Thinking of using deca for the first time. Looking for some insight.

Day #1 of 5’s realization week
Bench
Bar x 20
140lbs x 10
175lbs x 5
210lbs x 3
245lbs x 2
265lbs x 1
280lbs x 1(wraps used for the rest of my sets)
300lbs x 8(sleeves used)went for 9 and failed

incline barbell
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
185lbs x 3
205lbs x 8
230lbs x 5(wraps used for the rest of my sets)
260lbs x 8(sleeves used)

Dips
bodyweight x 15
Bodyweight+45lbs x 15
Bodyweight+65lbs x 12

Dumbbell fly
70lbs x 15,15

Pulldowns
90lbs x 15
140lbs x 10
Pull-ups
Bodyweight+55lbs x 8,7,7

chins
Bodyweight+55lbs x 9,9,8

chest supported dumbbell rows
100lbs x 10,10,10,9

Dumbbell hammer curls
45lbs x 13,12

dumbbell lateral raises
45lbs x 12,10

tri press downs using red mini bands
2 x 20

First things, first. I was legit pissed off with 8 today on bench. I wanted 10 and failed at 9(thank god for safety pins). I guess it was wishful thinking. Also, my theory of possibly getting 315lbs for 8 is now out the fucking window. The thought was if I had 300 for 10 than I would have 315 for 8. I wanted to pull 455lbs for ten tomorrow but judging by today’s session, it’s probably not going to happen. I cut a couple of sets short a set. Instead of 3 sets I did 2 of flys, hammer curls, and lateral raises because I was short on time. I also wanted another set of dips at 65lbs but decided not to.

The two days off were good. My calorie intake was good and remained high. I caught up on some sleep and spent quality time with the wifey that turned out to be amazing. ED problem seems to be less than what it once was but still doesn’t feel the same. I am thinking about sex all of the time though.

The wifey is about two weeks in now on her var run and her libido is definitely starting to increase like it usually does. Her strength increases have not kicked in yet but her body composition paired along with her diet is making her look better and better by the day. She started a couple of weeks ago and was 144lbs. She is currently already at 140lbs. She put on a lot of muscle I believe over the past couple of months and am excited to see her shed the fat and expose the new muscle that she has built.

My diet has been relatively the same for the past couple of weeks and my weigh-ins continue to trend upwards so I will not change anything there. I am appearing a bit more bloated and less defined so I guess take the good with the bad. Thinking of maybe doing a cut around June. Everything right now regarding that though is up in the air.
 
Day #2 of 5’s realization week
Deads
Bar x 10
135lbs x 10
215lbs x 5
270lbs x 5
320lbs x 3
375lbs x 2
400lbs x 1
430lbs x 1(beltless weight PR)
455lbs x 8(belted rep PR)

SSB front squat
135lbs x 5
225lbs x 8
255lbs x 5(sleeves and a belt used for the rest of my sets)
290lbs x 9

Good mornings
185lbs x 10
205lbs x 10
225lbs x 10

lying leg curls
80lbs x 8,8,8

modified candlesticks
Bodyweight x 25,25,25

So, I didn’t reach the 10 reps at 455lbs that I wanted. I did rep PR for 8. The most reps I ever Had previously with 455lbs was 7. It’s only one more, but fuck it, I’ll take it. Cracked open a new bottle of ammonia for that set and it hit pretty fucking hard. Forgot just how intense a new bottle is lol. Today’s session was okay.

Side affect-wise. I didn’t think much of it two nights ago, but then and last night I have been having some wicked night sweats. Almost reminiscent of tren night sweats. I thought it was just the heat being on too high or possibly too many blankets two nights ago, but it happened again last night and immediately felt like it was tren night sweats. It took a little longer to appear in my run compared to my tren run but I am getting them. I am starting to wonder if nandrolone based compounds are what the cause is for me. My sheets were fucking drenched last night. I was always told that it was due to high carbs prior to bedtime but my carb intake is usually not that high around bed time.

My hands still feel a bit swollen but not as bad as they were. I am still feeling a bit bloated and am definitely losing some definition in my stomach area. I have a couple more weeks left on this run and will try and make the most of what is left. My mid day weight was around 202 so by tomorrow morning weigh-in I am thinking I will probably be around 199.
 
AMRAPs are pretty taxing plus you're doing them pretty frequently. I bet if you were to take a deload week at the end of this training cycle you'd be stronger than you think you are now. Fatigue masks fitness as they say.

If I do a deadlift AMRAP one week my strength will still be down 7 days later. Or a squat AMRAP in the same week would affect it as well.
 
After this week is over, I have three weeks left for this program and then it is a deload week. I generally don’t take any deload weeks when I blast because I guess fear of wasting a cycle.

I am actually supposed to deload after every realization week in the juggernaut program. That is exactly what I do when I am just running my trt dose. I will usually do 3 sets of 40%, 50%, and 60% for five reps. The accessory exercise is generally always done at 3 sets of ten at 50%.

Do you normally do a deload week when blasting?
I will take whatever advice I can get from the more experienced members.
 
After this week is over, I have three weeks left for this program and then it is a deload week. I generally don’t take any deload weeks when I blast because I guess fear of wasting a cycle.

I am actually supposed to deload after every realization week in the juggernaut program. That is exactly what I do when I am just running my trt dose. I will usually do 3 sets of 40%, 50%, and 60% for five reps. The accessory exercise is generally always done at 3 sets of ten at 50%.

Do you normally do a deload week when blasting?
I will take whatever advice I can get from the more experienced members.

Generally I'm blasting to do a meet at the end or at least go for some kind of PR. I deload the week before starting and then deload meet week or the week before attempting a PR. I wouldn't really plan one for mid blast, but I've taken a deload week mid blast just because I could tell I'd pushed too hard. Sudden and significant drops in performance, dreading training instead of looking forward to it, more aches and pains, etc.

Doesn't really sound like you're there if you're still hitting PRs. I'm talking like something you could normally hit for 5+ reps is suddenly an RPE 10 set of 2. I'll usually consider one off day a fluke, but having several when I'm deep in a blast and my other factors like rest and nutrition are on point tells me a deload is needed.

But I just meant you're probably a little overreached, which isn't bad. Those numbers would probably be there after a deload. If it was me I wouldn't take the scheduled deload weeks of a program during a blast unless it was the end of whatever program I was running and I was going to max or go for a rep PR. Unless it was like a really long program and it made sense to do so for the program to work as it should. If that makes sense lol. A lot of programs are designed for natties and they need more deloads than someone on gear.

I guess what I'm saying is it would depend on the situation. When does your blast end and what is the training like after this deload? If it's the end of the blast and you're going to max or go for rep PRs I'd say do the deload 100%. If not and you don't feel like you need one then no.
 
Generally I'm blasting to do a meet at the end or at least go for some kind of PR. I deload the week before starting and then deload meet week or the week before attempting a PR. I wouldn't really plan one for mid blast, but I've taken a deload week mid blast just because I could tell I'd pushed too hard. Sudden and significant drops in performance, dreading training instead of looking forward to it, more aches and pains, etc.

Doesn't really sound like you're there if you're still hitting PRs. I'm talking like something you could normally hit for 5+ reps is suddenly an RPE 10 set of 2. I'll usually consider one off day a fluke, but having several when I'm deep in a blast and my other factors like rest and nutrition are on point tells me a deload is needed.

But I just meant you're probably a little overreached, which isn't bad. Those numbers would probably be there after a deload. If it was me I wouldn't take the scheduled deload weeks of a program during a blast unless it was the end of whatever program I was running and I was going to max or go for a rep PR. Unless it was like a really long program and it made sense to do so for the program to work as it should. If that makes sense lol. A lot of programs are designed for natties and they need more deloads than someone on gear.

I guess what I'm saying is it would depend on the situation. When does your blast end and what is the training like after this deload? If it's the end of the blast and you're going to max or go for rep PRs I'd say do the deload 100%. If not and you don't feel like you need one then no.
Ok cool. I should also clarify the meaning of “weeks”. My workout week is 6 days on and 2 days off, so it is essentially an 8 day week. So 24 days instead of 21, not really that big of a difference. Going to go ahead and plan a deload when the program is over then. My run pretty much ends when the program ends. My last week has me doing 90% for at least 3+ reps and my accessories are at 95% for at least 1+ reps. I was thinking of going off program a bit and maybe doing a Jim Wendler style joker set on my 3’s realization week. Especially if I hit 90% for more than five reps. I was thinking of maybe doing a 100% of my training max for a single. I’m not exactly sure yet.

As for after the program and the deload I was thinking of maybe doing the jailhouse strong 8x8 powerlifting off season program. It is basically a hypertrophy block for 8 weeks. It is either that or taking the scheduled deload and starting the juggernaut method all over again with a higher training max. So let’s say I end up with 495 for five on my next deads realization week, which is the “3’s” phase, I would plug it in like this: The reps I got minus the reps required(5-3=2) x 5. That would equal 10. I would take that 10 and add it to my training max which is 550. So my total would be 560 and I would then take 90% of that, which would be 505, and use that as my new training max. So essentially my deadlift training max for this block started out at 475 and at the end of 13-14 weeks it would now be 505.

I hope I didn’t lose you in the explanation. I will post a pic of the formula that Chad Wesley Smith uses for the program.
 
No, I get it. +35lbs on any lift is good for a blast. I'd be ecstatic with that on anything.

The first time I pulled 600lbs I did a 495x8 AMRAP and 465x10 right around that time. I'd say you're not far off, mid to high 500's range I'd say. If it was me going for a max single I wouldn't do the AMRAP first to conserve energy for the max. I always do my AMRAPs the following week after a meet or max attempt while I'm still basically deloaded and the gear is hasn't left my system yet. Since I'm more concerned about 1RM and the AMRAP is more just for fun.
 
No, I get it. +35lbs on any lift is good for a blast. I'd be ecstatic with that on anything.

The first time I pulled 600lbs I did a 495x8 AMRAP and 465x10 right around that time. I'd say you're not far off, mid to high 500's range I'd say. If it was me going for a max single I wouldn't do the AMRAP first to conserve energy for the max. I always do my AMRAPs the following week after a meet or max attempt while I'm still basically deloaded and the gear is hasn't left my system yet. Since I'm more concerned about 1RM and the AMRAP is more just for fun.

I didn’t really think about it that way(doing the AMRAP the following week). 600 would be great but I know I am nowhere near that. Like you said, mid 5’s is realistic. I was thinking 545 which would be an all time weight PR. I attempted it once at 191lbs bodyweight and failed. It was right after a 515 single. I know it is a big jumb from 515 but I was pretty confident that day and thought I had it. I probably got it up around 4-5 inches from the floor and then bailed.
 
I mean deca is pretty typical I would suggest starting out on 150-250 without an AI to see how you feel. Your mg of test is fucking odd as hell. And Deca over NPP for what you’re going for is pretty debatable, because NPP gets you the deca results in half the time and would probably be safer to use when figuring out any effects and potential side effects of this hormone category.
 
I mean deca is pretty typical I would suggest starting out on 150-250 without an AI to see how you feel. Your mg of test is fucking odd as hell. And Deca over NPP for what you’re going for is pretty debatable, because NPP gets you the deca results in half the time and would probably be safer to use when figuring out any effects and potential side effects of this hormone category.

I guess you didn’t really take the time to read the entire thread. I am well into my blast already and everything that you have just written about is pretty much pointless right now.

Not trying to be a dick either but this is your second post and you decide to post this?
 
I guess you didn’t really take the time to read the entire thread. I am well into my blast already and everything that you have just written about is pretty much pointless right now.

Not trying to be a dick either but this is your second post and you decide to post this?
It’s my opinion, especially in case someone else comes in with the same concern not blasting (and even as a blast the mg of test is fucking odd). The post doesn’t just apply to you specifically princess
 
Day #3 of 5’s realization week
198.4lbs
Press
Bar x 20
85lbs x 10
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 3
150lbs x 2
160lbs x 1
170lbs x 1(wraps used for the rest of my sets)
185lbs x 9(sleeves used) rep PR

Close grip bench
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
185lbs x 3
205lbs x 8
230lbs x 5(wraps used for the rest of my sets)
260lbs x 11(sleeves used)

Cable cross
75lbs x 15,14,13

Barbell curl
Bar x 20
65lbs x 10
95lbs x 5
130lbs x 9,8,7,6

Tri pressdowns(rope)
55lbs x 20
90lbs x 20
125lbs x 20,20

Barbell upright rows
Bar x 10
95lbs x 5
135lbs x 3
165lbs x 8,7

Not a bad day at all. Happy with the rep PR and felt stronger at the barbell curl than previous weeks. Muscles felt really tight and hard after today’s session. Weight didn’t go up as much as I thought it would but still trending upward. Dosing and diet is still all the same. Still feeling a bit bloated but everything else seems ok. Hands still feel swollen when making a fist. I am starting to wonder if this won’t go away until i stop the mk677. It is a bit annoying. I filmed my AMRAP set of presses and my back is looking pretty fucking massive in the video. Happy about that even though my weight hasn’t gone up dramatically.
 
Day #4 of 5’s realization week
Barbell row
Bar x 20
135lbs x 10
185lbs x 8
225lbs x 3
260lbs x 15,13,12(straps used)

One arm dumbbell row
125lbs x 14,14,13

Lat pulldowns
90lbs x 10
140lbs x 5
230lbs x 10,9,9,8

Incline dumbbell curl
45lbs x 12,11,11

Rear dumbbell lateral raises
45lbs x 14,14,12

Barbell shrug
135lbs x 15
225lbs x 10
315lbs x 10(straps used for the rest of my sets)
365lbs x 10,10
385lbs x 8

Not a bad day. I pinned my right VG yesterday and have a bit of PIP today. I am thinking again that I moved the pin too much during the inject. During today’s session I felt the dreaded back pumps while doing the one arm dumbbell rows and had to take some time during today’s session to get them under control before moving on to the next sets. I will most likely be incorporating 3-5 grams of taurine in my preworkout shake and as well as my bedtime casein shake.
 
Day #5 of 5’s realization week
198.6lbs

Squat
Bar x 10
135lbs x 10
195lbs x 5
245lbs x 5
290lbs x 3(sleeves used for the rest of my sets)
340lbs x 2
365lbs x 1
390lbs x 1(belt used for the rest of my sets)
410lbs x 9

Stiff leg deficit deads
Bar x 10
135lbs x 5
225lbs x 3
285lbs x 8
325lbs x 5(belt used for the rest of my sets)
365lbs x 5

Leg press
360lbs x 10,10,10

Standing calf raise
240lbs x 12,12,12,9

Holy back pump fucking hell. Back pumps were awful today. Had to slow down dramatically during today’s session and take much longer breaks. I was supposed to do planks today too but there was no way that was going to happen being that my back was so tight. I have gotten 405lbs for ten before so I was thinking that it would be close today. Everything else seems ok. My weight is not shooting up as fast as I would like it to so I am thinking of making more adjustments to my diet.

The wife complimented me today saying my body comp was looking better but still feeling a bit bloated and am thinking she was just being nice lol.
 
Day #6 of 5’s realization week.

Today brings this phase to a close and I will move on to the 3’s phase next. Almost done with my run here. Only a couple more weeks to go.
Changed things up a bit here:
Incline dumbbell bench press
25lbs x 20
50lbs x 20
90lbs x 15
95lbs x 12
100lbs x 12(wraps used)

Barbell bench
140lbs x 10
175lbs x 5
210lbs x 3
225lbs x 15,15,15(smoked these, but felt a bit of elbow pain)

Incline dumbbell fly
70lbs x 14,12,12

Alt dumbbell curls
45lbs x 12,12
50lbs x 8

Dumbbell upright rows
65lbs x 10,10,10

Pushups
Bodyweight x 25,25,25

Tri pressdowns using red mini bands
2 x 20

So my maxes for this program at 90% are pretty much set and I have to get at least 3 reps of each at:
Bench - 325lbs
Deads - 495lbs
Press - 205lbs
Squat - 455lbs
I don’t see getting at least 3 reps in any of these a problem unless I am having a pretty bad fucked up all around day. I don’t really see that happening but I can’t predict the future either. My accessories will be at 95% for at least one rep but I haven’t worked out those numbers yet. I think I may go and do Jim Wendler style joker sets on my main and accessory lifts just to see where I am at and take full advantage of what I can do while still on cycle. Nothing is set in stone as of yet and probably will not be till each day. I will perform the joker sets if I am feeling it or not on that specific day. I guess we will see how that plays out.

I will be taking the next two days off to rest, meal prep, and write out the upcoming week’s workout. The 7 sets of 3 reps on deadlift day is already making my back twitch from back pumps. I have to remember to keep that in mind. Drink more water, have an extra banana a day pre workout, and supplement with taurine.

Wifey’s var is starting to kick in. Today she repped out 210lbs on deads for 9 and her sex drive is increasing. Sex wise between the both of has has been great as of late so that is always a plus and it also aids in recovery. This also reminds me to try and keep any temper I may have in check. It is usually worse with tren but thankfully I have felt really level headed and even keeled during this run. Probably the most even tempered I have ever been with any run actually, now that I think about it.

I will pin right shoulder tomorrow which will be the last of the week till next Monday and am still feeling a bit sore on my right VG but it is less and less by the day so I am not concerned.
 
I did not read through your entire thread and apologize in advance if anyone has already asked . Have you or anyone on this thread had any issues with depression, or mental sides from Nandrolone? I have been sitting on some and would like to run it but cannot afford to deal with mental issues. Ran Tren -E with no issues in the past.
 
I personally have not had any mental issues whatsoever with this run. I have heard of others feeling depressed and other feelings regarding mental health but they have been nonexistent with me. Like posted previously I feel this is the most even keeled I have ever been on a blast. I have never been diagnosed with any metal disorders or diseases as well so take it for what it is worth.

If you do decide to run a similar cycle the best advice that I could give regarding that issue is if you already have a predisposition for mental issues, avoidance is the best course of action. If you decide to go ahead, I would start out with a low dose and make adjustments as necessary.
 
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