Family problem.. [emoji2357]

[maxx the dogg]

67...probably old enough to be his grandpa :^ /

 

[guearyt]

67...probably old enough to be his grandpa :^ /

No way. In that case, that must be your grandson in your profile picture.

 

[B Ware]

So my sister found out I’m on anabolic steroids. She found needles in my stash. I told her I’m on trt, and try to explain myself but to no avail. She thinks it’s like that one movie made in the 80s with dude being all crazy. Lol. Anyways, she’s in my moms head now telling her I’m roid rage crazy, going to get a heart attack and everything. Fml. Anyways I told her I will go to a urologist and have them prescribe me test. Which in a way, eventually I want to go legit, too many Good ugls are hard to come by, it’s obviously not legal, and when a good source comes around, they leave just as fast. I have a bunch of gear. Could you get away with a cycle? Could I stack? Thanks for the help.

Surly you don’t think every one here is on self medicated trt? I myself am on doc prescribed trt. I report to him for labs and chit chat about every 7 months. This allows me to cycle 3ish months (Usually 12-14 weeks) and cruise 3ish months. Like mentioned, at first you will be monitored for a bit and will have to fly the straight and narrow. For me it was a pretty fast process as they put me on 100mg weekly and told me to come back in a few weeks for labs. Being that I respond well and 100mg puts me in the 800s that’s where he left my dose and told me to see him in 6 months. After he tells me that though I get to discuss with the receptionist on a date that works for both of us and I usually push it out to right at 7 months.

Honestly though, I’ve made my best gainz while strictly just taking trt and not cycling. I’m actually stepping on a stage in a few weeks and haven’t cycled since October. Trt gainz aren’t like cycle gainz. You keep what you earn as long as you stay consistent of course.

To touch on the family deal. Going legit with a doctor will shut everyone up. For as long as I can remember I’ve been asked if I’m on steroids and I have denied denied denied. Now I tell them, yep and I get it from Walgreens you fuck. Seriously though, just a while back I had this talk with a coworker. He’s one of those, “because you’re taking testosterone you’re jacked” I simply told him that my naturally testosterone levels were below 200 on multiple labs and my prescription brings me to 800. Then I go on to say I bet if you pull labs your natural production may be equal or higher than my synthetic level and ask him why he isn’t jacked.


Anywho, for years I feared going to see a doc. Was the simplest best decision ever. I can travel anywhere with it, leave it in plain sight at the house and not have to worry and most importantly, it gave me a better quality of life.

 

[maxx the dogg]

No way. In that case, that must be your grandson in your profile picture.

No that's me back in May after a 7 week recomp at 174 lbs (5'9"). I'm now in week 9 of my first ever cycle of test cyp/dbol and am currently at 188 lbs, so a bit bigger. My body looks a lot younger than my face ;^ ) ...and I have good aging genes. My dad lived to 95 and my mom to 92 and neither looked their age.

 

[guearyt]

No that's me back in May after a 7 week recomp at 174 lbs (5'9"). I'm now in week 9 of my first ever cycle of test cyp/dbol and am currently at 188 lbs, so a bit bigger. My body looks a lot younger than my face ;^ ) ...and I have good aging genes. My dad lived to 95 and my mom to 92 and neither looked their age.

Impressive to say the least. Stay strong Maxx!!!!

 

[guearyt]

Surly you don’t think every one here is on self medicated trt? I myself am on doc prescribed trt. I report to him for labs and chit chat about every 7 months. This allows me to cycle 3ish months (Usually 12-14 weeks) and cruise 3ish months. Like mentioned, at first you will be monitored for a bit and will have to fly the straight and narrow. For me it was a pretty fast process as they put me on 100mg weekly and told me to come back in a few weeks for labs. Being that I respond well and 100mg puts me in the 800s that’s where he left my dose and told me to see him in 6 months. After he tells me that though I get to discuss with the receptionist on a date that works for both of us and I usually push it out to right at 7 months.

Honestly though, I’ve made my best gainz while strictly just taking trt and not cycling. I’m actually stepping on a stage in a few weeks and haven’t cycled since October. Trt gainz aren’t like cycle gainz. You keep what you earn as long as you stay consistent of course.

To touch on the family deal. Going legit with a doctor will shut everyone up. For as long as I can remember I’ve been asked if I’m on steroids and I have denied denied denied. Now I tell them, yep and I get it from Walgreens you fuck. Seriously though, just a while back I had this talk with a coworker. He’s one of those, “because you’re taking testosterone you’re jacked” I simply told him that my naturally testosterone levels were below 200 on multiple labs and my prescription brings me to 800. Then I go on to say I bet if you pull labs your natural production may be equal or higher than my synthetic level and ask him why he isn’t jacked.


Anywho, for years I feared going to see a doc. Was the simplest best decision ever. I can travel anywhere with it, leave it in plain sight at the house and not have to worry and most importantly, it gave me a better quality of life.

So glad to hear someone else admit that....Better gains on TRT only. You are fortunate however, that 100mg gets you to 800. 250 gets me to 385. Pitiful. And that is prescription test cyp. Last year I went to 900mg during a stack cycle. Got up to 1562. Geeees. At that point, I started checking to see if I had a vagina. lol.
I don't understand it. To me it makes no scientific sense. I can actually lose size and weight the higher I go.
On a 250mg/week test, 400mg/week Equi, 300mg/week Deca, I don't gain shit....Nada. Throw in some dbol or drol50 and I start going downhill. I have been so stupid to try this over and over for years. Same results every time.
I am babbling here, so stop reading if you aren't interested.
Last year, this is what I did with one 6 month cycle...
Weekly...
500mg test cyp.
350mg Deca
500mg Equi
Daily...
50mg test p
50mg NPP
50mg drol swapped in and out with dbol
6iu HGH Jintropin
5iu Humulin N
Went from beginning weight of 267lbs down to 235lbs all while consuming close to 6000 calories a day and 100oz water.
WTF??? I am still researching as to how that could have happened.
10 years ago while on TRT at 200mg/week I hit 310lbs at 15.5% BF.
Starting today, I am going back to TRT only. Give it a few months. Why not? Sick of being small!!!

 

[B Ware]

250 gets me to 385

Last year I went to 900mg during a stack cycle. Got up to 1562.

Wow, that’s crazy. Hell when I do cycle I never go higher than 400mg nowadays. My next cycle thats coming up I will only use 375mg.

 

[amtont]

So glad to hear someone else admit that....Better gains on TRT only. You are fortunate however, that 100mg gets you to 800. 250 gets me to 385. Pitiful. And that is prescription test cyp. Last year I went to 900mg during a stack cycle. Got up to 1562. Geeees. At that point, I started checking to see if I had a vagina. lol.
I don't understand it. To me it makes no scientific sense. I can actually lose size and weight the higher I go.
On a 250mg/week test, 400mg/week Equi, 300mg/week Deca, I don't gain shit....Nada. Throw in some dbol or drol50 and I start going downhill. I have been so stupid to try this over and over for years. Same results every time.
I am babbling here, so stop reading if you aren't interested.
Last year, this is what I did with one 6 month cycle...
Weekly...
500mg test cyp.
350mg Deca
500mg Equi
Daily...
50mg test p
50mg NPP
50mg drol swapped in and out with dbol
6iu HGH Jintropin
5iu Humulin N
Went from beginning weight of 267lbs down to 235lbs all while consuming close to 6000 calories a day and 100oz water.
WTF??? I am still researching as to how that could have happened.
10 years ago while on TRT at 200mg/week I hit 310lbs at 15.5% BF.
Starting today, I am going back to TRT only. Give it a few months. Why not? Sick of being small!!!

Wow, that’s crazy. Hell when I do cycle I never go higher than 400mg nowadays. My next cycle thats coming up I will only use 375mg.

@guearyt Have you ever had your enzyme levels tested? It is a pretty new development in testing but the CYP3A4 Enzyme is responsible for metabolizing testosterone, it is also responsible for metabolizing nandrolone as well as most other AAS. There is a very small subset of the population that this enzyme is rapid metabolizing causing them to get very low therapeutic levels of drugs as you described even at amounts that for others would yield much higher levels.

This type of testing is primarily used for patients with cancer and autoimmune diseases so doctors can target ideal levels without giving patients too many side effects. As if patients were poor metabolizers and given a normal dose it could be fatal.

You can buy this type of testing on your own but it its very expensive $350. If you have a TRT Prescription you might be able to see if your doctor will order the testing for you and it can be covered by insurance. Alternatively if you are on other medications they might qualify to have you tested. You can also just go trial and error if you dont want to spend the time or $ to be tested.

I just wanted to make you aware of this in case it is something you hadn't considered. If you want you can feel free to pm me. It is a topic that I am pretty interested in and study a lot as it is necessary for the majority of patients I treat given the medications they take.

I could also point you to some articles if you would like to explore it for yourself. I have read enough of your posts to know that you are intelligent and are in fact taking that amount of legit test and have those levels. For some people such as Connor I would assume that you had somehow managed to find the one source that has bunk test and were surprised that you couldn't just eat Oreos and get jacked and shredded LOL.

Feel free to ignore this and I dont mean to get into your personal business. You have helped me with a number of your posts so I just wanted to return the favor if possible.

 

[guearyt]

@guearyt Have you ever had your enzyme levels tested? It is a pretty new development in testing but the CYP3A4 Enzyme is responsible for metabolizing testosterone, it is also responsible for metabolizing nandrolone as well as most other AAS. There is a very small subset of the population that this enzyme is rapid metabolizing causing them to get very low therapeutic levels of drugs as you described even at amounts that for others would yield much higher levels.

This type of testing is primarily used for patients with cancer and autoimmune diseases so doctors can target ideal levels without giving patients too many side effects. As if patients were poor metabolizers and given a normal dose it could be fatal.

You can buy this type of testing on your own but it its very expensive $350. If you have a TRT Prescription you might be able to see if your doctor will order the testing for you and it can be covered by insurance. Alternatively if you are on other medications they might qualify to have you tested. You can also just go trial and error if you dont want to spend the time or $ to be tested.

I just wanted to make you aware of this in case it is something you hadn't considered. If you want you can feel free to pm me. It is a topic that I am pretty interested in and study a lot as it is necessary for the majority of patients I treat given the medications they take.

I could also point you to some articles if you would like to explore it for yourself. I have read enough of your posts to know that you are intelligent and are in fact taking that amount of legit test and have those levels. For some people such as Connor I would assume that you had somehow managed to find the one source that has bunk test and were surprised that you couldn't just eat Oreos and get jacked and shredded LOL.

Feel free to ignore this and I dont mean to get into your personal business. You have helped me with a number of your posts so I just wanted to return the favor if possible.

Buddy Buddy Buddy!!!! Look for your PM from me.
And for the public here, This is new info to me. I have blood profiles done every 3 month average. I am familiar that the CYP450 enzyme pathway is extremely competitive with several meds. CYP3A4, I have never studied.
High hopes have entered my mind once again. I feel this is the purpose for us to be here, to help others as well as receive help.
Thank you so much amtont. And I suppose Connor will go down in history here...lol.

 

[amtont]

Buddy Buddy Buddy!!!! Look for your PM from me.
And for the public here, This is new info to me. I have blood profiles done every 3 month average. I am familiar that the CYP450 enzyme pathway is extremely competitive with several meds. CYP3A4, I have never studied.
High hopes have entered my mind once again. I feel this is the purpose for us to be here, to help others as well as receive help.
Thank you so much amtont. And I suppose Connor will go down in history here...lol.

No problem responded to your PM. Hopefully you can get stuff figured out!

Here is a link for anyone who is interested with some general info https://www.pharmacytimes.com/publications/issue/2008/2008-09/2008-09-8687

 

[Demondosage]

So glad to hear someone else admit that....Better gains on TRT only. You are fortunate however, that 100mg gets you to 800. 250 gets me to 385. Pitiful. And that is prescription test cyp. Last year I went to 900mg during a stack cycle. Got up to 1562. Geeees. At that point, I started checking to see if I had a vagina. lol.
I don't understand it. To me it makes no scientific sense. I can actually lose size and weight the higher I go.
On a 250mg/week test, 400mg/week Equi, 300mg/week Deca, I don't gain shit....Nada. Throw in some dbol or drol50 and I start going downhill. I have been so stupid to try this over and over for years. Same results every time.
I am babbling here, so stop reading if you aren't interested.
Last year, this is what I did with one 6 month cycle...
Weekly...
500mg test cyp.
350mg Deca
500mg Equi
Daily...
50mg test p
50mg NPP
50mg drol swapped in and out with dbol
6iu HGH Jintropin
5iu Humulin N
Went from beginning weight of 267lbs down to 235lbs all while consuming close to 6000 calories a day and 100oz water.
WTF??? I am still researching as to how that could have happened.
10 years ago while on TRT at 200mg/week I hit 310lbs at 15.5% BF.
Starting today, I am going back to TRT only. Give it a few months. Why not? Sick of being small!!!

This happens to many guys and my theory on it is that when your body begins focusing more on trying to repair itself internally from higher dosages the gains fall off. I've experienced the same, and as soon as you mentioned the heavy orals I thought this

 

[guearyt]

This happens to many guys and my theory on it is that when your body begins focusing more on trying to repair itself internally from higher dosages the gains fall off. I've experienced the same, and as soon as you mentioned the heavy orals I thought this

I have heard of this before. Just a theory yes, but quite possibly a genius one.
I did PM amtont. With his permission, I will post conclusions. Or maybe he will.
Thank you Demondosage....kinda scary. lol.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

Surly you don’t think every one here is on self medicated trt? I myself am on doc prescribed trt. I report to him for labs and chit chat about every 7 months. This allows me to cycle 3ish months (Usually 12-14 weeks) and cruise 3ish months. Like mentioned, at first you will be monitored for a bit and will have to fly the straight and narrow. For me it was a pretty fast process as they put me on 100mg weekly and told me to come back in a few weeks for labs. Being that I respond well and 100mg puts me in the 800s that’s where he left my dose and told me to see him in 6 months. After he tells me that though I get to discuss with the receptionist on a date that works for both of us and I usually push it out to right at 7 months.

Honestly though, I’ve made my best gainz while strictly just taking trt and not cycling. I’m actually stepping on a stage in a few weeks and haven’t cycled since October. Trt gainz aren’t like cycle gainz. You keep what you earn as long as you stay consistent of course.

To touch on the family deal. Going legit with a doctor will shut everyone up. For as long as I can remember I’ve been asked if I’m on steroids and I have denied denied denied. Now I tell them, yep and I get it from Walgreens you fuck. Seriously though, just a while back I had this talk with a coworker. He’s one of those, “because you’re taking testosterone you’re jacked” I simply told him that my naturally testosterone levels were below 200 on multiple labs and my prescription brings me to 800. Then I go on to say I bet if you pull labs your natural production may be equal or higher than my synthetic level and ask him why he isn’t jacked.


Anywho, for years I feared going to see a doc. Was the simplest best decision ever. I can travel anywhere with it, leave it in plain sight at the house and not have to worry and most importantly, it gave me a better quality of life.

The fact that you still make solid gains on TRT at your size and level of physique has just fucked my day lol.

I need to start training harder hahaha

 

[B Ware]

The fact that you still make solid gains on TRT at your size and level of physique has just fucked my day lol.

I need to start training harder hahaha

Gotta do what you gotta do Bud. The plan was to start my blast February 2nd for my up coming show but then the world shut down so I came off after only 3 weeks of being on. Roughly 1.5 months later the gyms here opened back up but I couldn’t jump back on as that wouldn’t of gave me enough recovery time before seeing my Urologist (trt doc). It’s important to me to do trt with a medical professional as I need to be monitored since prostrate cancer runs in my family. Plus actually having a script for testosterone, hcg, cialis and nolva is awesome and super cheap through insurance. Also my doc’s NP touches my nips and my balls just about every visit and I always look forward to that