Steroids and antidepressants

I've been on Aniti-Depressents for 28 years. Welburtin (no help) Prozac (Mild), Zoloft and Paxil, (Zombie). After 3 or 4 yrs EFFEXOR worked for me. 300mg daily. As for as gear, I never considered the anti-depressants. Just did normal cycles like must of the guys. I tried tren hex once. Anxiety thru the roof. As for as the normal compounds, never any problems.

Bad things about the SSRIs is you end up on them for life.
 
I've been on Aniti-Depressents for 28 years. Welburtin (no help) Prozac (Mild), Zoloft and Paxil, (Zombie). After 3 or 4 yrs EFFEXOR worked for me. 300mg daily. As for as gear, I never considered the anti-depressants. Just did normal cycles like must of the guys. I tried tren hex once. Anxiety thru the roof. As for as the normal compounds, never any problems.

Bad things about the SSRIs is you end up on them for life.
People who used antidepressants had a 14% higher risk of heart attacks and strokes and a 33% greater risk of death, according to findings in a meta-analysis of 17 studies that was published in 2017 in the journal Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics.

The risks appear to climb as people age. In older adults, SSRI medications are associated with falls and fractures. Some studies have found a link between SSRI use and a higher risk of dementia. But the science is murky. Other studies have found no such association; one study even found that SSRIs may delay the onset of Alzheimer’s disease in people with mild cognitive impairment. There is stronger evidence that the long-term use of one particular antidepressant, Paxil, does increase the risk of developing dementia.
 
My brother and mother have been on Paxil for years and they say it cured their anxiety. I have been thinking about trying to get on it but I'm still on the fence.
 
Western medicine failed me for years (MDD). Try Cerebrolysin. You can order it domestic from Cosmic Nootropic, pharma direct from Everpharma. Saved my life, use it every day still since 2013. I can expand more if there's interest, but will take me a day or so.
There's definitely some interest. Please start the process of expanding on that information.
Also is it cool if I PM you to talk about Cosmic?
 
I ended up taking my meds because of serotonin syndrome. This was after taking ecstasy/mdma for extended periods, along with cocaine/speed etc.

Best fun I ever had!!!! I'm not gonna a lie
 
If we lived in a world with no anti-depressants or benzos, 90% of the ppl on them wouldn't even think they had a problem.

All I'm saying is sometimes the drug that treats the issue becomes the issue itself. And yes, I'm guilty of it myself, was hooked on benzos for over 4 years. I finally kicked the shit, best thing I ever did was get off that bullshit
 
I've been on trt for several years and started taking Zoloft a bit over a year ago. Since getting on Zoloft I've felt the best I have for as long as I can remember. I asked my endo about it before and they said there shouldn't be any interactions.

I blasted 500mg test for 4 months this year and still felt great, maybe even slightly better than at cruise.

If you're feeling like shit, I say give antidepressants a try. You'll know pretty quick if they're not for you, and if you can tough out any sides you might get then you could potentially feel a lot better in a few months. It doesn't happen quick for most people.
This is exactly my experience also.
 
There's definitely some interest. Please start the process of expanding on that information.
Also is it cool if I PM you to talk about Cosmic?
I may have made it sound more exotic than it really was. the TL;DR is just that, after multiple misdiagnoses I was finally narrowed down to MDD. I tried SSRIs, SNRIs, I tried low dose naltrexone, I tried mostly everything. this began in.... 2004. fast fwd to 2012, I'm still on the hunt for relief. a year later I discover Cerebrolysin. by this point I was already a gearhead, so pinning myself wasn't an issue. I read a lot on Longecity about it, then researched it on various health databases and decided to try it.

I've gone off and on cycles of it (and by cycles I mean multi-week/month stints), but ultimately settled on continuous use. I'm happy. I've battled anxiety in my times off of it and the shit nukes it every time. this is a common effect, but isn't the case for everyone. I find that the effects tend to last for 2-4 weeks after stopping based on how much I've taken per day, but, the thing with me is that it really creeps up in a bad way and tends to be unpredictable. typical signs of depression - I'll lose drive, interest in stuff, sometimes get too negative about everything, etc. so I made the choice to stay on for good. I use 3mL per day and that treats me pretty perfectly. (i'm 265-270, but cutting now so that might reduce over time. I'm aiming for 225-230 and single digits, far from that now lololol).

as for Cosmic, they're overall great. I've had a handful of issues with orders with them and they have pissed me off over them but they always send me coupons for 15-20% off to make up for it. add that to the 10% off for crypto and it works out well for me. US shipping is fast. RU is 15% less cost but will take the extra time of course. You will never have issues importing the stuff, it's 100% legal to own and use in the USA.

i'll say this. even when i was off the stuff (like in between cycles) my brain was completely different than before ever having used it. orders of magnitude better. my first and second cycles were AMAZING, oh how I wish I could have that experience every time.

last point. Memantine is a drug I used briefly when was off Cerebro. I got a script for it. NMDA class drugs are one of the more exciting developments in psychiatry IMO and will help a lot of people who like me have been failed by all others thus far. Ketamine acts upon NMDA receptors as well IIRC, and it's making a fine debut to the world of treatment. Memantine was difficult to dose correctly for me, and ultimately the sleep disturbances were too much, but it's a shame because otherwise i loved the stuff. Totally destroyed my anxiety and my negative head noise - or what is left of it. :) my dose seemed best at 15mg per day, but, still, the lack of REM sleep is something I'm still trying to recover from.

hope this helps. I never found much use in therapy once I realized what was really bothering me about my life, which cerebro certainly helped me see pretty quickly. from that point on it's a matter of acceptance and ingratiating within yourself that you need to change things. downhill journey from there.
 
@nealcaffrey16

I appreciate the time you spent putting this together. I'm also glad that you found something that helps you. If I look into cerebro further, I will definitely pick your brain. I feel like I don't need it right now, but you definitely sold it well and part of me wants to try it for that reason.
 
it's just great because there are no negatives with it. literally none. other than pinning daily / semi daily and a lighter wallet.... but you don't end up paying any more than you would with a psych. much less actually depending on insurance, therapy ongoing, etc.

glad to help.
 
I’ll offer my opinion as it may differ from others. I’m a former drug addict, and started using when I was young. Tried lots of different meds over the years. I no longer struggle with addiction, or any of the problems that fueled my addictions.

If you want to change the way you feel, change your life. Change your behavior. Change your job. Spend time with different people. Spend time helping people. Start a new hobby. Take on more challenges at home or at work. Start doing something exciting like riding a motorcycle.

Your brain is low on something, a hormone or a peptide that your body is capable of producing on its own. The hard part is finding what actions and activities you need to stop or start to get you back to feeling good.

Take some time looking back at moments where you remember this cloud or feeling wasn’t there. Look at where you were and what you were doing, and see if you can connect the dots.

Im not saying meds aren’t useful, at least in an institutional setting. There just not going to get to the root of the problem.
 
Your brain is low on something, a hormone or a peptide that your body is capable of producing on its own.
pure and utter horseshit. You have no basis on stating how individuals' bodies are/aren't built. i know you mean well with your message, but this is patently false. not everyone is able to simply will themselves out of depression with lifestyle changes.

it's akin to saying "nah just go lift more weights even though your natty test levels are 100. you can elevate it yourself." fucking NO.
 
Western medicine failed me for years (MDD). Try Cerebrolysin. You can order it domestic from Cosmic Nootropic, pharma direct from Everpharma. Saved my life, use it every day still since 2013. I can expand more if there's interest, but will take me a day or so.
Isn't that shit super expensive? And you have been using it daily since 2013!?
 
pure and utter horseshit. You have no basis on stating how individuals' bodies are/aren't built. i know you mean well with your message, but this is patently false. not everyone is able to simply will themselves out of depression with lifestyle changes.

it's akin to saying "nah just go lift more weights even though your natty test levels are 100. you can elevate it yourself." fucking NO.

Are you saying that depression is a permanent disability and that it cannot be overcome without medication?

I spent 25 years crippled by depression and anxiety and I promise you, medication is not the solution you think it is.
 
no, I'm saying not everyone is you and not everyone can will themselves out of it. also, N=1. you =/= everyone else.

I spent 33yrs. your point?

like I said, you mean well with the message and if you read mine you would see that we are saying a lot of the same things.
 
cerebro is $70/50mL from Cosmic US store. I use 3mL a day. not that expensive at all. it used to be more but they've been around awhile now.
 
@adamcarpenter @nealcaffrey16 I think you’re both right to some degree. My belief is that while the gym and whatever other lifestyle changes you make can impact you better what do you do when you feel like there is nothing you can do. That’s my problem. I’m open to change but right now I just can’t seem to find it in me to do any of it. That’s why I’m thinking trying some sort of antidepressant. To potentially help change this mindset and level of unhappiness. Which then might help me move past these mental blocks and find the way to change these things. Or help me look at my current situation with a different set of glasses. I think you’re both right but both go hand in hand.
 
@adamcarpenter @nealcaffrey16 I think you’re both right to some degree. My belief is that while the gym and whatever other lifestyle changes you make can impact you better what do you do when you feel like there is nothing you can do. That’s my problem. I’m open to change but right now I just can’t seem to find it in me to do any of it. That’s why I’m thinking trying some sort of antidepressant. To potentially help change this mindset and level of unhappiness. Which then might help me move past these mental blocks and find the way to change these things. Or help me look at my current situation with a different set of glasses. I think you’re both right but both go hand in hand.
I can understand both their points, but I am leaning towards @nealcaffrey16 . I am fortunate, as thus far the bad times come and the bad times go.

To kind of speak to what @adamcarpenter said. The one time I was on SSRIs for over a year, was the time that my head adjusted to similar thinking when I came off.

If I look back at it now, I would say that the bad times were caused by anxiety. Automatically thinking the worst outcomes of small problems. That my friends is delusional. Bring on SSRIs made me see the same small problems in a far less concerning light. Between that new found understanding and experiences that come with old age, I am able to function better without medication.

I think it also helps me knowing that if I ever get into a bad psychological spot again, I can always go back to medication if needed.

@nealcaffrey16, what have you learned from your journey of feeling better? Do you believe that it can assist you in weaning off?

@adamcarpenter I understand your post was coming from a good place. But let's try to figure out how we can help people on their own terms. And if the conclusion is to stay on medication for them, so be it.
 
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