Need help with brew questions

[Dgod]

I'm looking for pointers and tips from the vets out there who have been doing this a long time who are willing to share the knowledge,
My biggest question is out of a batch of 20 why am I getting a single random cloudy one when all others are golden n holding great,n like wise a whole batch of mastp went slightly cloudy
Please help, I'm just trying to do right by my close circle who are tired of sub par gear
Thank u in advance to those who help

 

[Eman]

It could be air bubbles or moisture. Hard to say.

 

[Dgod]

True, so air bubbles can cause cloudiness, only air bubbles where from filling it, but most to all Seattle, when I reheated n refiltered it cleared up but eventually went cloudy again ,I also added more bb to make sure but didnt help, r u willing to share what recipes u use my only problem so far is confirming tempt to bring them all to when I put the raw n the bb and then when adding oil

 

[Thegreek]

@Dgod list the compounds you brewed. The ratios and your process. If you added something after the brew list that separately.

 

[Dgod]

Tren a
Sust
Test e
Test c
Deca
Npp
Mast p
Test prop
Eq
Almost all of them a followed a 3% to 20% ratio ba to bb
Most tempts ranged in the 120 to the 160 range but I dissolved raws completely in bb first or at least a believed I did then added oil and continued to heat on my stirring hotplate keeping an eye on the temp with my thermometer. Keeping the mix going for at least 20 to 30 min.
Pressure cooked all vials and rubbed ports and then baked the vials in the oven at 350 for 30 min in small foil wraps to keep sterilized n to eliminate all water present.
After mix I bottle top filter them at roughly 140 ton160 tempt n then bottled.
I have had maybe 2 npp and most of the mast go slightly to barely at all cloudy, it did get cold to mid 40 in my house the next to days after wars n am starting to think that the issue cause I did an experiment to check cloudiness n but them n my closet that I keep at roughly 70 to 75 degrees for other very specific reason lol n the mast was no longer cloudy bit I'll check again n the morning, I am looking for better tips or recipes if anyone is willing to share their knowledge even though I know it's hard to get anyone to do so
Thanks

 

[Thegreek]

Tren a
Sust
Test e
Test c
Deca
Npp
Mast p
Test prop
Eq
Almost all of them a followed a 3% to 20% ratio ba to bb
Most tempts ranged in the 120 to the 160 range but I dissolved raws completely in bb first or at least a believed I did then added oil and continued to heat on my stirring hotplate keeping an eye on the temp with my thermometer. Keeping the mix going for at least 20 to 30 min.
Pressure cooked all vials and rubbed ports and then baked the vials in the oven at 350 for 30 min in small foil wraps to keep sterilized n to eliminate all water present.
After mix I bottle top filter them at roughly 140 ton160 tempt n then bottled.
I have had maybe 2 npp and most of the mast go slightly to barely at all cloudy, it did get cold to mid 40 in my house the next to days after wars n am starting to think that the issue cause I did an experiment to check cloudiness n but them n my closet that I keep at roughly 70 to 75 degrees for other very specific reason lol n the mast was no longer cloudy bit I'll check again n the morning, I am looking for better tips or recipes if anyone is willing to share their knowledge even though I know it's hard to get anyone to do so
Thanks

Pretty solid method. I usually use 1/18 or 2/18 BA/bb but nothing wrong with what you did. Could be a temp issue. I use a stove top and a pan. No water. And just rewarm all the cloudy vials. Then store them at room temp for a few days and check to see if they went cloudy. Don’t need that much BA/bb for EQ and test e. Let anything that you bake in the oven come back down to room temp in the oven. Sometimes it’s possible to get a little condensation if you pull them out hot and let them cool out in the open. Same thing with heating them. Make sure they are definitely baked dry.

 

[Dgod]

Pretty solid method. I usually use 1/18 or 2/18 BA/bb but nothing wrong with what you did. Could be a temp issue. I use a stove top and a pan. No water. And just rewarm all the cloudy vials. Then store them at room temp for a few days and check to see if they went cloudy. Don’t need that much BA/bb for EQ and test e. Let anything that you bake in the oven come back down to room temp in the oven. Sometimes it’s possible to get a little condensation if you pull them out hot and let them cool out in the open. Same thing with heating them. Make sure they are definitely baked dry.

Most def,first what amount for eq or test e do u suggest causenibread something like that before but wanst clear,2nd I actually baked them twice cause we didnt get around to bottling the first day so I re heated them again but most def let them come down to room temp cause they where f ing hot. Td hats also why I love my lab hot plate n stirer combo,well worth dont have to mess with water baths just simple stir n heat,but now my boy just sent me his old dry heat sterlizer from his old shop so no more PC n even shananagones lol,3rd, u mind sharing your cook temps n hold times

 

[Thegreek]

Most def,first what amount for eq or test e do u suggest causenibread something like that before but wanst clear,2nd I actually baked them twice cause we didnt get around to bottling the first day so I re heated them again but most def let them come down to room temp cause they where f ing hot. Td hats also why I love my lab hot plate n stirer combo,well worth dont have to mess with water baths just simple stir n heat,but now my boy just sent me his old dry heat sterlizer from his old shop so no more PC n even shananagones lol,3rd, u mind sharing your cook temps n hold times

1/10 2/10 on the test e and EQ. I’m pretty sure you don’t even need BB on the EQ but that would be like pinning motor oil. Pretty much 2/18 is the standard. It just keeps things simple. Primo 200 you might want to bump to 20. I use very little heat. Do what you are doing. Dissolve as best you can with the BA and bb and then add warm oil to the needed amount and just bring it up to 140-160. It’s not needed. Just helps. Like washing dishes. You can wash dishes in soap and cold water but add a little heat and it just gets easier.

 

[Dgod]

1/10 2/10 on the test e and EQ. I’m pretty sure you don’t even need BB on the EQ but that would be like pinning motor oil. Pretty much 2/18 is the standard. It just keeps things simple. Primo 200 you might want to bump to 20. I use very little heat. Do what you are doing. Dissolve as best you can with the BA and bb and then add warm oil to the needed amount and just bring it up to 140-160. It’s not needed. Just helps. Like washing dishes. You can wash dishes in soap and cold water but add a little heat and it just gets easier.

I like it, I also read that alcohol ba starts dissolving at those tempts n it's best to add ba at the end or half n half, your thoughts cause that's what I started doing my self, I know tren dosnt like heat over 120 but takes so long to filter at that heat 160 seems to be legit like 5 min flat to filter at that heat. And r u saying u heat your oil up n put it in heated cause i have been warming up the bb n raw to break it down completely n then I add the oil n bring it back up again to the temp mark. Is there anything special for short esters n tempts n receipe cause I have read alot about that as well

 

[Thegreek]

Don’t heat the solvents. I don’t use the displacement formula for compounds so I add my compound BA and BB and start stirring. After a few minutes of that I add warm oil to the level I want. I just keep stirring and putting it on and off the heat. No open flames. Hot pan or whatever. Never letting it get to hot. You really don’t need heat at all. It just helps. If it doesn’t go into solution at room temp or slightly above. It won’t hold. So the heat is just a way to speed up the process. Tren oxidizes when hot that’s where it gets it orange color from but I have plenty of tren that’s golden because I used little to no heat. For every basic compound and mg to ml ratios 2/18 is fine and no heat is needed. It just helps. It’s when you get into higher concentrations or bases or blends that higher solvent ratios. Special solvents. Heat. Start playing a role. Everything you listed can be done at 2/18. 100 to 160 heat. Less heat the better.

 

[Thegreek]

I like it, I also read that alcohol ba starts dissolving at those tempts n it's best to add ba at the end or half n half, your thoughts cause that's what I started doing my self, I know tren dosnt like heat over 120 but takes so long to filter at that heat 160 seems to be legit like 5 min flat to filter at that heat. And r u saying u heat your oil up n put it in heated cause i have been warming up the bb n raw to break it down completely n then I add the oil n bring it back up again to the temp mark. Is there anything special for short esters n tempts n receipe cause I have read alot about that as well

If you add the solvents and compound at room temp and do most of the dissolving at that temp then add the warm oil you will limit the time the solvents and compounds are exposed to the heat and there is nothing to worry about. Don’t over think it. Use common sense and logic and you’ll be fine. Keep it simple and warm and you’ll have a good product. Making sure your calculations are correct and being sterile are more important than how you mix it. Within reason.

 

[Dgod]

Don’t heat the solvents. I don’t use the displacement formula for compounds so I add my compound BA and BB and start stirring. After a few minutes of that I add warm oil to the level I want. I just keep stirring and putting it on and off the heat. No open flames. Hot pan or whatever. Never letting it get to hot. You really don’t need heat at all. It just helps. If it doesn’t go into solution at room temp or slightly above. It won’t hold. So the heat is just a way to speed up the process. Tren oxidizes when hot that’s where it gets it orange color from but I have plenty of tren that’s golden because I used little to no heat. For every basic compound and mg to ml ratios 2/18 is fine and no heat is needed. It just helps. It’s when you get into higher concentrations or bases or blends that higher solvent ratios. Special solvents. Heat. Start playing a role. Everything you listed can be done at 2/18. 100 to 160 heat. Less heat the better.

Thanks boss for that info, why dont heat the solvents, some of those compounds dont like to break down n the solvents, plus arnt u tech heating the solvents when u add warm oil to it n bringing it to 100 ton160, plus I dont heat the bb n raws to 160 just to about 80 or 100 tops to make it break down n blend better so no compound is left not suspended. And my teen came out beautiful light yellow golden color as well plus I use only mct on everything

 

[All Nats McGee]

A lot of people on here have talked about cloudy Mast. Something weird with Mast and making vials cloudy.

 

[Dgod]

No shit weird right on at least it's not me, more n more it is seeming it was the cold tempt in my house that's making it slightly cloudy cause I warmed up my house n it seemed to help. U have any tips or recipes u willing to share n compare thanks

 

[Thegreek]

Thanks boss for that info, why dont heat the solvents, some of those compounds dont like to break down n the solvents, plus arnt u tech heating the solvents when u add warm oil to it n bringing it to 100 ton160, plus I dont heat the bb n raws to 160 just to about 80 or 100 tops to make it break down n blend better so no compound is left not suspended. And my teen came out beautiful light yellow golden color as well plus I use only mct on everything

Technically you’re right but why add one more potential problem. BA and BB can evaporate and having just that and a compound in a beaker while heating temps can rise much quicker and cause burning. Nice job on the tren. That’s the way it should be done.

 

[Iron Vett]

Pretty solid method. I usually use 1/18 or 2/18 BA/bb but nothing wrong with what you did. Could be a temp issue. I use a stove top and a pan. No water. And just rewarm all the cloudy vials. Then store them at room temp for a few days and check to see if they went cloudy. Don’t need that much BA/bb for EQ and test e. Let anything that you bake in the oven come back down to room temp in the oven. Sometimes it’s possible to get a little condensation if you pull them out hot and let them cool out in the open. Same thing with heating them. Make sure they are definitely baked dry.

What oil are you using for your carrier? Also, what brand and model bottle top filter are you using?

 

[Dgod]

Technically you’re right but why add one more potential problem. BA and BB can evaporate and having just that and a compound in a beaker while heating temps can rise much quicker and cause burning. Nice job on the tren. That’s the way it should be done.

I jeep a diligent eye in my temps with my thermometer n the solution at all time with and with out heat and can control it very produce with my hotplate mixer which is lab equipment status u feel me n even then the temp is never over 100 when in the bb, but next time I'll make sure I dont raise the temp over 80 while n bb sp nothing evaporates then add my oil n raise the temps properly n I'll see how that goes n my mast is all clear now that my house stays in the 65 to 70 range, n I'll do all my numbers at 1 to 18 or 2 to 18 next time thanks for the help brother, u have any special recipes u know like tren no esters or test no esters or primo or ment

 

[Dgod]

What oil are you using for your carrier? Also, what brand and model bottle top filter are you using?

I only use mct cause that's what my people like and I'm using auto fill bottle top filter that I get for roughly 6.50 a piece cause I buy n bulk off of amazon which is the cheapest I have found so far n its .2 micron filter n works great as long as your oil temps are over 130 when u start filter, but 150 seems to work smooth like n 10 min flat verse an hour when I did it at room temp. Some time I double filter if I feel I haven't been sterilized ,I have budget to use 4 filters just in case for ever half batch of 50 gram raws

 

[Iron Vett]

I only use mct cause that's what my people like and I'm using auto fill bottle top filter that I get for roughly 6.50 a piece cause I buy n bulk off of amazon which is the cheapest I have found so far n its .2 micron filter n works great as long as your oil temps are over 130 when u start filter, but 150 seems to work smooth like n 10 min flat verse an hour when I did it at room temp. Some time I double filter if I feel I haven't been sterilized ,I have budget to use 4 filters just in case for ever half batch of 50 gram raws

The reason I asked you which model filter you were using was to see if their funnel portions are made from polystyrene. I have warned others before that it seems like these type filters break down and the solution becomes cloudy since polystyrene is now solubilized in it. You can tell if your filter funnel is breaking down because it will become sticky to the touch after filtering. Some people were having trouble with this while others didn’t seem to. I know that I was using mct when I figured out what was going on and am curious if other carrier oils breakdown the polystyrene as well.

 

[Thegreek]

What oil are you using for your carrier? Also, what brand and model bottle top filter are you using?

What’s up buddy. How ya been. I’m not sure if you meant to ask me that but I use millipore pvdf .22 filter and safflower oil.