Well this thread turned into pure win.
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Well actually you are right there, i was not thinking straight when i said that Trump was worse. Also these things i said were a bit excarbated (not sure if i spelled it right) just like the things he said about Scandinavia.
Like Finland has the best education in the whole world, and those big taxes also go to us having free healthcare, free education. The welfare system is great.
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I want to add that these things i said we're exacerbated, just like the guy who wrote about Scandinavia. Its true that in the US if you have the motivation, skills and a bit of luck to do something you can succeed better than almost anywhere else in the world. But i.e. Finland has the best education system in the whole world among other things that are great. People who say the welfare system sucks clearly have never had to be using it against their own will.
Yes i here you there. Lickily i found a group who really all has 20+ years of sobriety yet made there lives into something beautiful in there own individual way, and its through zoom. Which i actually like alot. I have been to some of those groups where the groups become the new addiction.
And yes the new AA its more spiritual then the oldschool god stuff. Which i enjoy too, because i have a hard time yet i am trying to come up with a higher power. But everytime it sounds mor like coincidences then a higher power doing it. I do believe in having a healthy spiritual side of meditating and staying in the present moment.
How the hell did this turn into a domecratic vs republican, trump vs not trump!
I ask for forgiveness i was a part of this, i will now strive to hold the subject on what it was
Got a little carried away, maybe i should check my e2.
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I just sit back and grab the popcorn when Americans get all weirdly patriotic or sack ride trump
Anyone with the ability to reason would quickly see that there is no innate inborn disease called addiction.
If I sent you into outer space with just the things you needed, food, water and something to keep you occupied. You wouldn't be an addict.
Native Americans didn't have booze to destroy them before we showed up. We created the problem ourselves, it didn't exist in nature, it was never needed.
AA is naturally bound to go down the Christian route and so are lots of other organizations that are said to help. You replaced one weakness for another weakness which is losing your grasp on reality and believing in the Easter bunny.
I agree, but what you have to admit is AA is a shitlot better of an addiction than drugs or alcohol. That being said AA or NA did not work for me.
The problem with this kind of mindset is that it ignores the complexities of the issues at hand.
Capitalism, just like Communism is just another form of religion, both are dangerous and retard the mind.
Capitalism is a cheddar chasing game, you run the maze like a rat and you get your cheese. Nothing special about that and certainly nothing to keep all people happy chasing cheese all the time without looking up one day and asking themselves "why the fuck am I running this maze".
There has to be a higher purpose than extreme individuality that is championed with Capitalism. It's a divide and conqueror game. Creates a system of "rankism", which at its core according to most research is the very root of human misery.
It wasn't living the hard life of a Tibetan that caused their society to fall apart and for suicide rates to increase. They had a life where most people were equal, even if most people were what we'd call poor. They were far removed from information of the outside world so they didn't have that nagging feeling of inferiority(something pushed relentlessly hard in capitalism). However when the Chinese came in and created divisions of labor and rewarded the rats that chased the most cheese that's when things started to go really bad and there society went from cohesive, to a state of misery as they looked at a world with no meaning other than how much shit you own and how you compared to others.
A group of people working together can accomplish incredible things. A group that has a shared identity and purpose give people meaning in their lives.
However capitalism creates a hierarchy with a few at top that are serviced by a huge group below that are supposed to one day work tirelessly to aspire to a top position so they to one day can whip out their cocks and rain piss down on those below.
yeah another former addict. Been clean 7 years. Jail time when I was 21-23 sprinkled in. Just started using gear a year or so ago but have been lifting since 13-14. My gear use is nothing like my addiction. I get the idea of not wanting to slip into old habits but I find that it doesn’t correlate for me. I don’t have to scrape together 40 bucks to get well or any weird shit like that.
Yeah its different, but for me i notice the person who was using all drugs together and always wanted to do more. I sometimes find myself thinking you know, what if i upped my dose or add another compound in even if im doing very good already. The good part is that its so much more easy to control than drug use, so yeah its totally different.
When I was young my mom dated a guy going to AA, I attended some of those meetings as a young kid.
AA is just another addiction, it's the same old shit. You're too weak to change without grasping onto something else.
It's like those that insist they would become murderers and rapists if there was no God to keep them on the straight and narrow.
I gotta think it's not about addiction with these people and it's more about being mentally fucked.
I'm a skeptic and pessimist, it's in my DNA to question everything and I for one can't see why someone would want to become sober and not also question AA as well. Why not reject the whole mess and reclaim your life.
Quitting is the easiest thing in life. You just walk away. What's hard is remaining an alcoholic, that takes real work to sustain that lifestyle.
There is no correlation.
AAS is enhancing. Narcotics and alcohol break you down.
Only because AAS is illegal and we use needles do we get tossed into the drug addict category because LE likes that, it's good for business to smear us with sensational nonsense that has a public believe we go around slamming old ladies to the ground for getting in our way.
Because we get shutdown and withdraw from steroids for some can be a battle when you have no nuts to go back to, that gets confused with being an addict, when the truth is you just need a little T so you don't go around acting like Joe Biden.
This is also the sort of stupid shit people say to the clinically depressed. "Just smile and feel better! Fukkin easy!"
It is small minded, moronic, and assumes a homogeneity to the human organism that doesn't exist.
No, I didn't speak of depression at all.
I was talking about addiction to a substance that isn't necessary for your survival.
Depression is real, but it's not a disease in most cases.
Take Naomi Judd that just killed herself a few days ago. She has struggled with depression for decades, I think she was Bipolar. Well she was getting ready to be inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame I believe yesterday and she died I think 24hrs before she was set to attend her ceremony. That's not just a coincidence, that's the stress of having to come out and face the world and many people find that crushing and for that reason we are seeing suicide rates explode, even among those that from the outside seem to have it all, they're working hard to keep up appearances while suffering in silence before they noose their necks.
No alcohol.....no alcoholic.
No drugs.....no drug addict.
Not having to deal with expectations that make them miserable, which is modern life....for most would be enough to keep them from suicide.
It's environmental most of the time all of these problems.
How many suicidal drug addicts do you know that are primitive hunter gatherers? There are none, mental illness among these groups is unheard of, it doesn't exist because the tribe is all on the same page. It's modern civilization that created all this fuckery.
That said there are real mental problems that just exist for no explained reason and are probably genetic or could be defects when a fetus was developing.
In the case of the hunter gatherers that have been studied for depression, I suspect those with mental defects that make them unfit for the riggers of survival would probably have them dead before they could reproduce and this might keep their herd healthy, where's modern civilization has no way to keep the mentally unfit from reproducing. Same thing for a wolf pack, the weak die or are killed off quickly.
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Well you could argue that that's exactly what addictions are, weakness of the mind or atleast a part of it. Can i ask, do you have history with addiction of any kind? Because i have to disagree with you hard on quitting is easy. Addiction to narcotics or alcohol is almost always because of depression, trauma, or ptsd etc. and the person uses narcotics to numb themselves, and to function. So its not easy to quit, because without it you fall in to darkness. It's actually just the same as saying "just smile and get over it" to a depressed person, because thats usually what an addict is: depressed. (Or something like that).
And yeah the pressures and standards of modern day life create these problems.
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You might enjoy Guns, Germs, and Steel or Diamond's other works which punch about 10 billion holes in these gigantic assumptions you seem to love.
Primitive societies had PLENTY of these issues. Good lord.
I'm only going off the research that has been conducted on the last few remaining hunter gatherers living on the planet.
Down the list they don't appear to be subject to all the problems we living in the modern world experience.
Now they don't live as long as we do, but you'd have to argue if living to 50, but not having to go to work 12hrs a day is a worth while trade. Subtract your 35 years of working and 12+ years of education sitting in a class for 8hrs a day and see how much your life really adds up to.
Lets take a look at communities after a world war has taken place. Where they have nothing, everything is bombed to shit, kids without parents. They join together as a community to work to accomplish something, but as society becomes more comfortable the expectations are increased and a pecking order is established, each is given his rank. Those with lower ranks are forced to do things that can in many cases cause them to feel humiliation and so they drown themselves in drugs and alcohol to escape.
Primitives never got comfortable enough to get themselves into this situation.
I've seen in South America where hunter gatherers were removed from their land and forced to live in what looks like a base where the tribe is brought in and removed from their customs and traditions and many of the women seem to do fine, they watch TV, they are taught Christianity and they sit around and sing songs as they pump out kids, but the men lose their minds, they become depressed, almost catatonic and some choose to run back into the woods to escape the nightmare of modern civilization.
Now was the hunter gatherer mentally ill for become depressed when removed from his land and not coping with his world being turned upside down. Or is it only a natural response to being fucked with in the name of cutting rain forests down to harvest wood and turn it into farm land to grow soybeans.
Which came first the mental illness or the being fucked with?
That you think no one fucks with anyone in a primitive society is utterly hilarious.
Same with your assumption that they don't have pecking orders, castes, humiliation, etc.
It boggles the mind really.
The "noble savage" myth was put to bed rather a while ago.
Best of luck with that operating strategy though. "If it fits your macros" and all that.
