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lol, again with the arbitrary "need". Civilized folks call it litigation, criminal in the GF case. That's how we (civilized humans) protest. LE does something bad and publicly elected officials prosecute. How about that for protesting? Or is this not enough for you? What's your plan regarding protesting, if I may ask?
it's most certainly your right... but you're completely incorrect. It has everything to do with the flag. If white people decided to not partake in black history month because college tuition is sky high you'd be ok with that? Shit all over something unrelated to the problem that people hold dear as opposed to attacking the actual problem head on in an educated way, and then expect and/or demand those that are offended by these actions to drink the koolaid like good little americans... Hmmm.... Duh. Wtf are you guys thinking?
assumptions are a hard move. Have you asked him about it? Have you asked me? And what makes you dredge up the word Patriot as you did? Please explain to me why you have that word stand out as you did? Must have been a reason for it.
no, it does not violate any code. You can not use the flag to dress yourself, clothing with flag images is not a problem.
if he wants change then he should let the prosecution do is job while he goes to work and respects his community. Or maybe supply the voters a good challenger to the incumbent, you know, someone that doesn't perpetuate the cycle that has been going on for 50+ years in these cities. That's not what's happening here though, is it? Just a bunch of animals causing civil disobedience. I enjoy the spirit that people have these days, I'm glad people feel they have the right to protest and if that's what they feel they need to do to effect change then so be it. But at the end of the day they aren't changing shit. Change comes from within. You can walk around a town hall yelling at the top of your lungs with burning pitch forks and toppled statues of people that are hated, that does nothing. I'm surprised there isn't anyone at the forefront of this movement with enough intelligence to keep this ship from crashing into the shoreline. Sadly there isn't and the cause is already lost. It went into the night sky like the smoke from rioting fires, never to be thought of again. It's not the message, it's the delivery. It's a joke.
I can do it if you please, but you should take a half hour out of your day and look up the five safest and five worst cities in America. Now, do some research into who has been the policy makers for these cities. Look it all up: mayor, police superintendent/commissioner, who resides on city council, all of it. What do you think you're going to find? I'll give you a hint.... Liberal democratic cities are generally shit holes compared to conservative cities. Not saying the better cities are utopia, but they are light-years better than the alternative... Generally. You'd be surprised I feel.
I laugh when I think of this, but it's what happening on a larger scale: Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish. The conservative mindset is to teach people how to fish. The liberal mindset is to give a man a fish. Don't be a liberal.
Let's call this for what it is. The religious cult of Wokism and Equality want to erase White/European culture, White history and White people because in their eyes Whites and everything associated with it are racist and oppressive.
I'm stopping far short of that, lol. I think you have a large group of disenfranchised people that are eager to follow well backed support for their cause. Only problem is well backed support doesn't have their best interest in mind. It muddies the water and causes divisions within society.
Raise the tide and all boats float. We aren't in the business of rising only white boats, or black boats, or brown..
So much common sense has escaped all angles of society. People are entrenched in their beliefs and it's sad to see opinion and feelings get in the ways of dialogue and growth. It's happening on both sides, funny how that works. How "woke" are you people? All of you?
It's actually not bad, at least on the face of it. The devil may still be in the details. The fact only some no-knock warrants would be prohibited means it doesn't go nearly far enough IMO.
Democrats Unveil Sweeping "Police Reform" Bill Ending "Qualified Immunity" For Cops
As the push for abolishing police departments intensifies, Democrats, led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, just unveiled the "sweeping" police reform bill that they've been talking about all weekend.
The "Justice in Policing Act of 2020" would ban chokeholds, establish a national database to track police misconduct and prohibit certain no-knock warrants, among a long list of other reforms.
Per WaPo, the bill would also change federal law so that victims of excessive force or other violations only need prove that officers "recklessly" deprived them of their rights to sue them in civil court. This limiting of "qualified immunity" has been cited as police unions as a major misstep that would dissuade recruits from becoming officers.
If passed, the bill would also expand DoJ powers to investigate and prosecute police misconduct, a capability that has been "undermined by the Trump administration," the document said. It would grant subpoena power to the department’s Civil Rights Division to conduct "pattern and practice" investigations, and grant subpoena power to states attorneys offices to do the same.
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Democrats Unveil Sweeping "Police Reform" Bill Ending "Qualified Immunity" For Cops
As the push for abolishing police departments intensifies, Democrats, led by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, just unveiled the "sweeping" police reform bill that they've been talking about all weekend.
The "Justice in Policing Act of 2020" would ban chokeholds, establish a national database to track police misconduct and prohibit certain no-knock warrants, among a long list of other reforms.
Per WaPo, the bill would also change federal law so that victims of excessive force or other violations only need prove that officers "recklessly" deprived them of their rights to sue them in civil court. This limiting of "qualified immunity" has been cited as police unions as a major misstep that would dissuade recruits from becoming officers.
If passed, the bill would also expand DoJ powers to investigate and prosecute police misconduct, a capability that has been "undermined by the Trump administration," the document said. It would grant subpoena power to the department’s Civil Rights Division to conduct "pattern and practice" investigations, and grant subpoena power to states attorneys offices to do the same.
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That was very long so i'll try to be brief...Kneeling is a RIGHT, a constitutional one at that, it seem that's all some people focus on when there is so much disrespect going on while the anthem is played...the fact that i have to explain this to you means you have little to no understanding to what kneeling is or represents. YOU brought up Brees, and he didn't mention any other form of disrespect when it came to the flag during games, only kneeling...if he was so free with his opinion on it, why not include ALL forms of disrespect that goes on while it's being played you didn't mention that either , so you were totally fine with seeing ONLY kneeling as disrespectful...and yes..i'm making that assumption, sticking by it and im sure it's accurate.......kneeling not UNPatriotic as i have seen and read some folks say. Now as for that inane analogy you made as far a whites protesting HBCU's or whatever, they are free to protest whatever they want...that's their right too.
Lastly, since this is going in circles...If a man wants change badly he NEEDS to do something...you can't always sit on the sidelines and have someone else do the work for you.... and you contradict yourself by saying all he needs to do is let the prosecution work and respect his community which is what law abiding citizens do..duh.., but go out vote or even run for office, doesn't that the mean he felt THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING?...isn't that so called conservative mantra...pull yourself up by the bootstraps? even though we know they only mean that for poor people, because corporations make out like bandits under their watch.
I'm done with this...i see some folks here have a certain view of ALL black folks and what there behavior should be, so that its pleasing to their narrow view of this country and it's history, if it doesn't apply to you or anyone else reading this...then it doesn't apply. One thing is for certain It doesn't work like that, Black folks will continue to work and protest when we see injustice, no matter how uncomfortable or angry it makes some folks feel.
Uglyrichie
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It's good to see legislation finally being brought to make change. Will we see change it is to early to tell. Is it coming because it is so close to an election I hope not but why mention trump. I'm neither for or against him. I still have questions why not from the last riot why not from the last death. Maybe we will see our leaders held accountable for some reason I don't see it happening for some time
if you think my argument has anything to do with black people you are sadly mistaken. I never mentioned black as an issue. I mentioned liberal as an issue. Wow. Love the rabbit holes you dive into, waste of time but love the imagination non the less. But yes, I do expect all black people to behave in a manner that strives to keep the peace, as I would any color. And to this point I have seen just that: black people being civilized people, Along with whites and all the rest. And as bad as you're going to take it I've seen blacks acting like animals, along with whites and every other color. You do realize most everyone else stopped concerning themselves with color decades ago. It's easy to find the outliers and amplify them with media, hard to not notice actually.
Dude, plain and simple. The anthem and flag are sacred to people. Find something that isn't arbitrary to your cause and maybe just maybe you'd have more support than liberals. Believe it or not more white people agree with you that not, get a better delivery. I for one will never back a movement that disrespects my country.
Oh, I don't even know what you're referring to when you say
so I have no clue how to address it. What do you mean? Who has been disrespectful to the flag and anthem besides the kneeling?
And yes, you're wrong if you think I disrespect either of the two.
never said the man should not do something. I said he doesn't need to protest. Please read what I wrote with open eyes. There are no hidden messages in there. It's all verbatim man.
It's clear as day you're full of rage and won't see another man's view point. My analogy fell short I guess, poor attempt on my part. Simple as this..
I will disrespect something you love and hold dear because something totally unrelated offends me. Makes sense? It doesn't make sense to me, either.
Again, if LEO are the issue take it up with them. You kneel when the anthem is played you're pissing on sacred ground. I have family that died for this country, for that flag, and for your family. Stop enabling LEO and elect officials that actually care about black people. Fyi, just because they're black doesn't mean they give two shits about black people. Same goes for whites. Swallow the pill down, it's only bitter the first time.
So what are we protesting here? Go to work guys. Jesus.
hfo369
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Exposing the black on black crimes doesn’t promote the “white privilege, black systemic racism” narrative that is needed to successfully complete the greatest American divide ever seen
No graffiti, no protestors, not a scratch. Imagine that.
Go socialism! And video games and my mom's basement and mountain dew and pornhub cuz I never get pussy....No graffiti, no protestors, not a scratch. Imagine that.
4Figgy
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Watch it. I like gaming, and if you offend me I will rage!
mrxplosive
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What we are seeing now is an overreaction by black people to over 3 centuries of underreaction by white people. Just 99 years ago, over 300 black people were murdered in 1921 in Tulsa and over 30 blocks burned to the ground by white rioters, not one prosecution ever took place. Same thing has happened over and over throughout American history and well into the 1960s. No need to wonder why black people have so much anger and distrust of law enforcement.
Kingsmountain
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What is odd is that no one bothers to point out it was Democrats who perpetrated the atrocity.
What's even more odd is the fact that blacks don't seem to mind it either and overwhelmingly vote Democrat even til today.
Why do you think that is?
mrxplosive
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I was pointing out just one of hundreds of reasons that black Americans don't tend to trust law enforcement. Not that I even mentioned political parties, but...
I didn't realize the white rioters responsible for the Tulsa race massacre were polled and were all Democrats. Please, post a link to where you found that fascinating info, I'd love to see it! The mayor at the time was a Republican, but I'm sure he was busy working on other stuff and didn't have time to deal with demanding the police do their job and arrest the murderers and rioters.
Both parties were full of racists at the time so it wasn't like black people had a non-racist party they could vote for. Both parties have changed a lot over the last century. It wasn't until the 60's that black people began identifying heavily as Democrats. LBJ supported the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater opposed it. 94% of Black voters supported LBJ and white southerners unhappy with the end of segregation began voting heavily for Republicans. The Republicans have been courting them heavily since, with Nixon adopting the "Southern Strategy" to take advantage of it.
I didn't realize the white rioters responsible for the Tulsa race massacre were polled and were all Democrats. Please, post a link to where you found that fascinating info, I'd love to see it! The mayor at the time was a Republican, but I'm sure he was busy working on other stuff and didn't have time to deal with demanding the police do their job and arrest the murderers and rioters.
Both parties were full of racists at the time so it wasn't like black people had a non-racist party they could vote for. Both parties have changed a lot over the last century. It wasn't until the 60's that black people began identifying heavily as Democrats. LBJ supported the Civil Rights Act, Goldwater opposed it. 94% of Black voters supported LBJ and white southerners unhappy with the end of segregation began voting heavily for Republicans. The Republicans have been courting them heavily since, with Nixon adopting the "Southern Strategy" to take advantage of it.
There will be a radical change coming because it's necessary.
For too long the greatest generation and boomers have steered this country into a place with endless contradictions.
From healthcare, education, housing. This country has gone down the toilet for many young and middle aged people and they're pissed off.
Capitalism doesn't work for millions, guided capitalism like we have is there to wave a carrot to get millions of people to do that which is unnatural. Most people don't want to stress every day of their life worrying about money and paying bills.
As someone that has been around for almost 50 years, I've seen the drastic changes this country has taken, it was far far far easier to hold onto the so called American dream 30 years ago compared to what it is today. People are tired of playing musical chairs set to a music at 400bpm. 30 years ago you could go to University and pay for tuition by mowing lawns in the summer and have plenty of spending money to buy beer for the whole year, now you go into debt for decades.
My dad(high school diploma) paid for our healthcare with top notch insurance that cost $3/month for each child, that included completely paying for my $4000 braces. All thanks to a union job when manufacturing still existed in this country.
Kids see what's coming, the rat race that you must compete in for scraps and they're fucking pissed off and they should be.....this country has turned into a shithole for millions compared to the good life we had in the 50,60,70,80 and part of the 90's.
If the blacks had secure housing, education, healthcare, employement and the cops stopped fucking with them then you wouldn't see this BLM bullshit.
As for patriotism, who cares, wave a flag, sing a song, young people don't care about that shit anymore. Doesn't mean you don't want a country, but they just don't see any need in the outward display of patriotism for generations in the past that were mostly assholes and evil in a time where there were few dominant voices that could call out these assholes.
Any good philosopher will tell you that there is no one right way, there is no objective truth. You are what you do and if you don't want to do what was done in the past and instead create and build your future in the way you want it to be then everyone else can fuck off. These old crusty fucks saying you must do what they did when they were kids, pledge allegiance, worship statues, flag, fuck these idiots. None of us live long, none of us have any business telling the next generation what they must do. Everything that has been built by man crumbles or loses its significance eventually.
For too long the greatest generation and boomers have steered this country into a place with endless contradictions.
From healthcare, education, housing. This country has gone down the toilet for many young and middle aged people and they're pissed off.
Capitalism doesn't work for millions, guided capitalism like we have is there to wave a carrot to get millions of people to do that which is unnatural. Most people don't want to stress every day of their life worrying about money and paying bills.
As someone that has been around for almost 50 years, I've seen the drastic changes this country has taken, it was far far far easier to hold onto the so called American dream 30 years ago compared to what it is today. People are tired of playing musical chairs set to a music at 400bpm. 30 years ago you could go to University and pay for tuition by mowing lawns in the summer and have plenty of spending money to buy beer for the whole year, now you go into debt for decades.
My dad(high school diploma) paid for our healthcare with top notch insurance that cost $3/month for each child, that included completely paying for my $4000 braces. All thanks to a union job when manufacturing still existed in this country.
Kids see what's coming, the rat race that you must compete in for scraps and they're fucking pissed off and they should be.....this country has turned into a shithole for millions compared to the good life we had in the 50,60,70,80 and part of the 90's.
If the blacks had secure housing, education, healthcare, employement and the cops stopped fucking with them then you wouldn't see this BLM bullshit.
As for patriotism, who cares, wave a flag, sing a song, young people don't care about that shit anymore. Doesn't mean you don't want a country, but they just don't see any need in the outward display of patriotism for generations in the past that were mostly assholes and evil in a time where there were few dominant voices that could call out these assholes.
Any good philosopher will tell you that there is no one right way, there is no objective truth. You are what you do and if you don't want to do what was done in the past and instead create and build your future in the way you want it to be then everyone else can fuck off. These old crusty fucks saying you must do what they did when they were kids, pledge allegiance, worship statues, flag, fuck these idiots. None of us live long, none of us have any business telling the next generation what they must do. Everything that has been built by man crumbles or loses its significance eventually.
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LeoTC
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This write up honestly began as a response to a rather wishy washy friend that doesn't get involved, is completely blind to their own privilege, and actively fosters the furtherance of their own personal echo chamber while condemning those that stand.
Fuck that, too many of you are too clueless and too deeply indoctrinated.
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The philosophy of nonviolence is admirable but ahistorical, often touted by those who are blessed enough not to have to fight for their survival on a daily basis.
Those with the luxury of dismissing or ignoring class divisions.
Nonviolence is an ideology employed to portray the violence of the oppressed as 'irrational' and the violence of the oppressor as 'rational.'
Ghandi, for example, is championed as a leader who's nonviolent protest brought the British empire to it's knees.
However, that's a fairytale propagated by the upper echelon of society. It encouraged colonized peoples not to overthrow their colonizers.
In reality, the economic drain of WWII prompted Britain to give up it's colonies in India, Pakistan, Jordan, Myanmar, Sri-Lanka, and Palestine. It most definitely wasn't fasting and marching.
When the oppressed fight, they stand a chance of winning.
Those in power are keenly aware of this.
They actively discourage the masses from fighting back. Teaching us that nonviolence is noble from a young age and going so far as to sanctify those revolutionary ideals - 'justice, freedom, peace' - so long as the oppressed petition for mercy and disarm themselves.
An empire is only concerned with nonviolence when it raises consciousness enough to spark violence.
To force change.
The French Revolution, American Revolution, Irish War of Independence, Haitian Revolution, The Holocaust, Suffragette Movement, Cuban Revolution, Stonewall / LGBTQ Movement, ZANU Movement of Zimbabwe, etc...
There is honor in standing up, there is honor in armed and violent struggle.
The violence of the oppressed is not the violence of the oppressor. One is a means of achieving hard fought liberation, the other a means of achieving and maintaining dominion.
Fighting is an act of love, bravery, and sacrifice that risks imprisonment and death.
Keep. Fighting.
Tiocfaidh ár Aá
Fuck that, too many of you are too clueless and too deeply indoctrinated.
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The philosophy of nonviolence is admirable but ahistorical, often touted by those who are blessed enough not to have to fight for their survival on a daily basis.
Those with the luxury of dismissing or ignoring class divisions.
Nonviolence is an ideology employed to portray the violence of the oppressed as 'irrational' and the violence of the oppressor as 'rational.'
Ghandi, for example, is championed as a leader who's nonviolent protest brought the British empire to it's knees.
However, that's a fairytale propagated by the upper echelon of society. It encouraged colonized peoples not to overthrow their colonizers.
In reality, the economic drain of WWII prompted Britain to give up it's colonies in India, Pakistan, Jordan, Myanmar, Sri-Lanka, and Palestine. It most definitely wasn't fasting and marching.
When the oppressed fight, they stand a chance of winning.
Those in power are keenly aware of this.
They actively discourage the masses from fighting back. Teaching us that nonviolence is noble from a young age and going so far as to sanctify those revolutionary ideals - 'justice, freedom, peace' - so long as the oppressed petition for mercy and disarm themselves.
An empire is only concerned with nonviolence when it raises consciousness enough to spark violence.
To force change.
The French Revolution, American Revolution, Irish War of Independence, Haitian Revolution, The Holocaust, Suffragette Movement, Cuban Revolution, Stonewall / LGBTQ Movement, ZANU Movement of Zimbabwe, etc...
There is honor in standing up, there is honor in armed and violent struggle.
The violence of the oppressed is not the violence of the oppressor. One is a means of achieving hard fought liberation, the other a means of achieving and maintaining dominion.
Fighting is an act of love, bravery, and sacrifice that risks imprisonment and death.
Keep. Fighting.
Tiocfaidh ár Aá
Vincentino
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You create your own class division if you choose not to change your own circumstances. Just because you’re born into poverty doesn’t mean you have to stay that way. Just because you’re born into a shitty, inner-city environment doesn’t mean you have to resort to crime and gang-banging like the other jackasses around you. Before you start to go off on some tangent presuming that I grew up eating from a silver spoon, just go ahead and shut your mouth. The reason I can sit here and say you DONT have to live as a stereotype and get sucked into the machine is because I brought myself out of it, as have countless others. Instead of claiming to be a victim of society’s bias, how about you re-write the narrative and re-write your life. You have a CHOICE. And no, I’m not saying “you” as in you yourself, I’m saying “you” to anyone it applies to. The EASY route is to claim society has it out for you. It’s EASY to just take the sleezy way out and sell dope, rob others, and contribute to being a stain on society. You want change? You want to change the stereotype? Then BE the change you want to see.
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