johntt44
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MisterSuperGod
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Master.on has pie in the sky ideas. Like how to start your own HPLC testing lab, or Mexican cartels should smuggle unfinished steroids into the US inside of gas tanks.
It should come as no surprise that he recommends cycles without Testosterone. EQ only cycles!?
@ruckin did the community a soild by giving us updates on an attempted EQ only cycle. He had to bail on it early because he was shut down and feeling like ass.
Goofball Mater.on still tries to recommend this kinda shit though. Not sure if he really believes what he types or if he's just trying to sabotage people's efforts?
malfeasance
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Total testosterone level of 8398 on 1.2 grams of testosterone cypionate a week.
Dallas McCarver's was more than 6 times that high.
Does that mean 6 times the 1.2 grams dose, or does death change one's testosterone levels in the blood (skew them way higher)?
Not to be that guy but Dallas’ result was a urine metabolite reading not a blood serum level IIRC…
Monkipalo
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malfeasance
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Thanks, Mac11wildcat. You are correct about it being urine, but I think that's testosterone, not a metabolite (the actual chemical that we identify by the name testosterone. C19H28O2 - don't know how to make those numbers smaller than the letters to make it look like it should. 17β-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one = testosterone). See page 16 of 24 here https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2013/021015s036lbl.pdf
Now I am confused, though. I have no idea whether urine can be compared to the blood test or the appropriate reference range for testosterone in piss . . . anybody?
The test/EpiT ratio was 130, though, and 4 is all that is required to indicate steroids in piss testing for athletics.
Tren, too.
malfeasance
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In this group of Korean males the range was 1.7-40.8 ng/ml. Marijuana users (Dallas had THC in his autopsy report) were 0.8-16.1 ng/ml.
www.sciencedirect.com
Dallas was 550.
That gives us some starting point, I guess, to try and figure out how much.
Reference ranges for urinary levels of testosterone and epitestosterone, which may reveal gonadal function, in a Korean male population
Cannabis, or marijuana, the most commonly used illicit drug in the world, has been shown to be responsible for suppressing the production and secretio…
Dallas was 550.
That gives us some starting point, I guess, to try and figure out how much.
Oh he was for SURE on a big stack. Big ass dude prepping for the Olympia.
But people assumed it was total T in the blood which on the extreme responder end would’ve equated to 5g, up to 10g for “low average” of test to get that result. No idea how urine results equate to total T.
just throwing math around, if his was 550 and high normal is 40, that’s about 13x.
13x high normal total T is around 11k? Sounds like 1.5-2g test if it’s really just a linear conversion.
But people assumed it was total T in the blood which on the extreme responder end would’ve equated to 5g, up to 10g for “low average” of test to get that result. No idea how urine results equate to total T.
just throwing math around, if his was 550 and high normal is 40, that’s about 13x.
13x high normal total T is around 11k? Sounds like 1.5-2g test if it’s really just a linear conversion.
malfeasance
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Caucasion male median is 30 ng/ml.
malfeasance
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Here is a direct comparison between serum and urine. These are transgenders, so they are actually injecting testosterone. Median 5.8 serum is median 49.5 urine. I am not representing same person/ same test. That is just the median value for each. the mean, standard deviation, and highest and lowest are in the charts, and the study is complicated, as they are really looking at variations in results, but it is the only comparison I can find showing both blood and urine tests in a population injecting testosterone.
academic.oup.com
I conclude from that study that urine testosterone is going to be much higher, like less than by almost ten times serum levels (8.5X for the median).
We may have been drastically overestimating the volume of Dallas McCarver's testosterone injections.
Urine and Serum Sex Steroid Profile in Testosterone-Treated Transgender and Hypogonadal and Healthy Control Men
We studied T-treated F2M transgender and hypogonadal men and found they had serum and urine sex steroid profiles similar to those of hypogonadal men, varyi
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I conclude from that study that urine testosterone is going to be much higher, like less than by almost ten times serum levels (8.5X for the median).
We may have been drastically overestimating the volume of Dallas McCarver's testosterone injections.
malfeasance
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What I mean is, while we may have been claiming, based on the blood reference range, that Dallas was doing 55 times a higher end TRT dose (say 200 mg to get 1000 ng/dL, not ng/ml, serum), based on urine results his dose of testosterone may have been only 6.5 times as high . . . not even 1.5G!
Don't take my word for any of this, though. This is all way over my head, and I am only walking around getting my toes wet at the beach, not exploring the Mariana Trench.
Don't take my word for any of this, though. This is all way over my head, and I am only walking around getting my toes wet at the beach, not exploring the Mariana Trench.
malfeasance
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I did not read your last line until just now - note we both came to not far off conclusions from each other.
OmL
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As someone who has only ever ran test cycles, I can say that the gains significantly lessen each cycle. And I do mean significantly. I’ve decided to try some Tren at 30-40mg daily to finish off this blast. Perhaps 6 or so weeks of it.
I asked @Michael Scally MD about this several years ago in another case. Here is what he said:
"It is not possible to accurately determine the testosterone dose or serum testosterone level from the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio or the urine testosterone level."
malfeasance
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I get it, and I am not attempting to do it "accurately." I have just realized that the extremely high dose I was prattling on about, based on the autopsy report, is based upon, well, 0 evidence.
This was an enlightening moment for me.
This was an enlightening moment for me.
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