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[Jet Labs]

Beat bet to to measure the pills with a mg scale.
Then do the math for the dosing on the clomiphene and Nolvadex respectively.

That will.gice you a ball.park.to see the accuracy
HPLC is best.
But.you can guesstimate based off of those results

The Pareto aromasin testing as something else has me VERY concerned to say the least! I'll be sending a sample of my Pareto asin to GYDT and if it comes back as not asin then I'll be sending another sample to lab4tox to see what the fuck it actually is. Judging by the sides I get just from 1/4 a pill my money is it's not asin and this is the cause of all the heart issues I've been having since last October......around the time I started the "ASIN"

 

[Silentlemon1011]

The Pareto aromasin testing as something else has me VERY concerned to say the least! I'll be sending a sample of my Pareto asin to GYDT and if it comes back as not asin then I'll be sending another sample to lab4tox to see what the fuck it actually is. Judging by the sides I get just from 1/4 a pill my money is it's not asin and this is the cause of all the heart issues I've been having since last October......around the time I started the "ASIN"

Maybe Asin isnt in their database or they have issues testing it.
If Pareto and 24hreup are selling bunk Asin, that brings up some serious fucking issues

Aromasin is a staple or AAS ancilliaries and 2 older sources like them...... means everyone should be under scrutiny

 

[Fittrader]

this is why I keep saying use Canadian generic AI

 

[Jet Labs]

Maybe Asin isnt in their database or they have issues testing it.
If Pareto and 24hreup are selling bunk Asin, that brings up some serious fucking issues

Aromasin is a staple or AAS ancilliaries and 2 older sources like them...... means everyone should be under scrutiny

GYDT can identify aromasin!

 

[Jet Labs]

this is why I keep saying use Canadian generic AI

From?

 

[Jet Labs]

Maybe Asin isnt in their database or they have issues testing it.
If Pareto and 24hreup are selling bunk Asin, that brings up some serious fucking issues

Aromasin is a staple or AAS ancilliaries and 2 older sources like them...... means everyone should be under scrutiny

Test Results Archive - Get Your Drugs Tested

All drug analysis results from Get Your Drugs Tested.

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Apparently not tested often, but it's in their database.

 

[Xeens]

The Pareto aromasin testing as something else has me VERY concerned to say the least! I'll be sending a sample of my Pareto asin to GYDT and if it comes back as not asin then I'll be sending another sample to lab4tox to see what the fuck it actually is. Judging by the sides I get just from 1/4 a pill my money is it's not asin and this is the cause of all the heart issues I've been having since last October......around the time I started the "ASIN"

Hey, just to clarify, it was the asin from 24hreup, "Xmalon 25 exemestane tablets" produced by Celon Labratories, that came back with the unknown substance result.

The one from pareto just came back as sucralose.

According to the testers, infrared spectroscopy has a detection limit of about 5%, so it could be possible that they just couldnt detect it, I'm not sure.

I'm not trying to talk shit about pareto, as I still use their other products (such as anavar, and test) and I'm satisfied with them, and I want to see if there are any other testing options to double check the AI. Thinking about it logically, I don't see any reason why they would have bunk AI, considering their other products seem legit to me. But since we're talking about AI and SERMs, I just wanted to be sure, you know?

 

[Fittrader]

Lol

From?

From doctor prescribing it or local sources lol

 

[muscletrain]

Hey, just to clarify, it was the asin from 24hreup, "Xmalon 25 exemestane tablets" produced by Celon Labratories, that came back with the unknown substance result.

The one from pareto just came back as sucralose.

According to the testers, infrared spectroscopy has a detection limit of about 5%, so it could be possible that they just couldnt detect it, I'm not sure.

I'm not trying to talk shit about pareto, as I still use their other products (such as anavar, and test) and I'm satisfied with them, and I want to see if there are any other testing options to double check the AI. Thinking about it logically, I don't see any reason why they would have bunk AI, considering their other products seem legit to me. But since we're talking about AI and SERMs, I just wanted to be sure, you know?

I think all Canadian labs need more testing, but there is a 95% chance this is just that FTIR is such a shitty method of testing or the lab tech did a poor testing job with the already poor methodology compared to HPLC, they need something like 5% of the pill weight to be active substance to detect it. A lab as large as Pareto is not fucking up on 12.5mg Asin tablets and the Surcrose binder is a normal thing to to show up on their testing, it does not mean they are just "sugar pills". I believe Pareto addressed this to me in an email in regards to what they use for a binder with the active ingredient.

@ParetoPharmaceuticals can chime in here but we had a long discussion via email about why FTIR is a poor method of testing. This was after I sent in their anavar without them knowing to GYDT and it came back fine with anavar + Sucrose i believe. He still went on to shit on FTIR testing even tho it gave a favorable result to Pareto.

@JetsFan where is this jump to "My asin could be clen!" coming from? You're usually level headed and This would be a fuck up of beyond epic proportions for one of the labs considered 1a/1b in Canada based off a "feeling" you have. I absolutely cannot handle clen and I've used old Pareto asin and never gotten this. Recently switched to Syn Aromasin though.

Bottom line is I have no issues putting any lab I use on blast (Syn/Pareto/Inno) if I sent it in for something like Jano's HPLC but I definitely would not rely on FTIR.

I do agree tho the Canadian crew should step up with some more testing on the big guys who have rightfully so earned and ride off their reputations of 10 years in the game. More HPLC testing is *never* a bad thing and no good lab will fear it.

I would love to see Syn and Pareto post more HPLC testing more frequently tbh, but they already have gigantic customer bases.

 

[Test_Subject]

I think all Canadian labs need more testing, but there is a 95% chance this is just that FTIR is such a shitty method of testing or the lab tech did a poor testing job with the already poor methodology compared to HPLC, they need something like 5% of the pill weight to be active substance to detect it. A lab as large as Pareto is not fucking up on 12.5mg Asin tablets and the Surcrose binder is a normal thing to to show up on their testing, it does not mean they are just "sugar pills". I believe Pareto addressed this to me in an email in regards to what they use for a binder with the active ingredient.

@ParetoPharmaceuticals can chime in here but we had a long discussion via email about why FTIR is a poor method of testing. This was after I sent in their anavar without them knowing to GYDT and it came back fine with anavar + Sucrose i believe. He still went on to shit on FTIR testing even tho it gave a favorable result to Pareto.

Bottom line is I have no issues putting any lab I use on blast (Syn/Pareto/Inno) if I sent it in for something like Jano's HPLC but I definitely would not rely on FTIR.

FTIR is junk when you’re trying to detect very small amounts of a compound within a relatively larger amount of another compound.

FTIR is great for industrial monitoring of chemical processes/reactions because it can give you continuous, real-time results, but it’s not so fantastic for small sample analysis.

 

[Jet Labs]

I think all Canadian labs need more testing, but there is a 95% chance this is just that FTIR is such a shitty method of testing or the lab tech did a poor testing job with the already poor methodology compared to HPLC, they need something like 5% of the pill weight to be active substance to detect it. A lab as large as Pareto is not fucking up on 12.5mg Asin tablets and the Surcrose binder is a normal thing to to show up on their testing, it does not mean they are just "sugar pills". I believe Pareto addressed this to me in an email in regards to what they use for a binder with the active ingredient.

@ParetoPharmaceuticals can chime in here but we had a long discussion via email about why FTIR is a poor method of testing. This was after I sent in their anavar without them knowing to GYDT and it came back fine with anavar + Sucrose i believe. He still went on to shit on FTIR testing even tho it gave a favorable result to Pareto.

@JetsFan where is this jump to "My asin could be clen!" coming from? You're usually level headed and This would be a fuck up of beyond epic proportions for one of the labs considered 1a/1b in Canada based off a "feeling" you have. I absolutely cannot handle clen and I've used old Pareto asin and never gotten this. Recently switched to Syn Aromasin though.

Bottom line is I have no issues putting any lab I use on blast (Syn/Pareto/Inno) if I sent it in for something like Jano's HPLC but I definitely would not rely on FTIR.

I do agree tho the Canadian crew should step up with some more testing on the big guys who have rightfully so earned and ride off their reputations of 10 years in the game. More HPLC testing is *never* a bad thing and no good lab will fear it.

I would love to see Syn and Pareto post more HPLC testing more frequently tbh, but they already have gigantic customer bases.

Yah I jumped to that conclusion and shouldn't have. Guess I'm just desperate to find a possible reason for my previous heart issue.

 

[Xeens]

I think all Canadian labs need more testing, but there is a 95% chance this is just that FTIR is such a shitty method of testing or the lab tech did a poor testing job with the already poor methodology compared to HPLC, they need something like 5% of the pill weight to be active substance to detect it. A lab as large as Pareto is not fucking up on 12.5mg Asin tablets and the Surcrose binder is a normal thing to to show up on their testing, it does not mean they are just "sugar pills". I believe Pareto addressed this to me in an email in regards to what they use for a binder with the active ingredient.


I would love to see Syn and Pareto post more HPLC testing more frequently tbh, but they already have gigantic customer bases.

That is why I posted in here, rather than in the pareto thread, as it could just be the testing method. I was hoping there was another testing option domestically, but I have not been able to find one. I do find it concerning, however, that the nolva from 24hreup came back as clomid.

 

[muscletrain]

That is why I posted in here, rather than in the pareto thread, as it could just be the testing method. I was hoping there was another testing option domestically, but I have not been able to find one. I do find it concerning, however, that the nolva from 24hreup came back as clomid.

Yes Nolva showing up at as a completely different product in clomid is definitely the most concerning/obvious one from that.

FTIR afaik would not mess that up, i've seen it not pick up active compound on lower mg tablets due to the nature of FTIR but a Nolva tablet coming back as clomid is ehhh.

 

[Jet Labs]

Yes Nolva showing up at as a completely different product in clomid is definitely the most concerning/obvious one from that.

FTIR afaik would not mess that up, i've seen it not pick up active compound on lower mg tablets due to the nature of FTIR but a Nolva tablet coming back as clomid is ehhh.

If GYDT can confirm climid I don't see why they wouldn't be able to detect aromasin. 25mg or even 12.5mg should be more than enough to show up.

 

[graciebjj]

FTIR should be able to pick up Aromasin at 25mg but they wouldn't be able to detect the correct amount, iirc. Personally I wouldn't take those results as gospel. I would send a sample of each to janoshik for further testing. I think there were some people here talking about crowdfunding tests of Canadian labs so I'm pretty sure you would be made whole by them or by Pareto directly if you opted to send those samples in.

I would really go with proper HPLC testing before concluding you got the wrong items.

 

[muscletrain]

If GYDT can confirm climid I don't see why they wouldn't be able to detect aromasin. 25mg or even 12.5mg should be more than enough to show up.

FTIR testing is just not reliable enough and how the technician tested it etc to put a lab on blast in my opinion.

 

[Harley00]

Absolutely, dont wanna derail this conversation.

But question , how is it that my 100mcg of t3 from pareto is a tiny little pill , and a mear identical look to my pharma t3 at 25mcg, and then say my syn t3 is 3 times the size at 25mcg . As both pareto and pharma.

I mean they both are beautiful on the labs both came back as it should the pareto i droped because i wanted better dosing.
iv been using syn religiously at 25mcg twice a day for 6 months , and iv tested labs 3 times on it. And iv also ran against my pharma . 100% identical. On the labs.

Makes me wonder the fillers that are used between the labs, why do we get big pills then little pills. Very confusing. Just makes me wonder. Can it differ that much on materials for the same product.

 

[muscletrain]

Absolutely, dont wanna derail this conversation.

But question , how is it that my 100mcg of t3 from pareto is a tiny little pill , and a mear identical look to my pharma t3, and then say my syn t3 is 3 times the size at 25mcg .

I mean they both are beautiful on the labs both came back as it should, iv been using syn 25mcg for 6 months , and iv tested labs 3 times on it. And iv also ran against my pharma . 100% identical.

Makes me wonder the fillers that are used between the labs, why do we get big pills then little pills. Very confusing. Just makes me wonder. Can it differ that much on materials for the same product.

All just depends on the die size of the tablet punch as well as the filler to API ratio, sizing of pill could *technically* be minute if you realize how small mcg's of API are.

I've made the decision if I ever use UGL dosed items to go with Syn after seeing how bang on the Janoshik test on the 2x 50mcg clen tabs from them were (within 0.5-1mcg on both)

 

[Harley00]

All just depends on the die size of the tablet punch as well as the filler to API ratio, sizing of pill could *technically* be minute if you realize how small mcg's of API are.

I've made the decision if I ever use UGL dosed items to go with Syn after seeing how bang on the Janoshik test on the 2x 50mcg clen tabs from them were (within 0.5-1mcg on both)

Thank you sir, great explanation, yes i agree the testing is bang on always Very pleased, on blood work day. Just the fat pills with all there orals always made me think....how much extra shit am i getting hear lol.

 

[muscletrain]

Thank you sir, great explanation, yes i agree the testing is bang on always Very pleased, on blood work day. Just the fat pills with all there orals always made me think....how much extra shit am i getting hear lol.

No need to worry on the fillers they use health wise Harley, I'm not sure what Syn use probably Microcrystalline cellulose I think Pareto uses some for of Sucrose binder. If there was any issues with these long term they would have shown up as they are used in almost all tablet manufacturing.