Fellow posters with addiction/criminal history

[jJjburton]

Do any of you with serious criminal histories worry about getting caught with steroids? In many states, mere possession is a felony. With a serious criminal history, isn't a judge more likely to give a harsh sentence to you than, say, a first offender who gets his record wiped clean if he complies with probation?

Also if you live in a home or apartment with no foolishness going on, there is no reason for anyone to come inside. And if you drive around with steroids in your car you are dumb.

 

[hijoshiki]

So learn German (not that tough since English is a Germanic language) and emigrate. it's not that tough or restrictive of an immigration system, and you are eligible for citizenship in 8 years

I shouldn't have to wait 8 years. My family is from Germany, my father has a very German first and last name, in fact his first name is so rare in America that he is the only one with that name and there are only 5 of us in the States with the same last name, the rest in Germany. All of my relatives on my dads side are German living in Germany. I should be able to walk in Germany and announce that I'm back home.

 

[Nobeast]

No, I didn't speak of depression at all.

I was talking about addiction to a substance that isn't necessary for your survival.

Depression is real, but it's not a disease in most cases.

Take Naomi Judd that just killed herself a few days ago. She has struggled with depression for decades, I think she was Bipolar. Well she was getting ready to be inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame I believe yesterday and she died I think 24hrs before she was set to attend her ceremony. That's not just a coincidence, that's the stress of having to come out and face the world and many people find that crushing and for that reason we are seeing suicide rates explode, even among those that from the outside seem to have it all, they're working hard to keep up appearances while suffering in silence before they noose their necks.

No alcohol.....no alcoholic.

No drugs.....no drug addict.

Not having to deal with expectations that make them miserable, which is modern life....for most would be enough to keep them from suicide.

It's environmental most of the time all of these problems.

How many suicidal drug addicts do you know that are primitive hunter gatherers? There are none, mental illness among these groups is unheard of, it doesn't exist because the tribe is all on the same page. It's modern civilization that created all this fuckery.

That said there are real mental problems that just exist for no explained reason and are probably genetic or could be defects when a fetus was developing.

In the case of the hunter gatherers that have been studied for depression, I suspect those with mental defects that make them unfit for the riggers of survival would probably have them dead before they could reproduce and this might keep their herd healthy, where's modern civilization has no way to keep the mentally unfit from reproducing. Same thing for a wolf pack, the weak die or are killed off quickly.

You can always tell someone who is completely uninformed on addiction and mental illness and very likely had someone close to them in their family that struggled with one of those issues and holds a life long stigma and mentality towards it that it’s easy and you can just quit. It doesn’t work that way unfortunately. If it did we wouldn’t have people addicted to everything on this planet. There’s an addiction to anything you can find and yes you can include gear in that statement. It’s just a different kind of addiction and not everyone has it that uses them. You can’t say the same for heroin. Nobody shoots dope recreationally. You just can’t lump all addiction in the same category. If you were an alcoholic and I told you to just walk away you would understand that it doesn’t work like that

 

[hijoshiki]

You can always tell someone who is completely uninformed on addiction and mental illness and very likely had someone close to them in their family that struggled with one of those issues and holds a life long stigma and mentality towards it that it’s easy and you can just quit. It doesn’t work that way unfortunately. If it did we wouldn’t have people addicted to everything on this planet. There’s an addiction to anything you can find and yes you can include gear in that statement. It’s just a different kind of addiction and not everyone has it that uses them. You can’t say the same for heroin. Nobody shoots dope recreationally. You just can’t lump all addiction in the same category. If you were an alcoholic and I told you to just walk away you would understand that it doesn’t work like that

If alcohol didn't exist you wouldn't be addicted to it.

So alcoholism isn't innate, it is problem of producing a product that you can become addicted to.

That's why I used the space ship with only food and water and something to keep you mentally occupied. At that point there's nothing for you to be addicted to, so are you still an addict?

It's like someone that becomes obese, has a food addiction and wonders how to solve the problem. You stop eating.

My main problem with these gurus, support groups, head shrinks is that it's just a layer of complexity you don't need. What you suffer from is too much and what will solve the problem is walking away. The support group to hold your hand isn't necessary, either way you're gonna have to stop....no hand holding necessary. Matter of fact the support group is just another addiction you'll fall back on over and over.

As for dope addiction. Clearly a physical addiction that ravages the body and mind. It's not an innate addiction you were born with, it comes from the dope itself, toss the dope in the trash and move on with your life. It's that simple after you get done puking and sweating the addiction out of your system. Of course if your mind if fried there might be nothing to go back to.

 

[malfeasance]

I shouldn't have to wait 8 years. My family is from Germany, my father has a very German first and last name, in fact his first name is so rare in America that he is the only one with that name and there are only 5 of us in the States with the same last name, the rest in Germany. All of my relatives on my dads side are German living in Germany. I should be able to walk in Germany and announce that I'm back home.

Well, um, ok. Go there, make your announcement, and let us know how citizenship goes.

 

[hijoshiki]

Well, um, ok. Go there, make your announcement, and let us know how citizenship goes.

I looked up German citizen by decent, it does state that if your grandparent was German that you can apply for citizenship.

I would figure if I took a genetics test linking me to relatives in Germany that should be enough.

 

[malfeasance]

They make you take a genetic test? Records are not enough?

 

[hijoshiki]

They make you take a genetic test? Records are not enough?

I don't think genetic tests are required. It would probably look bad if a country required testing.

From reading the past few minutes it looks like genetic testing was cracked down on due to privacy concerns and paternity testing from fathers trying to find out if their babies are actually theirs.

It doesn't really matter, I would like if there was a easy process where I could have all my paperwork and leave for Germany when America eventually becomes a hellscape.

 

[BlackFrog]

The Scandinavian standard of living is far better than that of the United States.

They don't trap themselves with lots of material goods, they instead put their money into things that actually improve quality of life and it's obviously working because they live about 7-8 years longer than we do in the states.

America is all about Hollywood, living a sensational life, causing a big splash, but the truth is the vast majority live lives of quite desperation, dragging themselves to a job they despise, trying to avoid the pit falls set up to enslave into debt.

I had a friend from Norway, there government paid for healthcare, higher education is free. They didn't have the material trappings we have, what this guy did have is a masters in economics, smart as shit, good healthcare, clean healthy food, a clean place to grow up with low crime.

America the United States is rapidly becoming a shithole as we race to the bottom on every level, but don't worry our propaganda from hollywood will have you living make-believe that you to one day will hit the jackpot.

I'd trade the United States any day of the week to live in a Scandinavian country, to have grown up there would fit my personality a lot better.

There was a 70 year period when Norwegian immigrants came to the United States and 1 out of 3 returned back to Norway because who wouldn't and those that did, did there families an immense favor for the future. If I could have prevented my German grandfather from coming to this country after WWII I would have, I would have loved to grown up with my own people, my own culture and not been transplanted to a country where we are considered the enemy and need to be erased. To grow up where your ancestors are buried, and all my my ancestors are in Germany, why wouldn't I feel connected to that place that goes back to the Barbarians that crushed the Romans.

United States and it's capitalist religion offers nothing but distractions filled with empty trinkets that turn us into mindless hoarders.

I'm a US, spawned from immigrants. I wouldn't trade it away to be born where they come from, but it all comes down to personal preference and identity. Without going too far into the weeds, I'm pro-capitalism but not in the way it's been spiritually gutted and hijacked a la the West. I like capitalism– but I hate materialism. Now that said, going back to discussing between the US model and the Scandi novel, the guy I originally replied to also didn't account for something. The US is big as fuck AND rich as fuck. Per his model, financial incentive is disproportionately high, ergo, all innovation/advancement would come from here since that would be the logical conclusion. However, that isn't the case, especially because financial incentive isn't everything. In the US, a lot of people are pigeonholed into having to do careers they don't care for simply due to financial burden/limitations. On the flipside, witg Scandis, with things like UBI and whatnot, people are freed up to follow where their passions and talents lay. As a result, despite having far less total resources, smaller countries like that manage to go toe-to-toe with the American juggernaut in terms of innovation and advancements. Remember that the US GDP alone is still ~15% higher than all of Europe combined. And yet Scandis, French, and Germans are pushing a lot. The SWISS especially. Oh, and the UK as well. The ceiling is much lower, sure. But for the average person it's better and for the collective, makes them much more globally competitive proportionally.

 

[malfeasance]

I'm a US, spawned from immigrants. I wouldn't trade it away to be born where they come from, but it all comes down to personal preference and identity. Without going too far into the weeds, I'm pro-capitalism but not in the way it's been spiritually gutted and hijacked a la the West. I like capitalism– but I hate materialism. Now that said, going back to discussing between the US model and the Scandi novel, the guy I originally replied to also didn't account for something. The US is big as fuck AND rich as fuck. Per his model, financial incentive is disproportionately high, ergo, all innovation/advancement would come from here since that would be the logical conclusion. However, that isn't the case, especially because financial incentive isn't everything. In the US, a lot of people are pigeonholed into having to do careers they don't care for simply due to financial burden/limitations. On the flipside, witg Scandis, with things like UBI and whatnot, people are freed up to follow where their passions and talents lay. As a result, despite having far less total resources, smaller countries like that manage to go toe-to-toe with the American juggernaut in terms of innovation and advancements. Remember that the US GDP alone is still ~15% higher than all of Europe combined. And yet Scandis, French, and Germans are pushing a lot. The SWISS especially. Oh, and the UK as well. The ceiling is much lower, sure. But for the average person it's better and for the collective, makes them much more globally competitive proportionally.

There are no Scandinavian countries with UBI.

Anyway, go live there. Try it out. Maybe it's great in Finland. Maybe it's not. Don't go to Sweden though, as they will arrest you for steroids based on looking too muscular. So that leaves Norway and Finland. Let us know how it goes.

 

[BlackFrog]

There are no Scandinavian countries with UBI.

Anyway, go live there. Try it out. Maybe it's great in Finland. Maybe it's not. Don't go to Sweden though, as they will arrest you for steroids based on looking too muscular. So that leaves Norway and Finland. Let us know how it goes.

My bad on the UBI then. Point still remains though. And I did say I'm happy to stick it out here in the States. I went on that spiel mainly as a "food for thought" kind of perspective. My QoL/lifestyle is way better where I am here, Imo, than if I moved there.

 

[hijoshiki]

There are no Scandinavian countries with UBI.

Anyway, go live there. Try it out. Maybe it's great in Finland. Maybe it's not. Don't go to Sweden though, as they will arrest you for steroids based on looking too muscular. So that leaves Norway and Finland. Let us know how it goes.

I think Finland was ranked #1 for happiness index five years in a row.

GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, generosity, social support, freedom to make life choices and perceptions of corruption were how they ranked.

Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands. Are the top 5.

United States is ranked 16 and I suspect which state you live in might put it towards the bottom of the list.

Drug overdoses are 30 for every 100K in the States. Germany is 2 for every 100K. Which suggest there's a level of despair and hopelessness that doesn't' exist in these Western European countries.

We tell ourselves over and over we're the greatest country in the world and we are when it comes to the military, we are the best in the business, no one else can do death and destruction like we do, but when it comes to things that matter in everyone's daily life, we're going to shit fast, except we ignore it thanks to our hollywood media machine that does everything possible to avoid reality.

 

[jJjburton]

I think Finland was ranked #1 for happiness index five years in a row.

GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, generosity, social support, freedom to make life choices and perceptions of corruption were how they ranked.

Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands. Are the top 5.

United States is ranked 16 and I suspect which state you live in might put it towards the bottom of the list.

Drug overdoses are 30 for every 100K in the States. Germany is 2 for every 100K. Which suggest there's a level of despair and hopelessness that doesn't' exist in these Western European countries.

We tell ourselves over and over we're the greatest country in the world and we are when it comes to the military, we are the best in the business, no one else can do death and destruction like we do, but when it comes to things that matter in everyone's daily life, we're going to shit fast, except we ignore it thanks to our hollywood media machine that does everything possible to avoid reality.

Media is the most toxic bs, all for views

 

[hijoshiki]

Media is the most toxic bs, all for views

I think the media at least in America serves the purpose of advertising and marketing. Planting the idea that you aren't anything unless you own this or you do this or you live a certain way. There's no other means to manipulate in mass without some form of media.

What would be more interesting is to cut the media completely off, snip the cord and leave people to create their own lives on their own terms with zero coercion and lets see what happens, what would they gravitate towards and what would they no longer care about at all. It would be interesting to see a people that have never seen a commercial or extreme wealth tossed in their face, never even heard of such things.

That's why I consider capitalism as it is practiced today as a religion, because you gotta spread the gospel in order to create believers that otherwise would have been perfectly fine to live without it.

 

[valuum]

This thread kind of changed topics. But one of the reasons Scandinavia and other parts of Europe has a better prison system is because they have a better prisoner. I see pictures of those nice hotel-prisons and my first thought is: “Pooky would make a weapon out of *that*, Junebug would break *this* just because he’s antisocial” etc. we have an incredibly scummy criminal population.

If you’ve ever been to prison like me you’d see there’s two types of people. Guys who stole a bunch of shit because they were dope sick (which is still bad, but they wouldn’t have done it sober) and non-addicts who stuck a gun in the 7-11 clerks face purely out of greed.

 

[Djdj97]

There are no Scandinavian countries with UBI.

Anyway, go live there. Try it out. Maybe it's great in Finland. Maybe it's not. Don't go to Sweden though, as they will arrest you for steroids based on looking too muscular. So that leaves Norway and Finland. Let us know how it goes.

This thread kind of changed topics. But one of the reasons Scandinavia and other parts of Europe has a better prison system is because they have a better prisoner. I see pictures of those nice hotel-prisons and my first thought is: “Pooky would make a weapon out of *that*, Junebug would break *this* just because he’s antisocial” etc. we have an incredibly scummy criminal population.

If you’ve ever been to prison like me you’d see there’s two types of people. Guys who stole a bunch of shit because they were dope sick (which is still bad, but they wouldn’t have done it sober) and non-addicts who stuck a gun in the 7-11 clerks face purely out of greed.

That is definately true. Like 80% of Finlands prisoners have a drug problem

 

[valuum]

That is definately true. Like 80% of Finlands prisoners have a drug problem

You ever see reinderspotting? It was a finish movie about suboxone (called something different there) addicts. They actually just came out with a sequel that I had to really search for to download via torrent. It’s called Lost Boys and it follows the story of what happened to the main documentary subject after the left Finland and was found dead in Asia under strange circumstances. It’s a real niche documentary but most finish drug users I’ve talked to online knew about it.

 

[Djdj97]

You ever see reinderspotting? It was a finish movie about suboxone (called something different there) addicts. They actually just came out with a sequel that I had to really search for to download via torrent. It’s called Lost Boys and it follows the story of what happened to the main documentary subject after the left Finland and was found dead in Asia under strange circumstances. It’s a real niche documentary but most finish drug users I’ve talked to online knew about it.

Yeah man i think about every finn knows the movie of the crazy laplanders haha. Yeah it was in the news here that the guy was found dead in cambodia or something and its ruled a suicide even though clear signs of something else.

 

[malfeasance]

Actually sounds interesting

 

[Nobeast]

If alcohol didn't exist you wouldn't be addicted to it.

So alcoholism isn't innate, it is problem of producing a product that you can become addicted to.

That's why I used the space ship with only food and water and something to keep you mentally occupied. At that point there's nothing for you to be addicted to, so are you still an addict?

It's like someone that becomes obese, has a food addiction and wonders how to solve the problem. You stop eating.

My main problem with these gurus, support groups, head shrinks is that it's just a layer of complexity you don't need. What you suffer from is too much and what will solve the problem is walking away. The support group to hold your hand isn't necessary, either way you're gonna have to stop....no hand holding necessary. Matter of fact the support group is just another addiction you'll fall back on over and over.

As for dope addiction. Clearly a physical addiction that ravages the body and mind. It's not an innate addiction you were born with, it comes from the dope itself, toss the dope in the trash and move on with your life. It's that simple after you get done puking and sweating the addiction out of your system. Of course if your mind if fried there might be nothing to go back to.

Your a clown with zero knowledge of the subject. Keep your day job as a college aged know it all.