TREST/MENT without a test base?

[Jpmerr2021]

Just a quick one lads and ladies.

Soon going to be blasting MENT and just wondered what the deal is with Test?

I am on TRT and in the past when I have run MENT I have always kept test in at TRT levels.

Is this optimal? Or can I drop the TRT whilst blasting MENT and just resume it again when blast is over?

I have been on TRT for years and a little dumb/nervous about dropping it but I figure that as MENT heavily aromatises (especially in me) that dropping the TRT may help with this a little.

I could also be entirely wrong, I don’t have the knowledge of MENT like I do Tren, Deca etc etc, I just use it because it gets me fucking massive.

Alternatively is it worth just keeping the test in and sticking with AI. Wondering whether it might be more convenient just to use Letro with it as i aromatise heavily.

Cheers and all advice appreciated

 

[theotherguy]

There is no DHT conversion with MENT, so you would need to get that somehow, whether by a test base or using Mast or something like that.

@Iron_Yuppie has experience doing this

 

[Jpmerr2021]

There is no DHT conversion with MENT, so you would need to get that somehow, whether by a test base or using Mast or something like that.

@Iron_Yuppie has experience doing this

In that case it’s probably best to just keep the test in (low test) and use AI then.

Cheers bud

 

[Habib]

I heard Ment was developed as a TRT drug and a contraceptive. So yeah you can run it by itself.

 

[cmK9s33]

Just a quick one lads and ladies.

Soon going to be blasting MENT and just wondered what the deal is with Test?

I am on TRT and in the past when I have run MENT I have always kept test in at TRT levels.

Is this optimal? Or can I drop the TRT whilst blasting MENT and just resume it again when blast is over?

I have been on TRT for years and a little dumb/nervous about dropping it but I figure that as MENT heavily aromatises (especially in me) that dropping the TRT may help with this a little.

I could also be entirely wrong, I don’t have the knowledge of MENT like I do Tren, Deca etc etc, I just use it because it gets me fucking massive.

Alternatively is it worth just keeping the test in and sticking with AI. Wondering whether it might be more convenient just to use Letro with it as i aromatise heavily.

Cheers and all advice appreciated

You'll likely be ok without any test, but you may find that you do not feel best without any test. I've read accounts that some guys love trest without any test. Conversely, I've read that some people really prefer at least some test when using trest. Difficult to say for certain which camp you'll fall into.

 

[HighlyBaked]

In that case it’s probably best to just keep the test in (low test) and use AI then.

Cheers bud

I switched out half TRT dose for 3mg/d trest and figured I would use an low dose AI for the elevated methly E avoid potential puffy nips but in my case it smashed my E levels after just two doses so I figure arimidex doesn't work on it methly E. Just a hypothesis until I get blookwork though

 

[cmK9s33]

I switched out half TRT dose for 3mg/d trest and figured I would use an low dose AI for the elevated methly E avoid potential puffy nips but in my case it smashed my E levels after just two doses so I figure arimidex doesn't work on it methly E. Just a hypothesis until I get blookwork though

Unless someone aromatizes at a very high rate, I really don't think that person would need any AI for such a modest amount.

 

[HighlyBaked]

Unless someone aromatizes at a very high rate, I really don't think that person would need any AI for such a modest amount.

I was on board with you and I don't need AI upto about 350mg test but but my nips disagreed with both of us this time. Very interesting that AI crash me quick but SERM is fine. There's something to the comments that methly E does not get inhibited by AI but you can block it at the receptor level...

 

[cmK9s33]

I was on board with you and I don't need AI upto about 350mg test but but my nips disagreed with both of us this time. Very interesting that AI crash me quick but SERM is fine. There's something to the comments that methly E does not get inhibited by AI but you can block it at the receptor level...

Yikes, that's unfortunate. There definitely is some serious individual variability to it. Seemingly much more so than most aas.I was pretty fortunate with my previous use and did not need any AI when used in conjunction with 200mg/wk of testosterone.

Most of the reports I've read from guys state they prefer to use raloxifene or nolvadex instead of an AI to combat the gyno concerns. Ralox at 30mg/day seemed to be the most frequent method employed.

 

[barbell001]

Just a quick one lads and ladies.

Soon going to be blasting MENT and just wondered what the deal is with Test?

I am on TRT and in the past when I have run MENT I have always kept test in at TRT levels.

Is this optimal? Or can I drop the TRT whilst blasting MENT and just resume it again when blast is over?

I have been on TRT for years and a little dumb/nervous about dropping it but I figure that as MENT heavily aromatises (especially in me) that dropping the TRT may help with this a little.

I could also be entirely wrong, I don’t have the knowledge of MENT like I do Tren, Deca etc etc, I just use it because it gets me fucking massive.

Alternatively is it worth just keeping the test in and sticking with AI. Wondering whether it might be more convenient just to use Letro with it as i aromatise heavily.

Cheers and all advice appreciated

What dose do you run the MENT at and are you allowed to say what Lab it is?

 

[Para_33]

There is no DHT conversion with MENT, so you would need to get that somehow, whether by a test base or using Mast or something like that.

@Iron_Yuppie has experience doing this

I personally don’t have issues when I’ve run cycles with no testosterone. I don’t actually feel any different the times I’ve tried it for about 2 months in duration.

I’ve done These things solo with 1.4mg Estradiol Valerate per week to give me 40-60pg/ml e2 where I feel best.

1050deca

420 Tren A/ 12mg YK-11 injectable per day

700 Deca/ 350 Tren A

700 Tren A

700 Tren A/ 350 Injectable Winstrol/420mg Masteron P




If anything, I enjoy being able to use a fast acting testosterone gel or suspension pre workout because I get a sudden hit of high DHT and that really increases my strength acutely more than any oral I feel.

You really notice the DHT when it’s suddenly restored from a strength perspective only in my case. Mentally I don’t notice a difference. But that also could be because I have such high levels of androgenic activity from the other compounds.

 

[theotherguy]

I personally don’t have issues when I’ve run cycles with no testosterone. I don’t actually feel any different the times I’ve tried it for about 2 months in duration.

I’ve done These things solo with 1.4mg Estradiol Valerate per week to give me 40-60pg/ml e2 where I feel best.

1050deca

420 Tren A/ 12mg YK-11 injectable per day

700 Deca/ 350 Tren A

700 Tren A

700 Tren A/ 350 Injectable Winstrol/420mg Masteron P




If anything, I enjoy being able to use a fast acting testosterone gel or suspension pre workout because I get a sudden hit of high DHT and that really increases my strength acutely more than any oral I feel.

You really notice the DHT when it’s suddenly restored from a strength perspective only in my case. Mentally I don’t notice a difference. But that also could be because I have such high levels of androgenic activity from the other compounds.

I didn’t say you’d need a test base, I just said you’d need DHT. I guess I’m missing the point of your post

 

[Para_33]

I didn’t say you’d need a test base, I just said you’d need DHT. I guess I’m missing the point of your post

I was just going off my personal experience when you said Ment wouldn’t convert to DHT. Overall I was just saying for me, I had periods of time with no DHT present do to not having any testosterone as part of the cycle.

I know that having not having dht seems to be an issue for many though.

 

[Type-IIx]

MENT performed very poorly as a standalone contraceptive due to adverse effects on sexual function (this is why, despite its being studied as a potential male contraceptive, it was never pursued to market):

2 of 13 (15%) MENT subjects withdrew after 8 weeks of treatment due to low libido & erectile dysfunction...Adverse events included reduced libido & erectile function in 4 *additional* subjects in the MENT group who completed treatment (6/13, or 46%) [these adverse effects were not
reported by any subject in the testosterone group]...Due to the incidence of reports of low libido and early withdrawal in the MENT group, it was decided in consultation with the study Data Monitoring and Safety Committee to shorten the MENT treatment period to 24 weeks whereas men
in the testosterone group completed 48 weeks of treatment.

 

[Zeus45]

There is no DHT conversion with MENT, so you would need to get that somehow, whether by a test base or using Mast or something like that.

@Iron_Yuppie has experience doing this

Trestolone does not need. to convert to DHT. Its already. much more androgenic than testosterone and like tren doesnt have to 5ar reduce to become a more androgenic metabolite.

 

[Zeus45]

MENT performed very poorly as a standalone contraceptive due to adverse effects on sexual function (this is why, despite its being studied as a potential male contraceptive, it was never pursued to market):

2 of 13 (15%) MENT subjects withdrew after 8 weeks of treatment due to low libido & erectile dysfunction...Adverse events included reduced libido & erectile function in 4 *additional* subjects in the MENT group who completed treatment (6/13, or 46%) [these adverse effects were not
reported by any subject in the testosterone group]...Due to the incidence of reports of low libido and early withdrawal in the MENT group, it was decided in consultation with the study Data Monitoring and Safety Committee to shorten the MENT treatment period to 24 weeks whereas men
in the testosterone group completed 48 weeks of treatment.

The study gave too little MENT to the patients so they got estrogen deficiency which kills libido.

. Trestolone may cause sexual dysfunction (e.g., decreased sex drive, reduced erectile function) and decreased bone mineral density due to estrogen deficiency.

 

[Type-IIx]

The study gave too little MENT to the patients so they got estrogen deficiency which kills libido.

. Trestolone may cause sexual dysfunction (e.g., decreased sex drive, reduced erectile function) and decreased bone mineral density due to estrogen deficiency.

If you say so. What is enough MENT as a solo drug, then? Considering it's non-5α-reducible it would seem a poor choice without a test (or 5α-reducible androgen) "base." Estrogen's contribution to sexual function and BMD is rather irrelevant in men, androgen/T is far more effective in serving these functions.

 

[theotherguy]

Trestolone does not need. to convert to DHT. Its already. much more androgenic than testosterone and like tren doesnt have to 5ar reduce to become a more androgenic metabolite.

DHT is still necessary for optimal hormone balance and health. There’s a lot more to hormones and steroids than just how strong, jacked, or lean it makes you.

Can you run tren only? Sure, but you’ll be fucking miserable. Trest only probably wouldn’t be as miserable, due to its conversion to ME2, but your still be lacking with proper hormone balance.

 

[Type-IIx]

Trestolone does not need. to convert to DHT. Its already. much more androgenic than testosterone and like tren doesnt have to 5ar reduce to become a more androgenic metabolite.

Then why does Tren solo make your dick not work, and if you say estrogen, I'll laugh at you.

There is a tissue selectivity to 5α-reductase products, look at where its expression is high. DHT amplifies the effects of testosterone in tissues with high 5α-reductase activity such as the prostate and skin, but not in tissues with low 5α-reductase activity such as skeletal muscle and bone.

If Tren served to supersede 5α-reductase activity, it'd cause greater prostate growth (volume increases) than Test if used solo. In fact, the opposite occurs (even prostate shrinkage occurs; Tren reduces BPH risk).

 

[Zeus45]

Then why does Tren solo make your dick not work, and if you say estrogen, I'll laugh at you.

There is a tissue selectivity to 5α-reductase products, look at where its expression is high. DHT amplifies the effects of testosterone in tissues with high 5α-reductase activity such as the prostate and skin, but not in tissues with low 5α-reductase activity such as skeletal muscle and bone.

If Tren served to supersede 5α-reductase activity, it'd cause greater prostate growth (volume increases) than Test if used solo. In fact, the opposite occurs (even prostate shrinkage occurs; Tren reduces BPH risk).

Trenbolone only gave me positive libido effects. i dont run tren because it makes me tired and not hungry. Tren feels much more androgenic than something like nandrolone or even testosterone. People have used trenbolone solo and whenever they say something positive about , people just ignore it and call them. stupid.

At least one study in rats has shown trenbolone to cause gene expression of the androgen receptor (AR) at least as potent as dihydrotestosterone (DHT). This evidence tends to indicate trenbolone can cause an increase in male secondary sex characteristics without the need to convert to a more potent androgen in the body.