Covid Lockdowns

[MR_Midas]

The vaccines were never intended to be a total cure for Covid that would end the chances of people ever catching it or spreading the viruses. Their effect was just to help the body fight the virus and lessen the risk of serious illness or death and for the majority of people that wanted the shots they've proven to be benefecial to a degree.

This has been the same situation for most vaccines over the years as none of them offered 100% immunity against specific diseases and viruses. They just helped the body to fight back stronger and defend itself against highly damaging germs and viruses.

Of course there can be potential side effects in some people but that's true for all drugs and medicines and not just Covid vaccines. I found it quite comical and hypocritical that gear users and bodybuilders got so heated and vocal on all the forums about vaccines but at the same taking concotions of UGL steroids, hormones, research peptides, stims, and all shorts of other potentially dangerous and unnecessary drugs

Whether you agree or disagree with the vaccines the one thing that can't be denied or disputed is that it was good for the world that they appeared and were made available globally coz we would still all be living with lockdowns and stay at home orders now if the vaccines weren't created and the world would've grinded to a halt with much more serious financial devastation than we are trying to recover from now in 2022..

It is indisputable that the isolation of people is bad and affects everyone beyond life, from the economy to the psychological. But don't you think that the covid vaccine is still a business, not a cure?

 

[MR_Midas]

They do seem to be less effective than they were against early strains. Fortunately these new strains seem to be less dangerous unless a person is using drugs to supress the immune system or has serious health problems. In that case they are sol.

As far as the pandemic being a scam several hundred thousand would agree but they are now dead.

Yes, a scam is putting it mildly, and with the vaccine, it also seems to me that it’s still a hoax and free testing already on real people without responsibility if something happened to a person.

 

[1tank1]

It is indisputable that the isolation of people is bad and affects everyone beyond life, from the economy to the psychological. But don't you think that the covid vaccine is still a business, not a cure?

There's a financial element to everything bro somewhere along the supply chain. Nothing in life is truly free apart from the air we all breathe.

Of course the vaccines are now a business. Governments have to buy them or fund their development. The manufacturers aren't giving them away for free coz they genuinely care and want to keep people alive.

 

[1tank1]

Yes, a scam is putting it mildly, and with the vaccine, it also seems to me that it’s still a hoax and free testing already on real people without responsibility if something happened to a person.

I dunno how things work in other countries but here in UK the Govt does accept a degree of responsibility for vaccines and serious side effects.

Vaccine Damage Payment

A Vaccine Damage Payment is a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000 if you're severely disabled as a result of vaccination against certain diseases - what you'll get, eligibility and applying.

www.gov.uk

 

[MR_Midas]

I dunno how things work in other countries but here in UK the Govt does accept a degree of responsibility for vaccines and serious side effects.

Vaccine Damage Payment

A Vaccine Damage Payment is a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000 if you're severely disabled as a result of vaccination against certain diseases - what you'll get, eligibility and applying.

www.gov.uk

It seems to me that this is more on paper than in reality. I can be wrong. The problems of vaccinated people will be attributed to statistics. But this is my opinion no more.

 

[MR_Midas]

There's a financial element to everything bro somewhere along the supply chain. Nothing in life is truly free apart from the air we all breathe.

Of course the vaccines are now a business. Governments have to buy them or fund their development. The manufacturers aren't giving them away for free coz they genuinely care and want to keep people alive.

Precisely everything is paid except for air, but it is not a fact that we will not pay for it. Farm business is generally a very dark side.

 

[theotherguy]

Believe what you want. At this point I doubt there is anything that anyone could say to change your mind. I stopped arguing this point months ago.

I'm a sensationalist and you're a fucking moron.

I’m a fucking moron, but I bet you don’t even know what the CDC has written up for covid death reporting procedures on death certificates. I also bet you have no idea what I’m talking to about with regards to the Illinois department of health.

I’d put money on it you have your head in the sand and you listen to what the government tells you to believe.

Your wife is a respiratory therapist, good for you and her. No one gives a shit and it doesn’t mean she knows better than everyone else, I’ve worked in health care and the propaganda there is equally as strong as anywhere else.

Keep living in your government run echo chamber

 

[theotherguy]

I'm just fucking tired. My wife is a respiratory therapist. It's just like every big talking motherfucker until he has a gun to his head and has no hope of a merciful end.

I'm not sure what the "gun" part of your post is referring to, other than I know you have wished death on others on here before like the piece of shit you are...

Anyways, no talk here. I'm about it. I quit my job and rearranged my life to get away from the vaccine mandates at my previous job. I inconvenienced myself over and over during the lock downs and mask up to ensure I never wore a mask anywhere I went.

You on the other hand choose to fall in line with what your government overlords tell you to do so that you can take the easy way out. That's what pussies do.

It's no surprise @1tank1 applauded your comments, his condescension parallels your own and he doesn't know how to defend his position, so he puts everyone that disagrees with him on ignore.

 

[hijoshiki]

Anyways, no talk here. I'm about it. I quit my job and rearranged my life to get away from the vaccine mandates at my previous job. I inconvenienced myself over and over during the lock downs and mask up to ensure I never wore a mask anywhere I went.

You on the other hand choose to fall in line with what your government overlords tell you to do so that you can take the easy way out. That's what pussies do.

It's no surprise @1tank1 applauded your comments, his condescension parallels your own and he doesn't know how to defend his position, so he puts everyone that disagrees with him on ignore.

This is one of the reasons both public and private workers need to have absolute rights with regards to body autonomy. If you don't form an organization such a huge union of people that are dedicated to protecting all people against any form of employment tyranny then you will get more of this in the future. People champion private employers(free market bullshit), but they are completely entangled with the government, there is no such thing as a large scale private employer that doesn't have a policy of best practices designed by the government and enforced through tax code.

I'm not so against masks. When I quit my healthcare career of 25 years and went to remodeling work so I could be free, I probably have two dozen different types of respirators for all sorts of work and I always have one hanging around my neck when I'm working, unlike many people that inhale all sorts of stuff that damages their lungs.

I believe you should want to protect yourself, however no one should have the right to even suggest you get a vaccine in the work place. Vaccines can be done, but it needs to be given at a place that is confidential and no records of these vaccines exist outside of these centers that are trusted with your information, not even the government can get these records, employers can never ask your vaccine status and if they do they should be made to pay the employee $1000 per offense.

Otherwise we're fooling ourselves by thinking this isn't just another form of domination and authoritarianism disguised as benevolence.

 

[MR_Midas]

I’m a fucking moron, but I bet you don’t even know what the CDC has written up for covid death reporting procedures on death certificates. I also bet you have no idea what I’m talking to about with regards to the Illinois department of health.

I’d put money on it you have your head in the sand and you listen to what the government tells you to believe.

Your wife is a respiratory therapist, good for you and her. No one gives a shit and it doesn’t mean she knows better than everyone else, I’ve worked in health care and the propaganda there is equally as strong as anywhere else.

Keep living in your government run echo chamber

And what do you think is actually going on? CONSPIRACY? Business and profit, or experiments on people?

 

[MR_Midas]

This is one of the reasons both public and private workers need to have absolute rights with regards to body autonomy. If you don't form an organization such a huge union of people that are dedicated to protecting all people against any form of employment tyranny then you will get more of this in the future. People champion private employers(free market bullshit), but they are completely entangled with the government, there is no such thing as a large scale private employer that doesn't have a policy of best practices designed by the government and enforced through tax code.

I'm not so against masks. When I quit my healthcare career of 25 years and went to remodeling work so I could be free, I probably have two dozen different types of respirators for all sorts of work and I always have one hanging around my neck when I'm working, unlike many people that inhale all sorts of stuff that damages their lungs.

I believe you should want to protect yourself, however no one should have the right to even suggest you get a vaccine in the work place. Vaccines can be done, but it needs to be given at a place that is confidential and no records of these vaccines exist outside of these centers that are trusted with your information, not even the government can get these records, employers can never ask your vaccine status and if they do they should be made to pay the employee $1000 per offense.

Otherwise we're fooling ourselves by thinking this isn't just another form of domination and authoritarianism disguised as benevolence.

In general, true thoughts, but hardly realizable. You yourself understand how the healthcare system is actually built and how people are vaccinated.

 

[hijoshiki]

In general, true thoughts, but hardly realizable. You yourself understand how the healthcare system is actually built and how people are vaccinated.

That's why you would need a national organization that is very much like a union, but not necessarily the kind that tries to tank a company, one that is there to make sure no company can coerce or intimidate someone into doing something against their will like vaccines.

Where I worked and other places I've worked there is no method to vaccination. They sent out an email stating be vaccinated by this date or that is your last day and because this is common practice in healthcare these days and has been for the past 15 years you have few choices unless you want to leave the profession.

One of the greatest fears of large healthcare organizations that I worked for was unions, they'd make you sign a paper each year stating you won't attempt to unionize. They live in dread of you flipping the power dynamic in your direction, it's fine when the government and employers have all the power, that's acceptable, it's fine if you're on the ground writhing from a vaccine reaction, no problem, but the minute you can say "no" with 100,000 fellow employees that makes them shit their pants.

 

[MR_Midas]

And the idea of trade unions is very sound, I think you are right that through such associations it is possible to restore order and there will be no this world farce and by default everyone will be forced to be vaccinated by different methods.

 

[1tank1]

And the idea of trade unions is very sound, I think you are right that through such associations it is possible to restore order and there will be no this world farce and by default everyone will be forced to be vaccinated by different methods.

I'm picking up on a few mixed messages from you bro so I'm unsure if you are anti/pro/neutral about vaccines or anti/pro/neutral about freedom of choice or if you're somewhere in the middle of all the bullshit "sitting on the fence" trying to please everyone by saying all the right things to opposing groups ?

Mmm...

No offence.

 

[hijoshiki]

And the idea of trade unions is very sound, I think you are right that through such associations it is possible to restore order and there will be no this world farce and by default everyone will be forced to be vaccinated by different methods.

The modern libertarian/conservative scam of returning the final say to states or private business and away from Washington is that you will some how have a better chance at freedom if you allow these entities to decide for you.

I think people need to realize Washington, individual States and Private business all in fact want total control of your life.

This idea that because you can choose to work for whichever company or not work for them or live in a state you agree with or not live in a state you don't agree with is utter bullshit. It's goes back to the saying "love it or leave it" which is nonsense, because the entire world is turning into a damn police state.

The cyber security of the future is absolute, this is how you take a small nation state with cutting edge security developments and outsource it to all the countries of the world. That's what Israel does, the fuckers are turning the entire world into a giant police state and they laugh their asses off at this. You should see what they say when comes to the amount of control it will give governments and private business over your life, the people are so dumb, continue to cheer on their rulers as if this is freedom.

Take the Supreme Court and the fact that you're not allowed to protest outside of judges homes. I say fuck that, if someone is gonna make laws that effect you, you sure as hell have the human right to effect every aspect of their lives as well. It's not a one way street, you sic your dog on me, I shoot your dog, I don't let him clamp down own my ballsac while you laugh because you wrote some bullshit laws you pulled out of your ass stating that I can't retaliate.

 

[theotherguy]

I'm picking up on a few mixed messages from you bro so I'm unsure if you are anti/pro/neutral about vaccines or anti/pro/neutral about freedom of choice or if you're somewhere in the middle of all the bullshit "sitting on the fence" trying to please everyone by saying all the right things to opposing groups ?

Mmm...

No offence.

What if he honestly doesn't give a shit? Maybe he doesn't care to take a side. He's not required to

 

[MR_Midas]

The modern libertarian/conservative scam of returning the final say to states or private business and away from Washington is that you will some how have a better chance at freedom if you allow these entities to decide for you.

I think people need to realize Washington, individual States and Private business all in fact want total control of your life.

This idea that because you can choose to work for whichever company or not work for them or live in a state you agree with or not live in a state you don't agree with is utter bullshit. It's goes back to the saying "love it or leave it" which is nonsense, because the entire world is turning into a damn police state.

The cyber security of the future is absolute, this is how you take a small nation state with cutting edge security developments and outsource it to all the countries of the world. That's what Israel does, the fuckers are turning the entire world into a giant police state and they laugh their asses off at this. You should see what they say when comes to the amount of control it will give governments and private business over your life, the people are so dumb, continue to cheer on their rulers as if this is freedom.

Take the Supreme Court and the fact that you're not allowed to protest outside of judges homes. I say fuck that, if someone is gonna make laws that effect you, you sure as hell have the human right to effect every aspect of their lives as well. It's not a one way street, you sic your dog on me, I shoot your dog, I don't let him clamp down own my ballsac while you laugh because you wrote some bullshit laws you pulled out of your ass stating that I can't retaliate.

I read and understand you are right, everywhere, right. Although my emotions are against control, they demand freedom. But freedom leads to anarchy. But control and structure, where a person is assigned a role in a good sense, where everyone is responsible for their field of activity, then there will be order. Down with anarchy and lawlessness.

 

[MR_Midas]

I'm picking up on a few mixed messages from you bro so I'm unsure if you are anti/pro/neutral about vaccines or anti/pro/neutral about freedom of choice or if you're somewhere in the middle of all the bullshit "sitting on the fence" trying to please everyone by saying all the right things to opposing groups ?

Mmm...

No offence.

I understand, but I'm trying to understand every side. Somewhere there is a common sense, I agree in some places. But these are my hiccups. I'm not offended, honestly. We communicate here and everyone is free to choose how to think. Shake your hand.

 

[MR_Midas]

What if he honestly doesn't give a shit? Maybe he doesn't care to take a side. He's not required to

That's right, I don't want to and won't take sides. I have my own views, and they do not always fit into any particular point of view.

 

[Big_paul]

I'm not sure what the "gun" part of your post is referring to, other than I know you have wished death on others on here before like the piece of shit you are...

Of course not. I was referring to people who would still be alive if they had made better decisions. There was an opportunity to avoid their unfortunate fate.

I wish you no harm.