lives . Maybe our own.... 
MisterSuperGod
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Isnt it ironic how we as a country (USA) have no problem sending our own to prison for years at a time for minor infractions , yet when asked to spend one month in our house we break we panic....we protest , we cry loss of freedom . One month . And maybe 2 months ...To save lives . Maybe our own....
i find it funny that when this virus wasn't a thing yet, people would call into work, which for many it's unpaid, because they wanted to stay home.
Now they're getting paid to stay home and can't do so to save their lives.
Jankauskas
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To “save their lives” from the “deadly” virus that has a death rate Lower than 1%.
Isnt it ironic how we as a country (USA) have no problem sending our own to prison for years at a time for minor infractions , yet when asked to spend one month in our house we break we panic....we protest , we cry loss of freedom . One month . And maybe 2 months ...To save lives . Maybe our own....
Color me stupid, but I don’t see the irony ? I’m not the one getting caught breaking any laws, so why should I be on house arrest ?
Jankauskas
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Have you ever tried using your own brain instead of regurgitating government propaganda ?
Quick answer: do you hide in your house for anything else?
You could get killed driving at anytime you get in your car.
We all manage risk and for something that has less than a 1% death rate, that’s not enough risk for me to panic.
And of course not everyone should hunker down in a bomb shelter. My wife still does her job and mine has been cancelled for the time being . But I still conduct business whatever that is . I had a garage sale this week-end , asked everyone to wear a mask . They did and it was a success .
But this is the real thing , its a killer and its climbing numbers is most alarming , better to play it safe than sorry...
But this is the real thing , its a killer and its climbing numbers is most alarming , better to play it safe than sorry...
Excuse me ?
Are you saying 40,000+ US deaths in 7 weeks has been faked ? I hope your not the head of a household....
Jankauskas
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Excuse me ?
As of 2019, there were 328 million people living in America, 40 thousand deaths is a fart in the wind.Excuse me ?
There must be more people dying from acute diarrhea than from this bullshit.
MisterSuperGod
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Regardless. Something tells me if your mother, father, sister, etc, became infected and died as a result, you'd be singing a different tune.
Jankauskas
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I would sing in the same tune as if they died of cancer or regular flu or explosive diarrhea.
Go for it @Jankauskas your free to walk about and get infected just stay away from me ...May I suggest the beach or a casino ? How about dancing in a crowded bar ? Go for it and prove Darwin right .
MisterSuperGod
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Okay, Jank. Whatever you say.
Jankauskas
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I don’t need the suggestions of an ignorant as how to live my life.Go for it @Jankauskas your free to walk about and get infected just stay away from me ...May I suggest the beach or a casino ? How about dancing in a crowded bar ? Go for it and prove Darwin right .
I bet you are one of those that got the government pay check to sit on your ass all day drinking beer and watching infomercials.
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