Are heavy deadlifts safe in the long term?

[barbell001]

What’s your point? I took 5 seconds to look. I even said maybe 2x my stated range (220-230) which would go as high as 460. My bad for not taking the time to sift through the entire interwebz for one single data point that won’t even apply to most people, even most lifters. The abstract even states the avg max BP was 320.

At this point you’re just looking to argue, if that’s the one thing you’re going to latch onto out of all of this. My point is simply that transient high BP isn’t nearly as big of a deal (I would argue it’s not at all a big deal so long as you aren’t doing it constantly and you aren’t passing out from it) as having constantly elevated BP.

Go ahead and hang your hat on proving me wrong

Calm down, Calm down I think he was just making conversation lol

 

[M@NU]

ah well, i didnt read the first post completely so i didnt get he is talking about long time spine health.
I would argue as long as it is properly executed and you are properly warmed up 3-5 reps aint worse than 10-12 reps regarding spine health.
I would even argue doing nothing all day but sitting on the coach is worse than heavy deadlifts. In my 8 years of powerlifting i did not suffer any spine issues.
Knee and elbow issues is another topic xD

for heavy lifting and cardiovascular system: mainly acute damage as @Type-IIx explained. Risk for Aneurysma for example.

 

[Nerdrage_Hilmateam]

Previously, when I had little experience and did not practice deadlifting myself, I thought that this movement was dangerous. As I gradually began to work with the deadlift and studied biomechanics, I realized: this is one of the most unique movements on the posterior chain of the body

 

[janoshik]

Calm down, Calm down I think he was just making conversation lol

I mean, I was pretty much linking the first google result proving his point, as I had a relevant experience as well, but well, guess he's having a bad day.

 

[barbell001]

I mean, I was pretty much linking the first google result proving his point, as I had a relevant experience as well, but well, guess he's having a bad day.

I think he maybe read into it wrong like we all have at some point Lol

How's that Turbo treating you bud - You seen the new Turbo S with 650 HP!!!?? Mad eh

 

[theotherguy]

I mean, I was pretty much linking the first google result proving his point, as I had a relevant experience as well, but well, guess he's having a bad day.

My day has actually been pretty decent, boring but not bad, I guess I read it wrong, I thought you were trying to say I was way off base with that abstract.

 

[janoshik]

well, cheers then I guess

I don't think pressure spikes in trained athletes to be detrimental to their health at all.

 

[JesterBOB]

ah well, i didnt read the first post completely so i didnt get he is talking about long time spine health.
I would argue as long as it is properly executed and you are properly warmed up 3-5 reps aint worse than 10-12 reps regarding spine health.
I would even argue doing nothing all day but sitting on the coach is worse than heavy deadlifts. In my 8 years of powerlifting i did not suffer any spine issues.
Knee and elbow issues is another topic xD

for heavy lifting and cardiovascular system: mainly acute damage as @Type-IIx explained. Risk for Aneurysma for example.

Yes, here I think there is a preconceived notion that deadlift = a problem with the spine. I think it just needs to be done right. Again, I agree how much I did strength training and never had back problems due to deadlift.

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Any orthopedic doc you talk to will say the same thing. Compound lifts are great for strength and hypertrophy but are tough on the body. The shit of it is you can injure yourself doing less. I think it has a lot to do with genetics. Whether means your mechanical leverages are better or you have more muscle where it counts or that your discs in your spine just arent as strong. From what ive read you can have tiny cracks in the outter lamination of a disc for years and not bulge or herniate then they pick up a moving box and boom. Or you get powerlifters who have been DL north of 600lbs for a long time then one day boom. Also people who have a herniation but dont even know it because its not on a nerve. Stuart mcgill talks about a certain type of shape of disc that allows for high loads to be handled best.

 

[Hightower]

It’s rare you see a woman with lifting injuries. I think they generally have less ego and therefore don’t try to push more than they know they can handle.

This is coming from a guy with a history of both trivial and severe lifting injuries.

I didn’t notice this, I know that women are damn hardy, capable of performing huge volumes than men, but they have poor implementation of the maximum strength capabilities for one repetition.

 

[theotherguy]

I didn’t notice this, I know that women are damn hardy, capable of performing huge volumes than men, but they have poor implementation of the maximum strength capabilities for one repetition.

Then I must be a woman because I’m not very good at implementing strength for 1RM’s either

 

[Neckman]

If you have good spine then it is ok but even then I would drop them.

If you have sacrilizations in your spine then your discs will be under a lot of pressure and will eventually pop

 

[Hightower]

Then I must be a woman because I’m not very good at implementing strength for 1RM’s either

What if you don't know much about your genes?

 

[Hightower]

If you have good spine then it is ok but even then I would drop them.

If you have sacrilizations in your spine then your discs will be under a lot of pressure and will eventually pop

Problems with the spine are not a verdict, there are many practical stories when a muscular corcert was created around a sick department and a person began to live a full life.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

Not for me. Blood pressure is already too high.

 

[Neckman]

Any orthopedic doc you talk to will say the same thing. Compound lifts are great for strength and hypertrophy but are tough on the body. The shit of it is you can injure yourself doing less. I think it has a lot to do with genetics. Whether means your mechanical leverages are better or you have more muscle where it counts or that your discs in your spine just arent as strong. From what ive read you can have tiny cracks in the outter lamination of a disc for years and not bulge or herniate then they pick up a moving box and boom. Or you get powerlifters who have been DL north of 600lbs for a long time then one day boom. Also people who have a herniation but dont even know it because its not on a nerve. Stuart mcgill talks about a certain type of shape of disc that allows for high loads to be handled best.

Man speaks the truth. I deadlifted close to my max of 500 pounds weekly for maybe a decade never had back issues (good form which I took many videos of) then what day baam popped 2 discs while doing easy 315.

It depends on your anatomy. Later they found out that my L5-S1 was sacrilized putting more pressure on my L3-L4-L5. Some guys can get away with it with longer. Anyway I do McGill my back is fine now and actually disc are reabsorbing even tho pain is intense if I do wrong move which is why I avoid deadlift and barbell squat.

 

[Nerdrage_Hilmateam]

Problems with the spine are not a verdict, there are many practical stories when a muscular corcert was created around a sick department and a person began to live a full life.

I once had a client with 14 herniated discs and protrusions. They didn't even bother him in his daily life. It was partly due to his activity and muscle work

 

[Hightower]

I once had a client with 14 herniated discs and protrusions. They didn't even bother him in his daily life. It was partly due to his activity and muscle work

Sometimes hernias hurt less than protrusions, their placement is often important and whether they put pressure on the nerve roots or not. But for the most part, muscle tone and adequate activity work wonders. I have seen such examples.

 

[Nerdrage_Hilmateam]

Sometimes hernias hurt less than protrusions, their placement is often important and whether they put pressure on the nerve roots or not. But for the most part, muscle tone and adequate activity work wonders. I have seen such examples.

How good fortune favors and what the body's margin of safety is

 

[Hightower]

It's true sometimes you watch a person make a movement in such a way that he should have been injured a long time ago. But no, he progresses and progresses and is not injured. Apparently nature endowed him with a strong organism.