How to beat rising fuel costs

Tried it. Didn't work. Lost a lot of business already. Not a troll thread.

You seem to think life is so simple and you can just manipulate people to do whatever you want whenever you want coz that's gonna make your personal life better....:rolleyes:

I didn't ask you for your business advice or a business opinion did I ?

I invited responses to dealing with fuel prices and potentially taking extreme measures to combat the exploitation that is now occuring from big global fuel companies.

If you only use a vehicle to drive 1 mile to work and the shops everyday ...this topic isn't going to be something you will ever understand.

We do about 1000 miles everyday in a fleet of vehicles so fuel costs are important to us !!!
Im shocked no one wants to do business with such a blatant retard
 
Im shocked no one wants to do business with such a blatant retard


I don't understand this reply and it doesn't even make any sense. I've got no shortage of business. Just an issue keeping up with fuel prices and profit margins in my industry sector and everyone else in this sector is feeling the financial squeeze too. Several other bigger companies than mine have already gone bust/quit coz they can't handle the fuel prices or make profit anymore.

WTF are you talking about when you say nobody wants to do business with me?

I'm a retard? Why?
 
I don't understand this reply and it doesn't even make any sense. I've got no shortage of business. Just an issue keeping up with fuel prices and profit margins in my industry sector and everyone else in this sector is feeling the financial squeeze too. Several other bigger companies than mine have already gone bust/quit coz they can't handle the fuel prices or make profit anymore.

WTF are you talking about when you say nobody wants to do business with me?

I'm a retard? Why?
I would seriously look into a pricing model where you increase price by X% (figure out what number you'd need and how many new customers you'd need to acquire to make the business work properly again) for new customers but keep it the same for old customer.

OR you could increase it by say...10% for current customers. That might be a nice safe number that, when you explain it to your customer, they are OK with it. When bringing this up, if possible it'd be best to do it face to face. Have your little speech planned out and practiced so you nail it, but it isn't too robotic of course. I would say how over the last few months point out by name the other companies that have gone out of business and say you value the partnership with your customer and you want to be able to continue to serve them for years to come, not to mention you love what you do and your employees mean a lot to you and you are responsible for their livelihoods, so with that we wish we didn't have to, but unfortunately we are being forced to increase prices by 10% (or 5%, or whatever) to cover fuel costs. (I also like using "we" instead of "I" in these situations as it sends the message that it isn't just YOU wanting more money, it is the business needing to stay afloat.)

The way you message it makes all the difference, it can be the difference between the customer hearing greed and having some compassion and understanding that you are not just trying to fuck them, you're just trying to scrape by. If you have time over the next week read the book "Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss. It is ALL about negotiating and communicating. It is a super short, but fucking INCREDIBLE and very entertaining read. The guy was lead hostage negotiator for the FBI so obviously he's got some great stories in there. There's an audiobook copy too. Lastly, having this convo in person, or via zoom with camera--some sort of face to face mechanism--can help as you aren't just a disembodied voice on the phone.

For VIP clients/accounts you MUST keep or people you expect to really be difficult about it, you COULD even write up at a contract if you wanted to, that would state when average national fuel prices drop below $X.XX for X weeks the 10% price increase will cease and prices will go back down to previous levels. This is a legal contract obviously and both parties get a copy. This way they know you REALLY are serious about wanting to serve them and this isn't some stunt for extra profits. IMO I can't imagine anyone not thinking that is reasonable during these times. THAT would give them the comfort to stick with you for the long haul throughout the turbulent fuel markets.
 
I would seriously look into a pricing model where you increase price by X% (figure out what number you'd need and how many new customers you'd need to acquire to make the business work properly again) for new customers but keep it the same for old customer.

OR you could increase it by say...10% for current customers. That might be a nice safe number that, when you explain it to your customer, they are OK with it. When bringing this up, if possible it'd be best to do it face to face. Have your little speech planned out and practiced so you nail it, but it isn't too robotic of course. I would say how over the last few months point out by name the other companies that have gone out of business and say you value the partnership with your customer and you want to be able to continue to serve them for years to come, not to mention you love what you do and your employees mean a lot to you and you are responsible for their livelihoods, so with that we wish we didn't have to, but unfortunately we are being forced to increase prices by 10% (or 5%, or whatever) to cover fuel costs. (I also like using "we" instead of "I" in these situations as it sends the message that it isn't just YOU wanting more money, it is the business needing to stay afloat.)

The way you message it makes all the difference, it can be the difference between the customer hearing greed and having some compassion and understanding that you are not just trying to fuck them, you're just trying to scrape by. If you have time over the next week read the book "Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss. It is ALL about negotiating and communicating. It is a super short, but fucking INCREDIBLE and very entertaining read. The guy was lead hostage negotiator for the FBI so obviously he's got some great stories in there. There's an audiobook copy too. Lastly, having this convo in person, or via zoom with camera--some sort of face to face mechanism--can help as you aren't just a disembodied voice on the phone.

For VIP clients/accounts you MUST keep or people you expect to really be difficult about it, you COULD even write up at a contract if you wanted to, that would state when average national fuel prices drop below $X.XX for X weeks the 10% price increase will cease and prices will go back down to previous levels. This is a legal contract obviously and both parties get a copy. This way they know you REALLY are serious about wanting to serve them and this isn't some stunt for extra profits. IMO I can't imagine anyone not thinking that is reasonable during these times. THAT would give them the comfort to stick with you for the long haul throughout the turbulent fuel markets.


Thanks for this reply bro. It has given me some stuff to think about that might stop me adopting bizarre and criminal measures to deal with the current extortionate fuel prices......but I don't think my client base will accept a price increase or care about my financial struggles.

It's a `cut throat` industry sector and pricing is highly competitive and there's always other services out there that will do the work cheaper. The only way I can keep going at the moment is to accept a huge drop in profits coz of the fuel prices and care more about my team and my customers than myself and my own family.
 
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Thanks for this reply bro. It has given me some stuff to think about that might stop be adopting bizarre and criminal measures to deal with the current extortionate fuel prices......but I don't think my client base will accept a price increase or care about my financial struggles.

It's a `cut throat` industry sector and pricing is highly competitive and there's always other services out there that will do the work cheaper. The only way I can keep going at the moment is to accept a huge drop in profits coz of the fuel prices and care more about my team and my customers than myself and my own family.
Happy To help man. It's amazing the ridiculous replies you've gotten. People are so quick to judge.

I'd recommend, of you haven't already. Calculate a few numbers:
- the price of fuel or the total monthly fuel expenses (assuming most other expenses are not so variable) which your personal income as the business owner becomes equal to or less than your expenses (potentially look for ways to cut personal expenses if you haven't already)
- if you have a rainy day fund, stocks, or savings, how long you can subsist on those (chances are your codt of living has changed since you last checked this, many people think they have a 6 month rainy say fund but really it's only 4).
- the price of fuel or total monthly expenses at which your business is no longer profitable and you risk going out of business without a cash infusion (and likely partial loss of ownership) or extreme luck.

Keep your eye on those numbers and have a plan for what you are going to do if ever each of those thresholds is crosses that way you have it planned out and don't have to scramble if it every does happen.

In a nutshell, if you're just taking a pay cut but you can still live, I say ride it out things will get better in the future. Or if the wife doesn't work then perhaps she could look at getting a job.

If you're really at risk of personal loss or losing the business, then one last ditch effort could be to try to cut each employees pay (including your own) by X%.

I remember during the crisis of 07 my grandpa took a 40% pay cut as an executive at his business while the company cut each workers pay by 10%. The business made it through and everyone got raises afterwards. Nobody lost their job. Maybe people had to cut back on a few luxuries or something, but the respect they gained from their employees was worth every penny of pay loss for those 2 years afterwards. Showing such dedication to their employees meant the world to everyone at that time.

You could do the same thing I mentioned above, a contract with your employees that says X% pay cut until monthly expenses go below $X for 2 months or whatever then it will creep back up. Let them all know that this is the only way the business wont go under and you won't lose your house. Hopefully they will understand and be reasonable. I know if I was an employee I would rather take a small pay cut than risk my freedom stealing gas.

Hell, even just telling maybe your most reasonable customers you need to increase prices by a measly 2% would at least help out here. The cost of them to try to find and go through legal contracts with a new company would likely outweigh the cost increase of staying with you. Just one last thought that came to mind.

Hopefully this was a little helpful!

Feel free to PM if you want since people are so judgy.. I'm happy to help I have plenty of experience with business finances (though I am not an accountant or anything, as you probably have seen I work in IT).
 
Happy To help man. It's amazing the ridiculous replies you've gotten. People are so quick to judge.

I'd recommend, of you haven't already. Calculate a few numbers:
- the price of fuel or the total monthly fuel expenses (assuming most other expenses are not so variable) which your personal income as the business owner becomes equal to or less than your expenses (potentially look for ways to cut personal expenses if you haven't already)
- if you have a rainy day fund, stocks, or savings, how long you can subsist on those (chances are your codt of living has changed since you last checked this, many people think they have a 6 month rainy say fund but really it's only 4).
- the price of fuel or total monthly expenses at which your business is no longer profitable and you risk going out of business without a cash infusion (and likely partial loss of ownership) or extreme luck.

Keep your eye on those numbers and have a plan for what you are going to do if ever each of those thresholds is crosses that way you have it planned out and don't have to scramble if it every does happen.

In a nutshell, if you're just taking a pay cut but you can still live, I say ride it out things will get better in the future. Or if the wife doesn't work then perhaps she could look at getting a job.

If you're really at risk of personal loss or losing the business, then one last ditch effort could be to try to cut each employees pay (including your own) by X%.

I remember during the crisis of 07 my grandpa took a 40% pay cut as an executive at his business while the company cut each workers pay by 10%. The business made it through and everyone got raises afterwards. Nobody lost their job. Maybe people had to cut back on a few luxuries or something, but the respect they gained from their employees was worth every penny of pay loss for those 2 years afterwards. Showing such dedication to their employees meant the world to everyone at that time.

You could do the same thing I mentioned above, a contract with your employees that says X% pay cut until monthly expenses go below $X for 2 months or whatever then it will creep back up. Let them all know that this is the only way the business wont go under and you won't lose your house. Hopefully they will understand and be reasonable. I know if I was an employee I would rather take a small pay cut than risk my freedom stealing gas.

Hell, even just telling maybe your most reasonable customers you need to increase prices by a measly 2% would at least help out here. The cost of them to try to find and go through legal contracts with a new company would likely outweigh the cost increase of staying with you. Just one last thought that came to mind.

Hopefully this was a little helpful!

Feel free to PM if you want since people are so judgy.. I'm happy to help I have plenty of experience with business finances (though I am not an accountant or anything, as you probably have seen I work in IT).


There's some very strange members on Meso for sure but their bullshit replies just reveal to others how pathetic and ridiculous they are. I think there's 2 new usernames that need to be added to my blocklist though based on some totally bizarre comments in this thread :rolleyes:

There really isn't much more I can do to reduce overheads and expenses coz I've been running the business on a tight budget ever since the 1st lockdown and the drop in trade over the pandemic period....and I haven't been living a luxurious lifestyle either....so these fuel prices have really backed me into a corner with very limited options for escape.

I haven't actually paid myself a set salary from this business for about 3-4 years now so I can't cut my takings from the business without a knock-on effect to my day to day essential living expenses/bills etc but I'm gonna take a proper look at the financials this week and then sit down with my team and have an honest meeting and give them the chance to voice their opinions.

I obviously don't wanna go to the extremes of using fake plates and commiting crime but the fuel suppliers are totally out of control at the moment and fucking me up the ass with their prices.......so it's "them" that I'm angry with the most coz it's "them" that are destroying my business.
 
I recently moved to a town here in Oregon that you can ride a bike everywhere you need to go . so I picked up a e-bike 2 years ago. ATV"s are legal on roadways too so I give my "gas guzzlers" a lil break , not all the time but it helps . I hate to see electric cars takeover the Earth but I sure enjoy no gas just plug-in at night.....~Ogh

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I recently moved to a town here in Oregon that you can ride a bike everywhere you need to go . so I picked up a e-bike 2 years ago. ATV"s are legal on roadways too so I give my "gas guzzlers" a lil break , not all the time but it helps . I hate to see electric cars takeover the Earth but I sure enjoy no gas just plug-in at night.....~Ogh

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Ebikes are good for local commuters who are too lazy to actually pedal/cycle on a bicycle and they haven't got a proper motorcycle licence........but they're fucking useless for someone like me that works in haulage/transport of goods over long distances :)
 
There's some very strange members on Meso for sure but their bullshit replies just reveal to others how pathetic and ridiculous they are. I think there's 2 new usernames that need to be added to my blocklist though based on some totally bizarre comments in this thread :rolleyes:

There really isn't much more I can do to reduce overheads and expenses coz I've been running the business on a tight budget ever since the 1st lockdown and the drop in trade over the pandemic period....and I haven't been living a luxurious lifestyle either....so these fuel prices have really backed me into a corner with very limited options for escape.
Yeah I was just saying there is almost always SOME way to cut cost of living to some degree. Not always, but if necessary it may be worth taking a hard look at.
I haven't actually paid myself a set salary from this business for about 3-4 years now so I can't cut my takings from the business without a knock-on effect to my day to day essential living expenses/bills etc but I'm gonna take a proper look at the financials this week and then sit down with my team and have an honest meeting and give them the chance to voice their opinions.
I think that is a fucking great idea and you'll gain respect and loyalty for doing this. Let them voice their opinions, throw a few ideas up on the projector or whiteboard or write them in a notebook. Make it a team effort.
i obviously don't wanna go to the extremes of using fake plates and commiting crime but the fuel suppliers are totally out of control at the moment and fucking me up the ass with their prices.......so it's "them" that I'm angry with the most coz it's "them" that are destroying my business.
Yeah I get it man. Fuck all of them. I cannot stand these giant corporations and their stupid mega millionaire execs and shit. Fuck all of them. I just very much hope that one of these either options is feasible and can work for you. My concern is that the whole business could blow up if someone was caught and said you told them to do that as their boss...it could spark an investigation and you could wind up in a much worse position than you otherwise would have been in. It would only take 1 guy to say something to try to protect himself :(

Aren't there often other identifiers on trucks? Like on the trailer I know sometimes there is a number, or sometimes a logo, etc. There may be other "tells" besides just plates. But you'd be more familiar than I am of course. Just need to properly analyze the risks.
 
Ebikes are good for local commuters who are too lazy to actually pedal/cycle on a bicycle and they haven't got a proper motorcycle licence........but they're fucking useless for someone like me that works in haulage/transport of goods over long distances :)
What country are you in? In the states you can't pump without paying, at least you can't were I live. Is
Yeah I was just saying there is almost always SOME way to cut cost of living to some degree. Not always, but if necessary it may be worth taking a hard look at.

I think that is a fucking great idea and you'll gain respect and loyalty for doing this. Let them voice their opinions, throw a few ideas up on the projector or whiteboard or write them in a notebook. Make it a team effort.

Yeah I get it man. Fuck all of them. I cannot stand these giant corporations and their stupid mega millionaire execs and shit. Fuck all of them. I just very much hope that one of these either options is feasible and can work for you. My concern is that the whole business could blow up if someone was caught and said you told them to do that as their boss...it could spark an investigation and you could wind up in a much worse position than you otherwise would have been in. It would only take 1 guy to say something to try to protect himself :(

Aren't there often other identifiers on trucks? Like on the trailer I know sometimes there is a number, or sometimes a logo, etc. There may be other "tells" besides just plates. But you'd be more familiar than I am of course. Just need to properly analyze the risks.
I'm curious were they let you fill up without paying first. They stopped that in California in the 90's
 
The Green energy movement is bamboozle where you shift responsibility away from energy producers to the individual forcing you to payout large upfront. It's a fantastic scam to liquidate the wealth of this nation.

If you sit down and figure out what green energy costs, the real costs it saves you absolutely nothing. I recently spent $30K on solar panels for my home, but the truth is without the $60K in batteries you don't have much.

These very expensive products have a service life, they do wear out and have to be replaced, forcing you to dig deep into your pocket over and over.

Electric vehicles will produce tremendous pollution, it's just that it's not coming out of a tailpipe, the pollution is hidden in the form of 3rd world toxic waste dumps.

The reality is we have a upper crust of say 5% of the population that are far removed from the problems of most Americans. They are over educated with liberal arts and humanities graduate degrees. They are highly conformist and adhere to their philosophy of crushing the bottom half of this country. They are elitist, smug, arrogant. They have a caste system they have put in place. They don't ask you what you want, they tell you what you will get and it will be nothing, they will take your money and pack it up to send it to people across the world as they skim off the top for themselves.

No one asked if you if wanted to be poor. However because these elites are educated and pompous, they know more than you and for that reason they are in charge.

That's why you always need to question hierarchies, both the elites on the right and left believe they have the right to rule you based on merit, a merit system put in place to make sure the least people possible get past the system. Only when you stop believing in institutions, stop respecting mans titles and accomplishments and look at the cold hard facts will people be able to rise up and eject these parasites from their perches. You gotta stop believing you deserve your lot in life, rise up like they did during the French Revolution, walk those smug assholes to the plank.
 
What country are you in?

I'm UK bro.
Here you can just fill up and go without paying if you want to but you're on CCTV. The staff don't give a fuck and won't come chasing after you on their minimum wage pay.
 

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Ebikes are good for local commuters who are too lazy to actually pedal/cycle on a bicycle and they haven't got a proper motorcycle licence........but they're fucking useless for someone like me that works in haulage/transport of goods over long distances :)

E-bikes are just a another tool to save money ; no ones talking about the long haul , yet . Electric power and Lithium batteries will soon dominate the transportation world .....they are already getting those E-18-wheelers assembled and we will be seeing Tesla Peterbuilts and Kenworths soon. Its all part of our human/machine evolution .

As someone who was raised on a dragstrip its hard watching our classics and gas powered vehicles getting phased out. They"ll be coming for my Camaro SS soon....:eek:
 
E-bikes are just a another tool to save money ; no ones talking about the long haul , yet . Electric power and Lithium batteries will soon dominate the transportation world .....they are already getting those E-18-wheelers assembled and we will be seeing Tesla Peterbuilts and Kenworths soon. Its all part of our human/machine evolution .

As someone who was raised on a dragstrip its hard watching our classics and gas powered vehicles getting phased out. They"ll be coming for my Camaro SS soon....:eek:
It's still a scam. If you look at the hard data from the amount of pollution, toxic waste require to produce electric and transform our economy it doesn't add up.

The waste it will produce is mind boggling, it won't pay off for many many years. This is nothing more than a money grab, a way to rob people of their time and money, forcing them into a position where they will never be able to rest as technology is constantly updated forcing consumers to constantly work and work and work to keep up. Those sorry suckers that thought they were gonna get to retire just got fucked with inflation and the demand that there perfectly fine gas vehicle is no longer good enough, they'll have to figure out how to come up with $65K to buy an electric that will require them to drive it at least 100K miles before it displaces the pollution it took to build that vehicle.

I have a vehicle that is 23 years old that only has 75K miles on it. According to scientists the greenist thing I can do is drive that old gas vehicle that is very well maintained by me and kept in a garage until it disintegrates. Sending my vehicle to a junkyard and buying an electric will create hundreds of time more pollution.

It's madness is what it is. If you want to green this planet, tell people to stop having babies, let the population die out, that will do more for future generations than anything else. We're over populated, that's the real problem. When I was born there was half the population there is now in the United States. If you were lucky enough to be born in the USA back in the year 1800 there was about 5 million people, wide open land and resources, plenty of trees to build a home, now a 2x4 will set you back $8. More people, more competition, it's that simple.
 
What country are you in? In the states you can't pump without paying, at least you can't were I live. Is

I'm curious were they let you fill up without paying first. They stopped that in California in the 90's
In the UK we pump first then go in and pay, the cloned plates idea works, did it many times in my carefree younger years. You just need to change the plates and petrol station everytime you fill up, it would not be sustainable for a business tho.
 
It's still a scam. If you look at the hard data from the amount of pollution, toxic waste require to produce electric and transform our economy it doesn't add up.

The waste it will produce is mind boggling, it won't pay off for many many years. This is nothing more than a money grab, a way to rob people of their time and money, forcing them into a position where they will never be able to rest as technology is constantly updated forcing consumers to constantly work and work and work to keep up. Those sorry suckers that thought they were gonna get to retire just got fucked with inflation and the demand that there perfectly fine gas vehicle is no longer good enough, they'll have to figure out how to come up with $65K to buy an electric that will require them to drive it at least 100K miles before it displaces the pollution it took to build that vehicle.

I have a vehicle that is 23 years old that only has 75K miles on it. According to scientists the greenist thing I can do is drive that old gas vehicle that is very well maintained by me and kept in a garage until it disintegrates. Sending my vehicle to a junkyard and buying an electric will create hundreds of time more pollution.

It's madness is what it is. If you want to green this planet, tell people to stop having babies, let the population die out, that will do more for future generations than anything else. We're over populated, that's the real problem. When I was born there was half the population there is now in the United States. If you were lucky enough to be born in the USA back in the year 1800 there was about 5 million people, wide open land and resources, plenty of trees to build a home, now a 2x4 will set you back $8. More people, more competition, it's that simple.

I still drive a 1988 Toyota pick-up so I agree thats the greenest thing you can do , drive the old ones .

I didnt buy an e-bike to be green and save the planet , I bought it cause its fun and it hauls ass ! After rebooting it on the computer the bike goes from 24mph to 29mph and you treat it like a small dirt-bike .Now all it needs is some rappity-rap noise . ~Ogh
 
I bought it cause its fun and it hauls ass ! After rebooting it on the computer the bike goes from 24mph to 29mph and you treat it like a small dirt-bike .Now all it needs is some rappity-rap noise . ~Ogh


We've got different ideas about fun on 2 wheels and the sound from exhaust pipes and what "hauling ass" is bro.

Get a litre Vtwin (aprilia rsv is a good choice) and put some akrapovic pipes with no baffles on each side.....then come back and tell me what hauling ass and making noise is all about after you've done 0-160 in less than 10 seconds ROFL
 
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