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This is just for bulking up, which I intend to do until March. When this is done, I will cut, and that will involve test, primo, tren...
MESO-Rx
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I take ubiquinol and other supplements aside from the gear, obviously.
Yeah, but how do you transition from the deca only to the other stuff? Nand has such a long half life and the metabolites are months, as you know. That's what I'm curious about. How do you avoid issues when going off nand and back to other stuff??
JC Grifter
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It’s not obvious. You made it sound like you’re avoiding all side effects by not running test.
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The main thing I was talking about was deca dick and other thigns that no amount of OTC sups could help, so I thought it was obvious.
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There will be a time where things will be unavoidable: I'm gonna have to either deal with it if I decide to jump right into my cut cycle; or stop the deca and let it run its course for a few weeks, then go on a TRT cruise. Obviously, the metabolites can last for like 18 months, but I doubt that means they can cause sides, and that's more so for detection.
eery
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The metabolites and the hormone itself is two different things.
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And btw, I'm 100% dropping the Anadrol after today... absolutely not worth it feeling this way. Sucks that I bought a fuck ton.
I do have 50mg Danabol tabs, but I'm sure they will bring their own sides being dbol is a test derivative. The last time I took an oral was Winstrol a few months ago, and that made me lethargic as fuck. The only oral that I actually feel great on is anavar. IMO, orals are just not worth it when you can just take more oil.
I do have 50mg Danabol tabs, but I'm sure they will bring their own sides being dbol is a test derivative. The last time I took an oral was Winstrol a few months ago, and that made me lethargic as fuck. The only oral that I actually feel great on is anavar. IMO, orals are just not worth it when you can just take more oil.
JC Grifter
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Yeah I’m not a fan of orals anymore. If I wanted something fast acting at the end of a cycle I’d rather run Tren ace as a plateau buster.
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I agree 100%.
Well, on the bright side, back to DECA ONLY lol. The experiment was only derailed for 19 days with anadrol.
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In your opinion, how long do you think I'd need to "transition" between blasting a 1 gram of deca and going into my cut? I'd say at least a month after last injection.
They can cause sides, but usually it isn't for the full 18 months. They are suppressive, as you know. I know dihydronandrolone is what interferes with DHT, causing the dick issues, reduced anabolism, etc. It's been a while since I have read those studies, but I thought that was a key metabolite that stayed in the system for 6-18 months. That's what I'd be concerned about. You may need to be on a DHT derivative for a while after going off, even just like proviron or something. Maybe not though.
I do really hope you continue this log after your cycle ends, until you are stable again on TRT test or starting your cut. I'm really interested to see if you encounter any issues when coming off nand and going back to test. I sincerely hope not for your sake! I am really very curious though.
There is no need to run a gram of test at the size as i am.
lankyOldIdiot
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Test + Deca/Tren used to destroy me with sides. Massive e2 and my face would balloon up. Instant 10+ lbs of water weight, even when starting in a deficit!
Tried deca with 100mg test, then no test, then tren. Almost no sides aside from low sex drive when switching to 100mg test. Blood pressure was 115/70s on tren! On 500mg test alone my BP would be in the 130s.
Can't say if I gained much muscle when I switched to a bulk as I didn't have that typical massive water bloat + pump I got from test.
If I wanted to feel more "alive" and have a "wooo feeling", I just stopped injecting the 19nor and increased test.
Maybe my genetics are just garbage but I don't understand why anyone likes test. Unless they have zero concern for blood pressure and bloat face. Maybe they think "it's working" if they bloat up.
I honestly think most just confuse side effects with muscle gain.
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So guys, I'm starting to doubt if I should continue this path of bulking...I think I'm putting my body through a ton of stress and I just feel run down.
Today is my last Deca injection, so I would have concluded this Deca only experiment, which was derailed by anadrol for 19 days, where I quickly gained weight. Despite that, the main point of this experiement was to show to everyone that its ok to run a cycle without test. Sadly, I wish I was bulking from the very beginning so we could have truly seen Deca's potential, but I didn't know better, thinking I could "maingain" and see what happens; I've only been bulking since Dec 10th.
Last night really made me think: I felt like I had the flu, I was nauseous, and couldn't even get my meals down and all. I literally woke up unable to breathe several times; it seems somehow my throat, tongue, or whatever, has become bigger and my nasal cavity can't even exhale on its own when I sleep on my back, as if I have sleep apnea! This doesn't help that my nose is stuffy and I've been sick with stupid things every two weeks it seems...so it could be something else, but I feel its a combination of everything.
Before this, when I was force-feeding, I felt like puking every night; even though that was resolved by dropping calories, now waking up 15 times basically choking. This is not a lifestyle that is fun. I'm hoping the anadrol is the culprit for all this, that perhaps it has increased water retention even in my throat or something, and it will go away when I drop it. Regardless, I do know I'm going to take the rest of the week off to see what happens, ceasing all drugs aside from GH so I can heal, because I feel like I've been hit by a truck and I need the rest: I have been pushing everything hard.
If I'm not 100% by Monday, after the drol is completely out of my system and I hopefully feel much better, then I'm probably going to stop this shit. This is just getting stupid at age 37, and it's probably not even smart lol, but I wanted to see what I could do. I'm doing this for fun, but this isn't fun anymore, and I'm not even going to get into competing or anything like that so its not even worth it. I'm thinking maybe I should stop fucking around and just go back to getting lean.
In reality, the only two muscle groups I'd want to get bigger are my arms and calves... I could just eat in a surplus on those training days and perhaps get localized growth, esp with slin and nutrients being implemented.
Anyway, I'm not making a choice yet, but this is how I feel as of right now. Either way, the Deca experiment has made its point; I do have more on the way as I wanted to continue going into March, but we will see.
I welcome any comments on this matter, and I will also tell coach about this as well.
Today is my last Deca injection, so I would have concluded this Deca only experiment, which was derailed by anadrol for 19 days, where I quickly gained weight. Despite that, the main point of this experiement was to show to everyone that its ok to run a cycle without test. Sadly, I wish I was bulking from the very beginning so we could have truly seen Deca's potential, but I didn't know better, thinking I could "maingain" and see what happens; I've only been bulking since Dec 10th.
Last night really made me think: I felt like I had the flu, I was nauseous, and couldn't even get my meals down and all. I literally woke up unable to breathe several times; it seems somehow my throat, tongue, or whatever, has become bigger and my nasal cavity can't even exhale on its own when I sleep on my back, as if I have sleep apnea! This doesn't help that my nose is stuffy and I've been sick with stupid things every two weeks it seems...so it could be something else, but I feel its a combination of everything.
Before this, when I was force-feeding, I felt like puking every night; even though that was resolved by dropping calories, now waking up 15 times basically choking. This is not a lifestyle that is fun. I'm hoping the anadrol is the culprit for all this, that perhaps it has increased water retention even in my throat or something, and it will go away when I drop it. Regardless, I do know I'm going to take the rest of the week off to see what happens, ceasing all drugs aside from GH so I can heal, because I feel like I've been hit by a truck and I need the rest: I have been pushing everything hard.
If I'm not 100% by Monday, after the drol is completely out of my system and I hopefully feel much better, then I'm probably going to stop this shit. This is just getting stupid at age 37, and it's probably not even smart lol, but I wanted to see what I could do. I'm doing this for fun, but this isn't fun anymore, and I'm not even going to get into competing or anything like that so its not even worth it. I'm thinking maybe I should stop fucking around and just go back to getting lean.
In reality, the only two muscle groups I'd want to get bigger are my arms and calves... I could just eat in a surplus on those training days and perhaps get localized growth, esp with slin and nutrients being implemented.
Anyway, I'm not making a choice yet, but this is how I feel as of right now. Either way, the Deca experiment has made its point; I do have more on the way as I wanted to continue going into March, but we will see.
I welcome any comments on this matter, and I will also tell coach about this as well.
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Sorry it didnt work for you.
How long have you been going for? 8 weeks i believe you said?
Edit- what was your weight before and after?
How long does deca take to reach peak concentrations in blood?
Do you feel you feel like shit because you are running an entire gram of just deca?
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How can you say its ok to run a cycle without test, when you didnt finish?
Edit 3- i do believe its possible to run a cycle without test, i do believe its not worth it though. I have run test and deca for a whole year and felt fantastic. And grow constantly
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Today is week 10 of deca, with my final shot. There is more on the way but not sure if it will arrive on time.
I started this log at 223lb Nov 9, now I'm 245, with a bit of fat gain, but most of that weight being rapidly put on with the drol. I added an inch to my arms, but I haven't measured other parts yet, but no doubt they increased in size.
I'm sure deca "peaks" within a few weeks.
No, I started feeling like shit when I was force-feeding at a caloric intake way higher than it needed to be, and the appetitie issues began when I added the anadrol.
Anadrol did that to me badly. Not sure how to get past that. Havent run orals since, only injectaeble versions or 2 days on 2 days off.
Feel better, after 2-3 days the crappy feeling from anadrol will go away
malfeasance
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Most recommend 15-20 weeks for deca.
It won't be out of your system for months.
It won't be out of your system for months.
Pineapples4Puss
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You have been so over the place man.
what point have you made? You’ve been on deca for 1-2 months technically not deca only because you added 10 other compounds for a week at a time randomly.
The deca hasn’t even been able to show it’s true potential for the amount of time you’ve been on if it’s been 1.5 months.
You’re not able to stick with it. The second you added anything else this deca only goes out the window.
