Why did you get into homebrew? What was your threshold for making it worth it?

[NBE]

there's no long-term data on its health impact, aside from (from what I can find) studies showing that it is prostate-safe, to some degree neuroprotective

Gladly, mind you it’s largely anecdotal. Most of this is experience and opinion

1. No long term data (personal opinion is to steer clear, same reason I’m not infected with gov juice)

2. Of mine, clients, and friends experience seeing blood work - the estrogen conversion is rapid, high, and hard as hell to dial in. Same with progestin - everyone’s bloods were fucked like they were a week out.

3. If someone is prone to depression, or harsh mental sides this drug is a nail in the coffin.

I overreacted, yeah. But I just feel strongly on this one. One I’ll never recommend

 

[amindzeye]

Besides, almost all pharmaceutical products give me PIP, my home-made solutions almost never do.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[theotherguy]

Gladly, mind you it’s largely anecdotal. Most of this is experience and opinion

1. No long term data (personal opinion is to steer clear, same reason I’m not infected with gov juice)

2. Of mine, clients, and friends experience seeing blood work - the estrogen conversion is rapid, high, and hard as hell to dial in. Same with progestin - everyone’s bloods were fucked like they were a week out.

3. If someone is prone to depression, or harsh mental sides this drug is a nail in the coffin.

I overreacted, yeah. But I just feel strongly on this one. One I’ll never recommend

So my anecdotal report is pretty much the opposite of this for points 2 and 3. I ran it at only 5 mg/day though. At 14 weeks, my bloods were perfectly fine aside from high E2, but not out of line for my test levels.

It DRASTICALLY improved my mood on both nandrolone and trenbolone. In fact mental well being is one of the highest reported benefits I see from it (all anecdotal data on forums).

I’m not saying it is safe (no AAS is in supraphysiologial doses) but I certainly don’t believe it is as bad your initial post on this made it out to be

 

[MulberryTrees]

Gladly, mind you it’s largely anecdotal. Most of this is experience and opinion

1. No long term data (personal opinion is to steer clear, same reason I’m not infected with gov juice)

2. Of mine, clients, and friends experience seeing blood work - the estrogen conversion is rapid, high, and hard as hell to dial in. Same with progestin - everyone’s bloods were fucked like they were a week out.

3. If someone is prone to depression, or harsh mental sides this drug is a nail in the coffin.

I overreacted, yeah. But I just feel strongly on this one. One I’ll never recommend

Regarding point 2, that's really interesting. I've read a few accounts now of the estrogen being reflected in bloodwork, but I'm not quite understanding how. 7a-methylestradiol, as far as I know, doesn't show up as E2 on either the ECLIA or LC-MS/MS. I'd like to find a way to monitor it in my own bloodwork, since I'm generally terrible at gauging E2 symptoms.

 

[NBE]

Regarding point 2, that's really interesting. I've read a few accounts now of the estrogen being reflected in bloodwork, but I'm not quite understanding how. 7a-methylestradiol, as far as I know, doesn't show up as E2 on either the ECLIA or LC-MS/MS. I'd like to find a way to monitor it in my own bloodwork, since I'm generally terrible at gauging E2 symptoms.

Maybe the key is to run is in considerably small doses, either way It’s also easier to get than regular gear. Easier to get into the wrong hands