What's Your Opinion / View on Steroids shortening Lifespan?

[barbell001]

Happy Monday Guy's!!!

I came across this article this morning whilst I was waiting for my Breakfast to cook, which kind of unsettled my stomach a bit as its the first proven study that I have read on the life shortening effects that Steroids can potentially have (or likely cause).

What are peoples take on all this when running gear - Do you believe it or try to pretend it doesn't really happen and hope for the best? As I am getting older now and the more years that go by I am starting to pay more attention to it all. Obviously I am in no way anti steroids otherwise I wouldn't take them but there have been times where I wonder if I am just being plain idiotic and am failing to grasp what it truly feels like to have a much shorter life.

Exposure to anabolic-androgenic steroids shortens life span of male mice​

F H Bronson 1, C M Matherne
Exposure to anabolic-androgenic steroids shortens life span of male mice - PubMed

Abstract​

Adult male laboratory mice were exposed for 6 months to a combination of four anabolic-androgenic steroids of the kinds and at the relative levels to which human athletes and body builders expose themselves. The four steroids included testosterone, two 17-alkylated steroids, and an ester, and they were given at doses that totaled either 5 or 20 times normal androgenic maintenance levels for mice. By the time the survivors were 20 months old (1 yr after the termination of steroid exposure), 52% of the mice given the high dose of steroids had died compared with 35% of the mice given the low dose and only 12% of the control mice given no exogenous hormones (P < 0.001). Autopsy of the steroid-treated mice typically revealed tumors in the liver or kidney, other kinds of damage to these two organs, broadly invase lymphosarcomas, or heart damage, and usually more than one of these conditions. It can be concluded that the life span of male mice is decreased dramatically by exposing them for 6 months to the kinds and relative levels of anabolic steroids used by many athletes and body builders.

 

[1tank1]

Is the question actually about steroids or testosterone?
Generally speaking (and this is a big discussion) steroids will fuck you up long term but testosterone will do the opposite. Lots of variables to consider though like doses/duration/combos/age etc.

 

[OmL]

Our opinions are only that, opinions. Not many of us here at all have done any long term studies.

My Opinion? Yeah it’ll kill is if we fuck around. I monitor my blood pressure, kidneys, cholesterol and all that shit. Yeah I’m currently having a wild and fa static affair with some trenbolone. But I won’t be doing it after 40.

 

[1tank1]

But I won’t be doing it after 40.

But I 100% bet you will ROFL
It's like pringles. Once you start...you never stop
(assuming you know what pringles are).

 

[barbell001]

Our opinions are only that, opinions. Not many of us here at all have done any long term studies.

My Opinion? Yeah it’ll kill is if we fuck around. I monitor my blood pressure, kidneys, cholesterol and all that shit. Yeah I’m currently having a wild and fa static affair with some trenbolone. But I won’t be doing it after 40.

I guess also you have to take into account running steroids in a mouse for 6 month's straight is like us running gear for say 20 years with no break? They are not watching out for health concerns with bloodwork and BP problems so even if problems arise they are not stopping them and pushing though. There must be a certain accountability for not taking supplements etc for mitigating sides such as liver/heart/kidney protocols. I'm not saying these will save us but they do definitely help toxicity levels.

 

[Slowww]

Brother I am not a mouse. If I was born a mouse I would be worried but that ain’t me. It also says they gave the mice test+ oral steroids for 6 months. 5-20x the necessary amount. So I’m gonna assume it would be the equivalent of a human running grams and orals for the high quantity group nonstop for 6 months... That sounds absurd If we are gonna compare to “responsible” use. Typically the laboratory mice have 1.4-3 year life spans depending on how inbred and whatnot. Would you only blast (no cruise no PCT) Orals and grams of gear 15-30 years and expect not to have your organs fucked?
IMO I’m not ever gonna attempt a blast to get 20x natural testosterone levels for years with orals so I can’t really take these results as something to make me more concerned than I was before reading this.

 

[MFAAS]

IMO part of the key here is that they were given TWO, 17-alkylated (oral) steroids stacked in top reach other for like 25% of their lifespan straight. No breaks, no monitoring health markets and adjusting dose or regimen accordingly.

If someone took adrol and winny for 20 years straight I'd bet c everything they'd die young lol

 

[barbell001]

Is the question actually about steroids or testosterone?
Generally speaking (and this is a big discussion) steroids will fuck you up long term but testosterone will do the opposite. Lots of variables to consider though like doses/duration/combos/age etc.

I was thinking along the lines of proper steroid cycles such as Test, Deca or EQ and an oral mate. Ultimately we'd all like to feel satisfied just running Test by itself for the safety aspect but lets face it compared to running several compounds its just nowhere near as good or as effective. I tend to see that a lot of the guys who do just run test now or TRT doses have quite long history's of stacking in previous years - but they are now more safety conscious and do not seek the added size in return for bad sides that they once had.

 

[Megadick3000]

Can we highlight, in general, all the ways steroids could potentially kill you? I mean a breakdown by biological system that illustrates the potential vectors of harm steroids can cause?

Off the top of my head
- increased risks of cancers
- heart enlargement (this may be among the most common way steroids prematurely end users lives)
- blood clots, hypertension, strokes, anuerisms, other blood flow related shit
- liver disease
- kidney disease
- cardiovascular disease not related to hypertrophy of the heart tissue (like high cholesterol)

Did i miss anything?

Edit: i did.

- high BMI (the science is pretty clear the higher your BMI the lower your life expectancy, since most are using steroids to get bigger they are increasing their BMI)
- diabetes (im unsure how steroids directly influence this but high carb diets associated with the bulking lifestyle can definitely factor in here)

 

[1tank1]

Can we highlight, in general, all the ways steroids could potentially kill you? I mean a breakdown by biological system that illustrates the potential vectors of harm steroids can cause?

Off the top of my head
- increased risks of cancers
- heart enlargement (this may be among the most common way steroids prematurely end users lives)
- blood clots, hypertension, strokes, anuerisms, other blood flow related shit
- liver disease
- kidney disease
- cardiovascular disease not related to hypertrophy of the heart tissue (like high cholesterol)

Did i miss anything?

You could've saved yourself time typing and just summarised by saying shutdown of all various internal organs....sporadically.

You missed out "brain/mind fuckery"

 

[OmL]

But I 100% bet you will ROFL
It's like pringles. Once you start...you never stop
(assuming you know what pringles are).

As gay ass shit as this sounds. I have a beautiful wife who fulfils me with everything I need from a partner and companion amd more, and I will not spend less time with her just because I want to look good. She’s given me three wonderful children and I want to see them grow up too.


And my wife sucks a mean dick.

 

[1tank1]

As gay ass shit as this sounds. I have a beautiful wife who fulfils me with everything I need from a partner and companion amd more, and I will not spend less time with her just because I want to look good. She’s given me three wonderful children and I want to see them grow up too.


And my wife sucks a mean dick.

Bro, I'm really soft and emotional mentally when it comes to family/personal relationships but best to keep that stuff to yourself. Too many macho twats on bbing forums ready to bring you down and make you look weak and fucked up for caring

 

[OmL]

Bro, I'm really soft and emotional mentally when it comes to family/personal relationships but best to keep that stuff to yourself. Too many macho twats on bbing forums ready to bring you down and make you look weak and fucked up for caring

I feel sorry for people without it. So fuck ‘em.

 

[1tank1]

I feel sorry for people without it. So fuck ‘em.

Keep your sensitive private life off bbing forums bro. Best advice I can give ya

 

[Malphas]

Lots of cope in this thread. Doesn't matter if that particular study is flawed, everyone knows abusing steroids (and we're all abusing them, even if we're doing sensible cycles) will shorten your lifespan to varying degrees depending on genetics, extent of usage and luck.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

I still find it insane that bostin llloyd is dead at 29!!!

most bodybuilders die from a heart attack. any supplements you can take to prevent this?

 

[OmL]

20mg of cardio every day.

 

[EatClen/TrenHard]

20mg of cardio every day.

nice answer

 

[hometeam]

So, women live about 10% longer than men. Why is that? It's almost solely because testosterone and androgens shorten your lifespan.

It makes you more aggressive, so more men die of trauma in their earlier years. It causes cardiovascular disease, so more men have clogged arteries, clotting and heart valve issues, heart attacks, and strokes. And it causes prostate issues. We have a larger body- more cells more risk for cancer. It also gives us a slightly weaker immune system.

TRT clinics will be quick to point out that severely hypogonadal men live shorter lives too, so you need some testosterone for your health. But in my opinion, if you're strictly thinking about longevity it's not good to be a man, or to be taking androgenic drugs.

 

[barbell001]

I still find it insane that bostin llloyd is dead at 29!!!

most bodybuilders die from a heart attack. any supplements you can take to prevent this?

Cod Liver Oil definitely benefits the Heart and cardio vascular system but as to how much when you use gear I'm not sure. I take 3g's omega threes a day anyway.