Who here has made the choice of never having kids?

[Bodybuilder26]

How many here have made the choice of not wanting or ever having kids and what is your reason behind it?

I'm 26 and some say although I have time to have them in the future I don't think I will ever have them...there is just way to much happening in the world nowadays and who knows how they will turn out...life is just complicated nowadays too.

And another reason is I have never met anybody that I have ever liked and I don't think that will ever happen either so no kids for me? I think I would just rather try to live my life to the fullest?

How about you guys?

 

[Logan44551]

How many here have made the choice of not wanting or ever having kids and what is your reason behind it?

I'm 26 and some say although I have time to have them in the future I don't think I will ever have them...there is just way to much happening in the world nowadays and who knows how they will turn out...life is just complicated nowadays too.

And another reason is I have never met anybody that I have ever liked and I don't think that will ever happen either so no kids for me? I think I would just rather try to live my life to the fullest?

How about you guys?

You're only 26, opinions change over time. I wouldn't go out and get a vasectomy. Anyhow, it's definitely a personal choice.

 

[Francois]

I have never wanted children in my life, in my almost 50 years I have never even once considered it.

Here's what it did for me, it allowed me to save up so much money that I was able to quit my career at the ripe old age of 46 with enough money to last me to my death at 95 if I make it. I have never been stressed over money, I have never had a bill I couldn't pay, I have never felt the urge to wastefully spend money on anything to impress others. I saved and invested over and over and over.

It's called Antinatalism, the philosophical position that life is a zero sum game, that birth is a negative, you will have far more negative than positive experiences in the form of pleasure and pain during your life and the more responsibilities(having a child) the far worse this balance becomes. There is nothing noble about having kids, they simply aren't needed.

Life is a Cheddar Chasing game, that's all it is.

You the rat are placed in front of a maze and told to run it for your cheedar. The longer the maze and more complicated it is the bigger the cheddar reward waiting for you. That's your adult life, you won't realize this while you're young full of piss and vinegar, but you will realize this when you are heading towards 40 and beyond.

Having children especially for women is purely instinct, they are hormonally driven towards this goal. Mate, spawn, raise their young and die.

You ultimately have a moral responsibility to not bring into the world people that will be unhappy, and you are under no moral obligation to bring anyone into this world.

All life is suffering to different degrees, sure the rich man/women is sheltered from some pain and misery of the poor, but even the rich man will put a noose around his neck to escape the misery of this world as is evident by the number of rich famous talented people that have offed themselves.

The more aware and conscience you become, the more you see through the bullshit, the more bleak each passing day becomes.

Welcome to reality.

 

[Francois]

Let me also say this. If you aren't serious about understanding reality, then you are in no position to push others into the world so they can follow in your path.

In other words if you're still kicking and flailing trying to figure out what all this shit means, you as a thinking person really owe it to any future potential beings not to subject them to the same misery for the mere sake of selfish gratification, as this is an abuse of power and you are unable to obtain the consent of the life you want to bring into existence.

Why do we exist, pleasure seeking, hedonism in a back drop of mundane routines experienced over and over and over until the quite desperation swallows you up in a mountain of boredom and tedious undertakings to have that one tiny drop of ecstasy as you bust a nut in your women.

You can avoid all this, you can not have a child, you can figure out how to stop making the same mistake others have made and do with this life the ultimate task of productive destruction, where you try your damnedest to figure out how to escape the problems that have plagued mankind for far too long.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I'm almost 37 and being a parent never seemed appealing to me. Quite a few reasons why, but mostly it's a time and money commitment I'm just not willing to make plus a lot of stress I don't want. Have given it plenty of thought over the years and it's absolutely 100% not for me.

 

[Francois]

Another consideration is the plight of modern man.

For at least the past 100-200 years man has noticed that he has no mastery over a women. In other words the relationship only goes skin deep. He finds that he has very few things in common with women and since western women are no longer interested in domestication alone this has made the opposite sex arrogant and overbearing and this is often times unbearable to any man that can see this truth staring him in the face everyday he exist in a relationship.

A mans goal in life is often to gain mastery over himself in some capacity and direct that energy into a skill, art, talent, gift. Women seem to naturally rank and treat those around them according to which man they deem the one they would like to control. In other words a women seems to want to master the man of her choice and live life through this man, but in turn often treat everyone else around her as inferior with condescension since they don't meet her standards.

Can modern young men today accept these terms that have been handed to them and pretend there isn't a problem.

Is there even a reason to enter into a long term relationship with a women or do something legally catastrophic like marriage or child support for 18+ years?

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Another consideration is the plight of modern man.

For at least the past 100-200 years man has noticed that he has no mastery over a women. In other words the relationship only goes skin deep. He finds that he has very few things in common with women and since western women are no longer interested in domestication alone this has made the opposite sex arrogant and overbearing and this is often times unbearable to any man that can see this truth staring him in the face everyday he exist in a relationship.

A mans goal in life is often to gain mastery over himself in some capacity and direct that energy into a skill, art, talent, gift. Women seem to naturally rank and treat those around them according to which man they deem the one they would like to control. In other words a women seems to want to master the man of her choice and live life through this man, but in turn often treat everyone else around her as inferior with condescension since they don't meet her standards.

Can modern young men today accept these terms that have been handed to them and pretend there isn't a problem.

Is there even a reason to enter into a long term relationship with a women or do something legally catastrophic like marriage or child support for 18+ years?

man im astonished... i have the fuckin same thoughts about every fuckin damn you think you said... from antinatalism to the rest..

I dont wanna bring some matter to life... life is a fuckin curse and don’t understand why all the madness of subatomic particles, electrons, gravitons etc lead only to pain. If we couldnt feel pain, then everything would be ok. But we are definitely born to suffer.

i agree about stupid women’s pure instinct... nature did select idiot people to keep going... if everyone was like “us” no one would ever suffer anymore... fuckin goddamn i hate the universe as a pantheist...

my buggest fear is that “we” as just self conscious matter, will “live” for ever and ever in this no time and space fuckin universe.. without even being conscious about it of course.. universe will expand more and more till its collapse, than another big bang and will keep going... i would be just leave the universe and dont have anything to do with life fuckin never... but I think “we” are all damned...

fuck , next life maybe “I” (as a piece of universe) would be an average Joe or a fuckin stupid women.. And i hate that... i would run out of the universe and dont being brought to life any fuckin more... but thats not possible for sure..

i envy a lot the vegetables, the wood, my dog, some birds like eagles / hawks... the sharks... would be just something like that for ever... i would even be a fuckin piece of carbon far from this planet

 

[Abt]

A kid is literally my only big life goal, i dont even want a family, just a kid.

 

[Francois]

A kid is literally my only big life goal, i dont even want a family, just a kid.

A women is gonna come along for the ride and you're not gonna be able to choose the sex so you could get stuck with a girl. I can possibly see a grown man wanting a son to hang out with, but times are more complicated, the days of a father and son working together, passing on a skill and watching your son grow into a man those days are kind of over. Society will now want to meddle in your sons life to make sure he gets the proper amount of social conditioning(brainwashing) to be acceptable.

 

[Biggerarms22]

@Francois you sound like a sociopath.
@FROZ3N-BOMB34 you sound suicidal man.

Nothing you guys are saying makes you cool. It almost feels like you guys are trying to sound cool or something. Life is beautiful, if you allow it to be. There's a lot in life that's just fucking beautiful. You've got to get your head right frozen.

Francois I'm sorry for you. You sound bitter as fuck. Angry. I just say to you maybe open up more. Relax.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I mean your guys outlook I can understand but I just can't relate. I have kids and it is really hard. My biggest accomplishments and regrets mostly come from being a parent. I love the fact I get an opportunity to shape good humans. We get so downtrodden about all the things of world and times we can only change ourselves but if your a parent can raise good humans to go out into the world. I think the meaning of life is to be selfless.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

@Francois you sound like a sociopath.
@FROZ3N-BOMB34 you sound suicidal man.

Nothing you guys are saying makes you cool. It almost feels like you guys are trying to sound cool or something. Life is beautiful, if you allow it to be. There's a lot in life that's just fucking beautiful. You've got to get your head right frozen.

Francois I'm sorry for you. You sound bitter as fuck. Angry. I just say to you maybe open up more. Relax.

life would be good if there werent the bad people that unluckily who are There...

Dont wanna sound cool.. wanna just feel better replying to some messages that i m totally agree with..

Since i dont wanna ruin your happy view of the world, i wont share with you in detail the reason i have to hate humanity. Youre lucky man, keep enjoyin your life, seriously, i m too sensitive and emotional to enjoy this planet.

i read that the people who has to censore video on facebook went depressed and insane, watching terrible vids about evil people. I m proud to dont like this world, happiness is for fools.

How china treats dogs, what that piece of shit of Kim Jong does, what Chinese dictatorship does, what muslim does, what pedos does, what bad people do to animals, and i could keep going for hours. I ll leave you all , all the happiness and love for life you need.
I Think you are good people, and hope you dont do bad things to anybody, and thats all that matters. Cheers

 

[Francois]

@Francois you sound like a sociopath.
@FROZ3N-BOMB34 you sound suicidal man.

Nothing you guys are saying makes you cool. It almost feels like you guys are trying to sound cool or something. Life is beautiful, if you allow it to be. There's a lot in life that's just fucking beautiful. You've got to get your head right frozen.

Francois I'm sorry for you. You sound bitter as fuck. Angry. I just say to you maybe open up more. Relax.

The Antinatalist argument is almost impossible to refute, I've heard and read professional philosophers admit they can't defeat the argument. The only group that really wants to challenge it without actually doing so are smug christians with their mythical god that can't be proven giving them a false sense of objective purpose in life, namely to multiply and populate the planet with other miserable beings(remember christianity/judaism is based on the concept that we are all fallen and cursed to work the land, toil our lives away, and have painful childbirth....original sin).

A sociopath is someone that has no empathy for others. That is clearly not me, if anything I have too much empathy as I want people left alone, I get quite upset when I see others suffering needlessly because some fuckheads have taken it upon themselves to terrorize and abuse, I always err on the side of the underdog, I champion their cause, I don't like seeing people in mental anguish, I despise bullies.

The reason I don't bring a kid into this world is simple. I haven't solved my own problems, why would I bring someone else into the world if I don't have the solutions. None of us have the solution so why bother. Until we live in a world like you see in star trek where you push a button and your needs are taken care of, I don't see the need in dropping some scared crying infant into the world, slapping his ass, sticking him with needles, slicing off his foreskin, force him to go through indoctrination and sending him off to a lifetime of work where he will curse his existence.

 

[Btcowboy]

I guess you could say I made the choice to not have kids in the sense of kids of my own. I married a woman 21 years ago, with 3 kids and raised them as my own and have zero regrets.

 

[Francois]

I mean your guys outlook I can understand but I just can't relate. I have kids and it is really hard. My biggest accomplishments and regrets mostly come from being a parent. I love the fact I get an opportunity to shape good humans. We get so downtrodden about all the things of world and times we can only change ourselves but if your a parent can raise good humans to go out into the world. I think the meaning of life is to be selfless.

If you were selfless then why would you want to have kids. I mean if you are considering your desire, namely to have a child then wouldn't that be a completely selfish desire that centers around you.

You can't ask the kid you create if they wanted to exist.

I'll admit if I could push the button that causes instant erasing of my existence I would actually do it. Now that I'm here and have others that sort of depend on me I stick around as a duty to them, but there is no denying the existential nihilist thoughts running through my skull especially as I age and see the same old shit over and over, desperate for a new insight, but sadly there just isn't, no matter what I do, what I read I feel like I've seen it, I've heard it.

 

[ToastEater]

I was married before. We decided not to have kids 100%. We were together 15 years. Long story but I left that marriage. Found a girl who ALSO was with someone who she had committed to not having kids with. Then at the ripe at of 38, after 5 years together, we decided we wanted kids together. You do you bro. Trust your gut. My kids are now 4&5.5. They’re the BEST thing I’ve ever done. It’s the MOST fulfilling thing I’ve ever done. I’ve NEVER found anything more rewarding. But before I was in THIS relationship with THIS girl, I can’t say it would have been so positive as it’s been for me in my first marriage. I’m truly blessed and thankful I didn’t rush it just because.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

@Francois you sound like a sociopath.
@FROZ3N-BOMB34 you sound suicidal man.

Nothing you guys are saying makes you cool. It almost feels like you guys are trying to sound cool or something. Life is beautiful, if you allow it to be. There's a lot in life that's just fucking beautiful. You've got to get your head right frozen.

Francois I'm sorry for you. You sound bitter as fuck. Angry. I just say to you maybe open up more. Relax.

Sworder... I mean @Francois (as he is going by for the next two weeks) just likes to throw out crazy counter arguments to bait attention. Who knows why he does it.

 

[Mdrock98]

Haven't found the broad too. I'm an old school dego, so our wedding would have to have Italian cookies with the tarentella playing. Haha. Hard to find this day n' age. I can't just knock up any broad up, you know.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Sworder... I mean @Francois (as he is going by for the next two weeks) just likes to throw out crazy counter arguments to bait attention. Who knows why he does it.

His arguments here totally make sense.. you could not agree with them, but thats his point of view and exactly mine... i personally dont like this kind of attention... dont think even Francois loves to be considered a weird person just because like me dont love human existence.
I would love to be a hawk, an eagle, a lion, a wolf, and i think i would share the life experience with another living being that I brought to life... assuming i could reason being an animal... i would like to bring him to life because it would be a great experience... but the odds that human life would be so great are way lower than eagles etc ones.

simply, i dont care if you think me and Francois are sick/mad/whatever... maybe you all need to think that to reinforce the genuinity of your point of view... neither me or Francois have felt the need to point out your love feeling to life and judge you... we just exposed our thoughts, because OP asked... i wont judge you because you love life and you dont feel bad about evil people and ugly life dynamics.. power to you all... ask yourself why you re judging our counter current thinking.. I couldnt care less about judgin who s happy about life... don t give a shit about life and about the fact some love it..

I love sex... skydiving... food.. bodybuilding.. and i dont like people who make other suffer.. i hate war... i hate dictators.. i hate the modern slavery and old one.. i hate a lot of things that prevent me to love human life...

 

[Francois]

Sworder... I mean @Francois (as he is going by for the next two weeks) just likes to throw out crazy counter arguments to bait attention. Who knows why he does it.

All of my arguments have been arrived at through constant questions, searching and I'm still searching for the ultimate answer. Nothing crazy about this, it's just not the mundane mainstream. I'm that annoying guy that asks "why" when you state you believe something and continue to ask why until I have torn down everything you believe in.