Have a small lump under my nipple that popped up a couple of weeks ago and have been running adex at .25mg eod (recently bumped it up to .5mg eod). I think it is still growing slowly but surely. I plan on starting PCT in 2 weeks from Friday. I was wondering if it would be the correct protocol to go ahead and start the nolva or if I should wait until my scheduled date to start it. Should I stay on the AI or come off once I start the SERM? Any other info would also be appreciated, thanks.
MESO-Rx
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How to stop gyno from growing?
- Thread starter gymcelz
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What kind of cycle are you running?
I just finished my intro cycle of 500mg test c
Use nolva at 10-20mg per day to block it
Harley00
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-Clomid
-Novaldex
Or rolaxfine, personally rolaxfine i found to be the best, there was one time though i had to run Novaldex and rolaxfine for about 2 weeks, had a nasty lump 2 years ago, was really red and puffed out on the side of my nip... scared shitless.
I split the nova and rolaxfine up day and night and full recovery in 2 weeks.
-Novaldex
Or rolaxfine, personally rolaxfine i found to be the best, there was one time though i had to run Novaldex and rolaxfine for about 2 weeks, had a nasty lump 2 years ago, was really red and puffed out on the side of my nip... scared shitless.
I split the nova and rolaxfine up day and night and full recovery in 2 weeks.
So I'm assuming the advice is to start the nolva before PCT officially starts? Should I continue the adex? I've only had the lump for a couple of weeks so I'm hoping it'll shrink down a good bit.
Start nolva today.
Yes, nolva to block the receptor and starve it, adex to control estrogen and keep it at the level it should be
Harley00
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You can run Novaldex throughout your entire cycle for added protection and not harm anything. Its cheap insurance and personally id run Novaldex untill lump is gone completely. Then if it runs into your pct then continue it .
As far as adex goes , use it for e2 sides, its likely that if you've been using it .5 eod then e2 isnt the issue anymore, the lump is in the breast tissue, so treat that. Low e2 isnt fun so take your ai as needed.
Truthfully gyno isnt always high e2, first thing people run to is an ai. Theres other factors, one big one is your thyroid, alot of men go hypo during bigger cycles and then get gyno from being hypo. And even sometimes hyper. They can get gyno So then they treat there gyno with an ai and crash there e2, when in fact it wasnt high e2 that caused it.
If its verified high e2 then treat it. But dont over do it.
This is my opinion.
I appreciate the opinions, will update in a week. I plan on starting the nolva at 20mg/day and dropping the AI to .25mg E3.5D while on the SERM and will cease taking the adex in 1-2 weeks as I'm 2 weeks off cycle now.
Any thoughts on this? It's my first time having to deal with it and I've read things about starting out with 40mg nolva and dropping it after a period of time.
Once again, thanks guys.
On 500mg test I'd run 1/2mg 2x per week or maybe 3x for the adex.
I'll keep that in mind for the future, but as of now I am 2 weeks off cycle. Blood serum should be starting to decline below supraphysiologic (soon if not already) if I'm not mistaken.
Harley00
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I fully bounced back afyer 2 years doing this protocol.
-Start Hcg 1 week before your last pin, for me i only went 250mcg 3 times a week
Then run that till your last week before your ester clears then bump up to 500mcg 3 times that week, some do higher dosages but i didnt have to i kept it a bit low and it worked just fine with less e2 sides.
- at the end of that week stop the hcg completely. Its important to stop the hcg so the clomid and Novaldex will fire up your lh
-switch to clomid 2 tabs a day, 1 morn 1 night for 2 weeks
- novaldex at 2 tabs a day 1 morn 1 night for 2 weeks
- then 3rd week drop the clomid to 1 tab
-then 3rd week drop novaldex to 1 tab
- 4th week drop the clomid
-4th week run novaldex at 1 tab
-5th week Novaldex only 1 tab.
So a 5 week pct.
Hey overkill... maybe but i was on 2 years and i wanted to bounce back good, i did bloods 2 months after being off my pct and came back at 19 for my total test , i was happy at that being 40 years old.
Hope this helps, it worked for me.
-Start Hcg 1 week before your last pin, for me i only went 250mcg 3 times a week
Then run that till your last week before your ester clears then bump up to 500mcg 3 times that week, some do higher dosages but i didnt have to i kept it a bit low and it worked just fine with less e2 sides.
- at the end of that week stop the hcg completely. Its important to stop the hcg so the clomid and Novaldex will fire up your lh
-switch to clomid 2 tabs a day, 1 morn 1 night for 2 weeks
- novaldex at 2 tabs a day 1 morn 1 night for 2 weeks
- then 3rd week drop the clomid to 1 tab
-then 3rd week drop novaldex to 1 tab
- 4th week drop the clomid
-4th week run novaldex at 1 tab
-5th week Novaldex only 1 tab.
So a 5 week pct.
Hey overkill... maybe but i was on 2 years and i wanted to bounce back good, i did bloods 2 months after being off my pct and came back at 19 for my total test , i was happy at that being 40 years old.
Hope this helps, it worked for me.
Update:
I ran tamoxifen for 40mg split into two 20mg doses a day for 3 weeks then dropped it to 20mg split into two 10mg doses for 2 weeks.
Gyno is almost non-existent at this point. It's still there but the gland is so small it is barely palpable.
For anyone reading this with similar problems in the future, just start the SERM. Luckily, I responded well to the tamoxifen, but some may respond better to raloxifen (which I have never tried but have read it works better for gyno related issues).
I ran tamoxifen for 40mg split into two 20mg doses a day for 3 weeks then dropped it to 20mg split into two 10mg doses for 2 weeks.
Gyno is almost non-existent at this point. It's still there but the gland is so small it is barely palpable.
For anyone reading this with similar problems in the future, just start the SERM. Luckily, I responded well to the tamoxifen, but some may respond better to raloxifen (which I have never tried but have read it works better for gyno related issues).
Given that I started the tamox a week or two before my PCT officially started is the reason behind the 5-week treatment. I tapered off of the adex during the first 2 weeks I was on the SERMs. I feel this gave me a more stable 'landing' coming off of the AI.
All I ran for the gyno management and PCT was tamoxifen and the little bit of adex mentioned. I feel fully recovered and back to normal.
All I ran for the gyno management and PCT was tamoxifen and the little bit of adex mentioned. I feel fully recovered and back to normal.
Many guys run 10mg/day of Nolvadex on blast to keep estrogen from the nips. I like it because I don’t have to worry about it affecting my E2 levels but still keep the gyno away.
lukiss96
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That's why we always say take tamoxifen if you're gyno prone!
Some people don't even need ai, it's just just gyno for them and nolva is much better in this case.
Some people don't even need ai, it's just just gyno for them and nolva is much better in this case.
That was a big takeaway from this experience for me. Always a good idea to have a SERM on hand when running wet compounds.
I agree. This was my first cycle and to be honest I think the gland has been there for a few years (had a very minor case of pubertal gyno) but was so small it was unnoticeable until the extra hormones caused it to flare up.
Must be because you shut it down quick it went away. Often once it gets to a certain size the best you can do is take the sensativity away. Know guys who have a faty lump from decades ago. Only surgery will remove it now. One friend will never go shirtless in public. Nolva/tamoxophin was seriously hard to get 30 years ago. You are fortunate harley.
Do some seated preacher curls if you think they are sensative. 2 curls in you will know for certain.
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