Fellow posters with addiction/criminal history

[slarshyeight31]

Anyone with the ability to reason would quickly see that there is no innate inborn disease called addiction.

If I sent you into outer space with just the things you needed, food, water and something to keep you occupied. You wouldn't be an addict.

Native Americans didn't have booze to destroy them before we showed up. We created the problem ourselves, it didn't exist in nature, it was never needed.

AA is naturally bound to go down the Christian route and so are lots of other organizations that are said to help. You replaced one weakness for another weakness which is losing your grasp on reality and believing in the Easter bunny.

When I was young my mom dated a guy going to AA, I attended some of those meetings as a young kid.

AA is just another addiction, it's the same old shit. You're too weak to change without grasping onto something else.

It's like those that insist they would become murderers and rapists if there was no God to keep them on the straight and narrow.

I gotta think it's not about addiction with these people and it's more about being mentally fucked.

I'm a skeptic and pessimist, it's in my DNA to question everything and I for one can't see why someone would want to become sober and not also question AA as well. Why not reject the whole mess and reclaim your life.

Quitting is the easiest thing in life. You just walk away. What's hard is remaining an alcoholic, that takes real work to sustain that lifestyle.

Jesus fucking Christ dude… You are such an ignorant piece of shit for saying all of this lol! You stated earlier that you just never drank or used drugs after college so you have absolutely no experience as an addict whatsoever. You are what we call a normie in AA. Please don’t try and pretend that you know anything about It lol.. The most important aspect of the program is the 12 steps which actually let me take a look at my underlying issues and to deal with them instead of running away with drugs and alcohol.

 

[hijoshiki]

Well you could argue that that's exactly what addictions are, weakness of the mind or atleast a part of it. Can i ask, do you have history with addiction of any kind? Because i have to disagree with you hard on quitting is easy. Addiction to narcotics or alcohol is almost always because of depression, trauma, or ptsd etc. and the person uses narcotics to numb themselves, and to function. So its not easy to quit, because without it you fall in to darkness. It's actually just the same as saying "just smile and get over it" to a depressed person, because thats usually what an addict is: depressed. (Or something like that).
And yeah the pressures and standards of modern day life create these problems.

I'm not gonna call addiction a weakness of the mind.

If a person is going through depression or addiction or both, they don't just label themselves with a disease or at least they shouldn't.

Sit down and take note of what is causing the desire to escape or what is causing depression.

First thing I tell people, imagine you're filthy rich, you live in a paradise, you have all your needs taken care of, you will never have to put up with shit again in life, you are secure.

Are you still depressed, is there still something that drives you to want to self destruct, or do you suddenly feel a great weight off your shoulders knowing that you live on fantasy island and everything is gonna be fantastic from here on out.

So I ask, is the drug addiction and depression caused by your life situation, the people that fuck with you, the society that fucks with you, the society that taught you to hate yourself and look down on yourself because you don't measure up to others?

Now we go back to my good friend Diogenes, the homeless ancient Greek philosopher madman that was content to own nothing, live in a barrel and survive only by his wits, as he cynically made fun of the pursuits of people around him as they furiously chased the cheddar, while he whipped his cock out in public and began to masturbate.

It's all a state of mind and if your mind is caught up in the world then naturally you could be one of the unlucky millions who are crushed by expectation that is forced on all of us in or that we justify our existence in the eyes of others.

The objective for anyone suffering this plight is to free their mind from the bondage they carry thanks to years of programming you have received. As Master Yoda taught...."you must unlearn what you have learned". A state that is thought-free, alert, attentive, but clings to no content. In other words your true nature, before huge piles of bullshit was piled on.

 

[hijoshiki]

That you think no one fucks with anyone in a primitive society is utterly hilarious.

Same with your assumption that they don't have pecking orders, castes, humiliation, etc.

It boggles the mind really.

The "noble savage" myth was put to bed rather a while ago.

Best of luck with that operating strategy though. "If it fits your macros" and all that.

What you're talking about are groups that have grown in size thanks to war, plunder and slavery.

Lets go back to the Aztecs, they are by our standards backwards, but they represent a large complex society.

Now how does an untouched group of say 50 people act. Do they work together or do they come up with a means of ritualized humiliation and sadistically fuck with each other to the point they start killing one another?

Why don't we see this in nature? Lets use Orca's as an example, pretty smart creature, these pods can remain together for many years. They remain together for life as long as there's an older female to lead the pod. They also interact with other pods for potential mates. So are we to think humans can't do the same without killing each other, are we lower than Orca's?

 

[hijoshiki]

Jesus fucking Christ dude… You are such an ignorant piece of shit for saying all of this lol! You stated earlier that you just never drank or used drugs after college so you have absolutely no experience as an addict whatsoever. You are what we call a normie in AA. Please don’t try and pretend that you know anything about It lol.. The most important aspect of the program is the 12 steps which actually let me take a look at my underlying issues and to deal with them instead of running away with drugs and alcohol.

You can call me a normie.

That said on my dads side I got all the lessons from an early age of what alcoholism and drugs do to people. My dad was put in foster care because of an abusive drunk dad that beat the shit out of him and a mother that drank herself to death at 42.

Out of all of his brothers and he had 5, they all ended up either dead or in prison, one even for murdering his wife and stuffing her body under the house.

I'm not some sheltered guy that hasn't seen anything. All of my relatives were drunks on my dads side. I don't have a single picture of them without alcohol, including for breakfast and while sitting on the toilet.

I'll tell you, either quit or don't quit, but AA and all this other bullshit is just a circle jerk in a room full of people.

 

[Tommygunnz]

We all feel you bro. Me,personally, I just got done doing a 15 year prison bid in Fl. With good time I did 12 years 9 months,before that I was an opiate addict to the nth. We all have struggle,it’s how we over come them that matters. This may sound crazy but I don’t think I would change my life for anything,well maybe to spend a little more time with my family but other than that. Prison made me who I am now, no where else in the world will you learn to respect EVERYONE and always keep your word. It’s funny, because people out here DONT keep their word or tell the truth. Or respect everyone for that matter. Me,I respect everyone(want mine in return), I always keep my word and I try to ALWAYS keep it honest. Just the ways of life. I learned the meaning of family and loyalty(thanks to those that stuck by my side) and I took a horrible experience and came out a better man. Now,I found my place in the gym,have a sense of community here( even tho I’m very new to all this tech shit), and I’m a productive human being who can laugh at my passed indiscretions. Just keep fighting and you will over come it. And don’t let anyone knock you because of who you are or what you do because behind closed doors,they’re probably 100x worse. Oh,and if you’re trying to quit,routines really really help. Stay swole.

 

[Djdj97]

We all feel you bro. Me,personally, I just got done doing a 15 year prison bid in Fl. With good time I did 12 years 9 months,before that I was an opiate addict to the nth. We all have struggle,it’s how we over come them that matters. This may sound crazy but I don’t think I would change my life for anything,well maybe to spend a little more time with my family but other than that. Prison made me who I am now, no where else in the world will you learn to respect EVERYONE and always keep your word. It’s funny, because people out here DONT keep their word or tell the truth. Or respect everyone for that matter. Me,I respect everyone(want mine in return), I always keep my word and I try to ALWAYS keep it honest. Just the ways of life. I learned the meaning of family and loyalty(thanks to those that stuck by my side) and I took a horrible experience and came out a better man. Now,I found my place in the gym,have a sense of community here( even tho I’m very new to all this tech shit), and I’m a productive human being who can laugh at my passed indiscretions. Just keep fighting and you will over come it. And don’t let anyone knock you because of who you are or what you do because behind closed doors,they’re probably 100x worse. Oh,and if you’re trying to quit,routines really really help. Stay swole.

Thanks man i appreciate it.
But damn man its crazy how in Scandinavia you cant even get more than 12 years from anything less than murder which is always "life" which means approx. 16 years here lol. In US and other countries i feel like 12 is normal for something like an aggravated robbery. I was in myself for aggravated robbery and i guess in english its something like aggravated kidnapping or whatever, and i got only 3 years and 9 months for it, in US i probably would of got more than 10 easily.

 

[klokke23]

Most of guys that are in lifting and peds has a past similar to your.

Indeed.
Underage drinking, smoked weed, stole beer, sold weed, sold pills, violence, police. In that order.
I've got myself to thank for it. I've been accepted to numerous schools for postgrad work in Australia. But I have doubts my student visa app will pass... Major bummer

 

[Tommygunnz]

Thanks man i appreciate it.
But damn man its crazy how in Scandinavia you cant even get more than 12 years from anything less than murder which is always "life" which means approx. 16 years here lol. In US and other countries i feel like 12 is normal for something like an aggravated robbery. I was in myself for aggravated robbery and i guess in english its something like aggravated kidnapping or whatever, and i got only 3 years and 9 months for it, in US i probably would of got more than 10 easily.

Yeah, definitely would have gotten around 10. Especially in Florida ,which is a whole lot more strict than most states. I got 15 years for manslaughter,I killed someone’s but it was 100% a complete accident. That didn’t matter,still had to do a long time. But like I said ,I accepted it instead of letting it turn to hate and I used it for the better. The only problem is that it creates an undeserved stigma for a lot of people. Not everyone in prison is bad,some people just fuck up. Thanks for sharing this and starting this thread.

 

[Nilatac]

As long as there are innocent people in prisons and that's around the world I spit on whole judicial system.
It's wrong how everything is dealt starting from how people get conviction, how they are treat after they are out and so on. A judge that has burn with coffee in the morning can get you with another 3 years just because he can.

 

[Djdj97]

Yeah, definitely would have gotten around 10. Especially in Florida ,which is a whole lot more strict than most states. I got 15 years for manslaughter,I killed someone’s but it was 100% a complete accident. That didn’t matter,still had to do a long time. But like I said ,I accepted it instead of letting it turn to hate and I used it for the better. The only problem is that it creates an undeserved stigma for a lot of people. Not everyone in prison is bad,some people just fuck up. Thanks for sharing this and starting this thread.

I agree theres a lot of people in prison who are not bad. Its also not that black and white, when people see me right now when im sober and off the criminal circle, they would never believe that i have ever been violent. I cant blame the drugs for the shit i have done, but all im saying is that its not that black and white. I know in my heart that i am a person who wishes only good for others and hate to see weaker people get bullied or fucked with. This thread turned out to be great, seeing how many people have got rid of all that shit with the help of fitness. Thank you for sharing your story mate.

 

[Djdj97]

Indeed.
Underage drinking, smoked weed, stole beer, sold weed, sold pills, violence, police. In that order.
I've got myself to thank for it. I've been accepted to numerous schools for postgrad work in Australia. But I have doubts my student visa app will pass... Major bummer

I really hope your visa application gets accepted, hate to see people miss their chances because of their past.

 

[BlackFrog]

I do not like this. This breeds weak people with no drive. Who was the last Scandinavian person to change the world with something accomplished? Or anything of note?

there needs to be consequences for not paying bills and being productive. Capitalism rewards the driven. Without that, the USA would be inconsequential like all the Scandinavian countries too. And we appear to be headed to Loserland in the states soon too though. Literally seeing what has set us apart from the rest of the world just be given away without a fight. So maddening

It's funny you say this because a lot of advancement in medicine/pharmacology and chemicals is driven by the Scandis.

 

[klokke23]

It's funny you say this because a lot of advancement in medicine/pharmacology and chemicals is driven by the Scandis.

Yeah what a ridiculous comment. There's always important advancements in tech in all kinds of fields, in many countries. Unless it's the cure for cancer or the hydrogen car, you're not going to know about it.

 

[malfeasance]

Do any of you with serious criminal histories worry about getting caught with steroids? In many states, mere possession is a felony. With a serious criminal history, isn't a judge more likely to give a harsh sentence to you than, say, a first offender who gets his record wiped clean if he complies with probation?

 

[hijoshiki]

Do any of you with serious criminal histories worry about getting caught with steroids? In many states, mere possession is a felony. With a serious criminal history, isn't a judge more likely to give a harsh sentence to you than, say, a first offender who gets his record wiped clean if he complies with probation?

If I did 10 years in prison I'd be doing transdermal with DMSO and keeping my raws in the sugar container so I'd have no paraphernalia like needles, vials, even alcohol wipes.

 

[Djdj97]

Do any of you with serious criminal histories worry about getting caught with steroids? In many states, mere possession is a felony. With a serious criminal history, isn't a judge more likely to give a harsh sentence to you than, say, a first offender who gets his record wiped clean if he complies with probation?

Luckily in Finland steroid posession and use is not illegal, only selling is.

 

[hijoshiki]

It's funny you say this because a lot of advancement in medicine/pharmacology and chemicals is driven by the Scandis.

The Scandinavian standard of living is far better than that of the United States.

They don't trap themselves with lots of material goods, they instead put their money into things that actually improve quality of life and it's obviously working because they live about 7-8 years longer than we do in the states.

America is all about Hollywood, living a sensational life, causing a big splash, but the truth is the vast majority live lives of quite desperation, dragging themselves to a job they despise, trying to avoid the pit falls set up to enslave into debt.

I had a friend from Norway, there government paid for healthcare, higher education is free. They didn't have the material trappings we have, what this guy did have is a masters in economics, smart as shit, good healthcare, clean healthy food, a clean place to grow up with low crime.

America the United States is rapidly becoming a shithole as we race to the bottom on every level, but don't worry our propaganda from hollywood will have you living make-believe that you to one day will hit the jackpot.

I'd trade the United States any day of the week to live in a Scandinavian country, to have grown up there would fit my personality a lot better.

There was a 70 year period when Norwegian immigrants came to the United States and 1 out of 3 returned back to Norway because who wouldn't and those that did, did there families an immense favor for the future. If I could have prevented my German grandfather from coming to this country after WWII I would have, I would have loved to grown up with my own people, my own culture and not been transplanted to a country where we are considered the enemy and need to be erased. To grow up where your ancestors are buried, and all my my ancestors are in Germany, why wouldn't I feel connected to that place that goes back to the Barbarians that crushed the Romans.

United States and it's capitalist religion offers nothing but distractions filled with empty trinkets that turn us into mindless hoarders.

 

[Djdj97]

The Scandinavian standard of living is far better than that of the United States.

They don't trap themselves with lots of material goods, they instead put their money into things that actually improve quality of life and it's obviously working because they live about 7-8 years longer than we do in the states.

America is all about Hollywood, living a sensational life, causing a big splash, but the truth is the vast majority live lives of quite desperation, dragging themselves to a job they despise, trying to avoid the pit falls set up to enslave into debt.

I had a friend from Norway, there government paid for healthcare, higher education is free. They didn't have the material trappings we have, what this guy did have is a masters in economics, smart as shit, good healthcare, clean healthy food, a clean place to grow up with low crime.

America the United States is rapidly becoming a shithole as we race to the bottom on every level, but don't worry our propaganda from hollywood will have you living make-believe that you to one day will hit the jackpot.

I'd trade the United States any day of the week to live in a Scandinavian country, to have grown up there would fit my personality a lot better.

There was a 70 year period when Norwegian immigrants came to the United States and 1 out of 3 returned back to Norway because who wouldn't and those that did, did there families an immense favor for the future. If I could have prevented my German grandfather from coming to this country after WWII I would have, I would have loved to grown up with my own people, my own culture and not been transplanted to a country where we are considered the enemy and need to be erased. To grow up where your ancestors are buried, and all my my ancestors are in Germany, why wouldn't I feel connected to that place that goes back to the Barbarians that crushed the Romans.

United States and it's capitalist religion offers nothing but distractions filled with empty trinkets that turn us into mindless hoarders.

Sadly in many nordic countries crime rates are going up, for example sweden is now i think almost on top of europes crime rates. Finland and Norway are not as bad, but with over-immigration, exclusion and more drugs coming in its going downhill here too. Depends a lot on where you live too.

 

[malfeasance]

The Scandinavian standard of living is far better than that of the United States.

They don't trap themselves with lots of material goods, they instead put their money into things that actually improve quality of life and it's obviously working because they live about 7-8 years longer than we do in the states.

America is all about Hollywood, living a sensational life, causing a big splash, but the truth is the vast majority live lives of quite desperation, dragging themselves to a job they despise, trying to avoid the pit falls set up to enslave into debt.

I had a friend from Norway, there government paid for healthcare, higher education is free. They didn't have the material trappings we have, what this guy did have is a masters in economics, smart as shit, good healthcare, clean healthy food, a clean place to grow up with low crime.

America the United States is rapidly becoming a shithole as we race to the bottom on every level, but don't worry our propaganda from hollywood will have you living make-believe that you to one day will hit the jackpot.

I'd trade the United States any day of the week to live in a Scandinavian country, to have grown up there would fit my personality a lot better.

There was a 70 year period when Norwegian immigrants came to the United States and 1 out of 3 returned back to Norway because who wouldn't and those that did, did there families an immense favor for the future. If I could have prevented my German grandfather from coming to this country after WWII I would have, I would have loved to grown up with my own people, my own culture and not been transplanted to a country where we are considered the enemy and need to be erased. To grow up where your ancestors are buried, and all my my ancestors are in Germany, why wouldn't I feel connected to that place that goes back to the Barbarians that crushed the Romans.

United States and it's capitalist religion offers nothing but distractions filled with empty trinkets that turn us into mindless hoarders.

So learn German (not that tough since English is a Germanic language) and emigrate. it's not that tough or restrictive of an immigration system, and you are eligible for citizenship in 8 years

 

[jJjburton]

Do any of you with serious criminal histories worry about getting caught with steroids? In many states, mere possession is a felony. With a serious criminal history, isn't a judge more likely to give a harsh sentence to you than, say, a first offender who gets his record wiped clean if he complies with probation?

But then how do you get HUGE!?