Why do people use proviron?

[Jin23]

Proviron is suppressive to HPTA. So it would make no sense to use it if you are natty. Especially at your age when your testosterone is already very low.

Yes, it suppresses me at 50mg's. The problem is, people use to much. 50mg's ed is way way to much just for shbg on trt or a natty. Try something in the lines of 12.5mg eod. On that note, one could also just use a micro dose of an oral aas like var or an injectable like primo, but I've yet to test that out. But with something like var, even with a mini dose, you should still get the extra benefit of collagen synthesis ... Idk about proviron and it's extra benefits previously mentioned here though.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Yes, it suppresses me at 50mg's. The problem is, people use to much. 50mg's ed is way way to much just for shbg on trt or a natty. Try something in the lines of 12.5mg eod. On that note, one could also just use a micro dose of an oral aas like var or an injectable like primo, but I've yet to test that out. But with something like var, even with a mini dose, you should still get the extra benefit of collagen synthesis ... Idk about proviron and it's extra benefits previously mentioned here though.

I did this before committing to trt .
Var 20-30 mg 3x week on training days all in one go before the workout and around 3 weeks in i was feeling low T
Might make more sense with clomid or hcg concomitantly.

 

[Jin23]

I did this before committing to trt .
Var 20-30 mg 3x week on training days all in one go before the workout and around 3 weeks in i was feeling low T
Might make more sense with clomid or hcg concomitantly.

Yeah, that's a big dose, makes sense you got suppressed. Using a serm should help some indeed. I'd favour enclomiphen over clomid though. That zuclom is really nasty in sides for me.

 

[ICBM TANK]

I get it works good for libido, But why do so many guys run it in their cycles if it’s barely anabolic? Plus it’s expensive as hell

It has replaced my a.i, and now my hair is not getting nuked, also helps tighten and harden the body. As for libido, meh maybe at higher dosages but ive been sticking to around 25 mg per day.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Yeah, that's a big dose, makes sense you got suppressed. Using a serm should help some indeed. I'd favour enclomiphen over clomid though. That zuclom is really nasty in sides for me.

I can take it up to 3-4 months without sides than the vison starts to get affected.
I think you might have been using to much.
Also enclomiphen was not favored in the medical community over clomiphen for a reason it has its own sides if i remember correctly it hase to do with blood clothing but don't quote me on that as its just from what i remember .

 

[Jin23]

I can take it up to 3-4 months without sides than the vison starts to get affected.
I think you might have been using to much.
Also enclomiphen was not favored in the medical community over clomiphen for a reason it has its own sides if i remember correctly it hase to do with blood clothing but don't quote me on that as its just from what i remember .

That's a long time. My problem is floaters. And thus avoid serms as much as possible. I really hate having all this chit floating in my vision.

My only reall experience with clomiphene is in pct. And I felt like a depressed post partum women, wanting to kill my self. Never again. I imagine using a small dose when not suppressed isn't as bad. But still, with enclomiphene, aren't you essentially taking the same dose as with clomid? It's just the zu enantiomer that's missing. So it should be exactly the same, minus the zu sides? You know what I mean ...?

Tnx, I didn't know enclom has potential problems with blood clothing. I'll have to look that up.

 

[Highly ecto]

Yes, it suppresses me at 50mg's. The problem is, people use to much. 50mg's ed is way way to much just for shbg on trt or a natty. Try something in the lines of 12.5mg eod. On that note, one could also just use a micro dose of an oral aas like var or an injectable like primo, but I've yet to test that out. But with something like var, even with a mini dose, you should still get the extra benefit of collagen synthesis ... Idk about proviron and it's extra benefits previously mentioned here though.

At 54 and still natty my Total T is always near top of range, but shbg is always really high around 90 no matter what supps l try or diet changes l make. estrogen also gets high if l don't take 300mgs Dim twice a day. l also am trying to heal a chronic shoulder injury at the moment.
In my situation would 5mg of var a day and 5mg of proviron a day be a reasonable combo to lower shbg and estrogen while helping shoulder?
Also l assume at those low doses there would be minimal effect on lipids or liver and no real suppression of HPTA.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

At 54 and still natty my Total T is always near top of range, but shbg is always really high around 90 no matter what supps l try or diet changes l make. estrogen also gets high if l don't take 300mgs Dim twice a day. l also am trying to heal a chronic shoulder injury at the moment.
In my situation would 5mg of var a day and 5mg of proviron a day be a reasonable combo to lower shbg and estrogen while helping shoulder?
Also l assume at those low doses there would be minimal effect on lipids or liver and no real suppression of HPTA.

Bro just get on TRT. Your 54 years old, What are you waiting for?

 

[GuerillaPete]

That's a long time. My problem is floaters. And thus avoid serms as much as possible. I really hate having all this chit floating in my vision.

My only reall experience with clomiphene is in pct. And I felt like a depressed post partum women, wanting to kill my self. Never again. I imagine using a small dose when not suppressed isn't as bad. But still, with enclomiphene, aren't you essentially taking the same dose as with clomid? It's just the zu enantiomer that's missing. So it should be exactly the same, minus the zu sides? You know what I mean ...?

Tnx, I didn't know enclom has potential problems with blood clothing. I'll have to look that up.

I think the blood cloths are from ralox and not enclo i had to check as i was not sure.
The reason i stay away from enclo is that i dont know why it was discontinued and cant find any info on it.
Maybe you have some knowledge on this?
Another reason is i don't get sides from clomid 25 mg 3x week.
I have heard of floaters but never experienced such.
Some people take 100 mg a day in pct that seems like a lot to me.

 

[Highly ecto]

Bro just get on TRT. Your 54 years old, What are you waiting for?

Yeah l agree, l asked 2 different doc's about TRT where l have had my bloods done and they both laughed at me and said your Total T is better than most 25 year olds. And because my Free T was just in range they were not worried about high SHBG and there was no way they were giving me a script for TRT.

 

[Deleted member 127229]

Yeah l agree, l asked 2 different doc's about TRT where l have had my bloods done and they both laughed at me and said your Total T is better than most 25 year olds. And because my Free T was just in range they were not worried about high SHBG and there was no way they were giving me a script for TRT.

Lucky for you no one on this website requires a prescription. $100 and you have TRT for a year. Just buy some testosterone

 

[Highly ecto]

Lucky for you no one on this website requires a prescription. $100 and you have TRT for a year. Just buy some testosterone

l might have to learn how to home brew, because in AUS customs are a bastard and anything in vials is 50/50 at best. l have already had an order of HGH and an order of peptides seized. So 0 from 2.
l ended up having to pay $60 a vial for BPC-157 an TB-500 local, stuff over here is ridiculous because of how hard it is to get in.

 

[Jin23]

Lucky for you no one on this website requires a prescription. $100 and you have TRT for a year. Just buy some testosterone

I mean, ... if his TT is ok, then going on trt just to bring up free T levels doesn't make much sense.

 

[Jin23]

At 54 and still natty my Total T is always near top of range, but shbg is always really high around 90 no matter what supps l try or diet changes l make. estrogen also gets high if l don't take 300mgs Dim twice a day. l also am trying to heal a chronic shoulder injury at the moment.
In my situation would 5mg of var a day and 5mg of proviron a day be a reasonable combo to lower shbg and estrogen while helping shoulder?
Also l assume at those low doses there would be minimal effect on lipids or liver and no real suppression of HPTA.

I presume 5mg var should be enough for shbg inhibition, but can't say for sure how much. Re injury: add some GH and BPC/TB to that and you've done more or less all you can. PRP is also a thing, but idk if it's useful for deep tissue problems

 

[Jin23]

Maybe you have some knowledge on this?
Another reason is i don't get sides from

I've read about this when the news about discontinuation hit, but I've forgotten. I think it was just bc of "economic's" and not bc of failed trials. @Liska has it in stock and maybe knows a thing about it?

 

[Highly ecto]

I presume 5mg var should be enough for shbg inhibition, but can't say for sure how much. Re injury: add some GH and BPC/TB to that and you've done more or less all you can. PRP is also a thing, but idk if it's useful for deep tissue problems

That's why l thought 5mg var and 5mg proviron because of how high shbg is.
l got some BPC/TB and Mod GRF/ Ipamorelin local and started them a month ago. l was going to use HGH but it got seized.
Already had 2 cortisone shots in shoulder for no improvement and physio didn't think PRP would help because l have rotator cuff damage, cartilage separation, inflamed bursa and frozen shoulder.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I've read about this when the news about discontinuation hit, but I've forgotten. I think it was just bc of "economic's" and not bc of failed trials. @Liska has it in stock and maybe knows a thing about it?

Thats interesting might give it a go once i run out of clomid .

 

[Type-IIx]

l am still natty at 54, for many years l have had high Total T, low Free T because of extremely high SHBG, and also have high Estrogen if l don't use dim. Have tried all natural alternatives with no luck in lowering SHBG. Would Proviron work long term in this case without suppressing natural production of T, or am l better off getting on TRT to free up test at my age?

This use is rational (with monitoring), as there has been no observed free T suppression at therapeutic doses. For the observed dose & duration, there was no suppressive effect on LH & FSH, no effect on free T, but there was a notable decrease in total T (-23%).

 

[Deleted member 127229]

I mean, ... if his TT is ok, then going on trt just to bring up free T levels doesn't make much sense.

Huh??? TRT will absolutely change your free testosterone. Mine was very high before I started blasting and cruising. I don’t think you know what you are talking about

 

[Highly ecto]

Huh??? TRT will absolutely change your free testosterone. Mine was very high before I started blasting and cruising. I don’t think you know what you are talking about

l think what @Jin23 is getting at is a standard TRT dose won't get me any higher Total T than l already have, and something to lower high shbg by quite a bit is the key.
l do think long term though TRT with a tiny bit proviron, var or primo might be the easiest way to free up test and control estrogen. lt's just not as cheap and easy as you think here in Australia.
A 10 week coarse of BPC/TB and MOD GRF/lpamorelin just cost me nearly $2000, a 10ml bottle of test will cost $100 and your just hoping it is legit and not underdosed. And as l said earlier l placed an order of HGH and peptides from 2 different suppliers that are both on this forum that say they have great success with shipping to Aus. Both orders seized!