People that started AAS in their early/mid 20's. What would you do differently now?

[BCBuilder]

Hey guys. Basically I am trying to gather anecdotes from those that are more experienced than me in the world of gear (mainly on the "tame" side, anavar, test, generally things native to humans and not "replacement" tren therapy)

I'm 21, 230 lbs with a fairly solid foundation built (imo)

My plan is to compete naturally and decide if gear is a good call for me based off my placement. Depending on how that goes I could be getting into it as soon as 23/24, and I'm wondering if anyone in a similar situation has any insights, like maybe you wish you just never got into it in general or whichever.

Cheers.

 

[Theworm]

Wish I didn’t do deca, wish I did 8 week mini cycles of test prop plus anadrol or anavar and did pct and did that twice a year.

With that said, I am 43 now and on trt, but no regrets, feel much better on trt now at 43 then natural age 28-31...

 

[BCBuilder]

Wish I didn’t do deca, wish I did 8 week mini cycles of test prop plus anadrol or anavar and did pct and did that twice a year.

With that said, I am 43 now and on trt, but no regrets, feel much better on trt now at 43 then natural age 28-31...

I was planning on avoiding orals/stacking anything for my first run. I was thinking something like 250 mg test with a short ester a week, pinning daily with insulin needles to keep free test at a more constant level. I also plan to start low and increase accordingly, as I don't want to build up more androgen resistance for less return.

But my knowledge of PED's is somewhat bare. So I want to make sure this would even be effective for someone planning to do men's classic physique.

 

[RzSco]

Start in my mid teens

 

[Theworm]

I was planning on avoiding orals/stacking anything for my first run. I was thinking something like 250 mg test with a short ester a week, pinning daily with insulin needles to keep free test at a more constant level. I also plan to start low and increase accordingly, as I don't want to build up more androgen resistance for less return.

But my knowledge of PED's is somewhat bare. So I want to make sure this would even be effective for someone planning to do men's classic physique.

If I could go back and wanted to avoid orals, I’d stick with just test prop x 8 weeks, prop 150-200 EOD

 

[BCBuilder]

If I could go back and wanted to avoid orals, I’d stick with just test prop x 8 weeks, prop 150-200 EOD

I see some guys here recommending cycles of 12-16 weeks. Is this going to be dependent on how long it takes your chosen compound to reach saturation? Or is that due to having different esters?

 

[Jestopherson]

I see some guys here recommending cycles of 12-16 weeks. Is this going to be dependent on how long it takes your chosen compound to reach saturation? Or is that due to having different esters?

The esters will influence the compound uptake and saturation time. You can run props for a 20 week cycle but by the end of it you'll feel like a pin Cushion pinning up to several ml ed or eod.

Ive only done long cycles. This time I'm doing a 7 week prop cycle to test the waters and compare. Less time on can mean less time off

*edit* grammar

 

[BCBuilder]

The esters will influence the compound uptake and saturation time. You can run props for a 20 week cycle but by the end of it you'll feel like a pin Cushion pinning up to several ml ed or eod.

Ive only done long cycles. This time I'm doing a 7 week prop cycle to test the waters and compare. Less time on can mean less time off

*edit* grammar

I'm interested to hear what you think.

I want to approach my gear usage knowing that on the off chance I can be competitive at a professional level, I will be titrating up my usage for years and years.

It will be good to know after your 7 week cycle if you wish you had done shorter cycles from the beginning or not, I can definitely see more cycles through the year paying more dividends if you can have a growth stage and follow with a PCT that isn't as intensive.

 

[Jestopherson]

I'm interested to hear what you think.

I want to approach my gear usage knowing that on the off chance I can be competitive at a professional level, I will be titrating up my usage for years and years.

It will be good to know after your 7 week cycle if you wish you had done shorter cycles from the beginning or not, I can definitely see more cycles through the year paying more dividends if you can have a growth stage and follow with a PCT that isn't as intensive.

Send me a pm and I can definitely keep you updated.

Just personally. If you're already fairly advanced. Just start with 4-500mg of test. Maximize the cycle with minimal sides.

I know mpmd has you guys around his finger but he's just one guy and many in the industry disagree with him on that

 

[BCBuilder]

mpmd

It's because I said titrating isn't it

Jokes aside though that's exactly why I have come here, the majority of my gear knowledge comes from guys like Greg Doucette and Derek, so trying to broaden my knowledge

I will definelty send you a pm though.

 

[Silent Caracal]

I was planning on avoiding orals/stacking anything for my first run. I was thinking something like 250 mg test with a short ester a week, pinning daily with insulin needles to keep free test at a more constant level. I also plan to start low and increase accordingly, as I don't want to build up more androgen resistance for less return.

But my knowledge of PED's is somewhat bare. So I want to make sure this would even be effective for someone planning to do men's classic physique.

What is androgen resistance?

 

[Dead]

Hey guys. Basically I am trying to gather anecdotes from those that are more experienced than me in the world of gear (mainly on the "tame" side, anavar, test, generally things native to humans and not "replacement" tren therapy)

I'm 21, 230 lbs with a fairly solid foundation built (imo)

My plan is to compete naturally and decide if gear is a good call for me based off my placement. Depending on how that goes I could be getting into it as soon as 23/24, and I'm wondering if anyone in a similar situation has any insights, like maybe you wish you just never got into it in general or whichever.

Cheers.

Keep dose low and focus on food. The longer ur on the more side effects start to show. I’d give anything to restart

 

[BCBuilder]

What is androgen resistance?

Correct me if I'm wrong but as you increase test to a supraphisiological level it will have a dulling effect in androgen receptors? Like abusing the award system of the brain, or so I thought.

 

[BCBuilder]

Keep dose low and focus on food. The longer ur on the more side effects start to show. I’d give anything to restart

What is "low" to you? I see some say start at 300 test a week and some say 500 as low ranges.

 

[Silent Caracal]

Correct me if I'm wrong but as you increase test to a supraphisiological level it will have a dulling effect in androgen receptors? Like abusing the award system of the brain, or so I thought.

Got any studies to back this up?

 

[BCBuilder]

Got any studies to back this up?

I'm not making any concrete claims my friend, I'm asking a question

Chronic Exposure to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids Alters Neuronal Function in the Mammalian Forebrain via Androgen Receptor- and Estrogen Receptor-Mediated Mechanisms - PMC

Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) can promote detrimental effects on social behaviors for which GABA type A (GABAA) receptor-mediated circuits in the forebrain play a critical role. While all AAS bind to androgen receptors (AR), they may also be ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I could have 100% misunderstood this, as I prefaced with I'm here to learn

 

[Silent Caracal]

I'm not making any concrete claims my friend, I'm asking a question

Chronic Exposure to Anabolic Androgenic Steroids Alters Neuronal Function in the Mammalian Forebrain via Androgen Receptor- and Estrogen Receptor-Mediated Mechanisms - PMC

Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) can promote detrimental effects on social behaviors for which GABA type A (GABAA) receptor-mediated circuits in the forebrain play a critical role. While all AAS bind to androgen receptors (AR), they may also be ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I could have 100% misunderstood this, as I prefaced with I'm here to learn

Give the abstract a read. It doesn't back up your idea of androgen resistance.

If not from a study, where did you get the idea from in the first place? I've never seen any evidence for the sort of thing you're talking about so I'd be happy to read some if it's out there.

 

[BCBuilder]

Give the abstract a read. It doesn't back up your idea of androgen resistance.

If not from a study, where did you get the idea from in the first place? I've never seen any evidence for the sort of thing you're talking about so I'd be happy to read some if it's out there.

Haha I thought you were setting me up for a proper hazing. I'm sure I just misheard two things and put one together along the lines.

Probably made an assumption extrapolating off of the fact each cycle typically gives diminishing returns without increasing dosage and made up androgen receptors after researching AR genes.

Possibly from what I read about AR mutations causing hypogonadism and other endocrine system issues, and put together some idea of androgen resistance being similar to abusing party drugs and the effect on rewards system

 

[Silent Caracal]

each cycle typically gives diminishing returns without increasing dosage

I'm not sure what you mean.

 

[BCBuilder]

I'm not sure what you mean.

I don't know a lot about PED's, I probably made it up is what I was trying to say lol. Due to diminishing effects of say just 500 mg test one cycle, then the next cycle you would probably want a little something extra to match the first cycle effects, so I chalked it up to a build up of resistance of actual compounds, if that's any more clear