Rido
Subscriber
Because they were made first? Even on a medical treatment level they were replaced by long esters.
With that logic stick to the base of all the substances.
I don't get what you are trying to get at.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Opininons about testosterone undecanoate
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With that logic stick to the base of all the substances.
I don't get what you are trying to get at.
Pantera
Member
I personally don't like it because if for any reason I had to get off test, it would take too long to clear my system.
lukiss96
Member
I think for cruise or trt (up to 1ml/week) it's probably the best testo ester for this purpose.
Downsides are really only to load (almost a must to frontload) cuz waiting ~100 days for it to stabilize is just too long and as @Pantera mentioned, in case you need to come off, well, 100 days is a lot to think about.
Positives are one injection every 7 or 10 days is as stable as enanthate every other day or every 3 days with the latter. Less spikes of T followed by E, so easier to control estrogen side effects for some individuals. Also for those with low shbg only once a week is fine, where as with medium chain esters thrice a week is more optimal. Pip free, unlike most of the TE right now.
Downsides are really only to load (almost a must to frontload) cuz waiting ~100 days for it to stabilize is just too long and as @Pantera mentioned, in case you need to come off, well, 100 days is a lot to think about.
Positives are one injection every 7 or 10 days is as stable as enanthate every other day or every 3 days with the latter. Less spikes of T followed by E, so easier to control estrogen side effects for some individuals. Also for those with low shbg only once a week is fine, where as with medium chain esters thrice a week is more optimal. Pip free, unlike most of the TE right now.
hudson98
Banned
im saying I don't like long esters. I prefer short esters in and out. I run them, I don't ever get a limp dick, etc. they are predictable, you inject the same time ED or EOD, no front loading, you adjust your dose, you see the changes you want quickly. no estrogen build up, you don't feel good or like your cycle, your doing a different one the next day. so much easier. the only downside is guy complain they have to pin but it takes less than a minute.
Rido
Subscriber
Thats fine that you don't. Majority of the community does.
You asked a question and I was answering of why short esters exist .
Personally, I don't want to worry about pinning if I am traveling either
lovedajuice
New Member
I'm on TRT so that is my point of view, if someone needs to stay on test year-round short esters don't make sense, of course if someone else is doing cycles and PCT short esters might have their advantages as mentioned, in all the other cases long esters are a no brainer.
Rido
Subscriber
assuming that you are getting it from a tested source and its on point?
150 test U a week.
the week after you stop utilizing test C/E. load up (2x of test U target dose) x 2 weeks and then utlize it weekly.
hudson98
Banned
I was running test prop and mast, wanted some pop, so dropped the mast, threw in drol, dropped the test a bit. didn't like it, so threw in tren upped the test a bit. doing this with a long ester would have been waiting weeks to see a difference. quick in and out you can make quick changes
lukiss96
Member
Besides injecting every day or every other day with standard syringes (harpoons) is maybe macho to some... but from the practical standpoint nobody thinks about, how much steroids do you waste in that called syringe "dead space" ? Sounds more dumb than macho to me.
lukiss96
Member
Just some calculations:
ED injections with standard 2ml syringe (syringe dead space is usually between 0.1ml-0.2ml, so the average is 0.15ml) it's the amount that is wasted!
- 0.15x7 = ~1ml (you lose 1ml from your vial after injecting every day for just a week!)
- 1x4 = 4ml (4ml lost just after one month!)
- You lose one vial in 10 weeks!!
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not the person who likes to waste money, resources and time. Especially in these economically tough times. You never know.
ED injections with standard 2ml syringe (syringe dead space is usually between 0.1ml-0.2ml, so the average is 0.15ml) it's the amount that is wasted!
- 0.15x7 = ~1ml (you lose 1ml from your vial after injecting every day for just a week!)
- 1x4 = 4ml (4ml lost just after one month!)
- You lose one vial in 10 weeks!!
I don't know about you guys, but I'm not the person who likes to waste money, resources and time. Especially in these economically tough times. You never know.
You just don't know how to cycle and complicate shit up like a noob that started yesterday.
Short ester have their place maybe in competitions etc. But for the average user you don't need them unless if you are a newbie and need to test tren and are too worried to not be able to ride out the tren E in case it goes south a bit.
Except from those two specific cases.... I see no point in injecting with short ester and being a pin cushion, maybe if you are a drug addict and trying to not pin your veins everyday substituting it with pinning steroids ED
For those of us who brew our own test, are there any issues with the raws we should consider as well?
Cost, purity, pip,etc?
Last time I had to switch to Cyp solely bc I didn’t want to risk making two years worth of E just to end up with a batch that had that mystery pip.
Cost, purity, pip,etc?
Last time I had to switch to Cyp solely bc I didn’t want to risk making two years worth of E just to end up with a batch that had that mystery pip.
hudson98
Banned
gear is dirt cheap, none of these excuses to not pin are valid. no one pinning frequent is saying they are macho they are saying guys using less than ideal methods because they are scared of pinning are pussies.
hudson98
Banned
another excuse "I don't want to pin so im looking for the longest ester possible" so anyone who disagrees,,,oh, ill call them a junkie.
your defiantly right. oh man, when I stick than pin in I can't help but start jacking off, the euphoria of shooting test prop!! I can't help but PIN PIN PIN.
clown
Rido
Subscriber
Who said using long esters are less than ideal?
You are using a dated ester for TRT. Whenever you keep talking about Test U, you keep saying pharma is behind it or someone has some type of financial gain.
I am not scared to pin, but I would rather prevent chances of scar tissue building up overtime.
There is more Data to say its essentially the same. for some reason you think that frequent pinning is much more ideal than pinning less.
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lukiss96
Member
Roughly 5 vials wasted in a year, you just throw away 200 euros then. Idk about you, but I'm not a millionaire, I'd rather save on little things like this. I apply this to everything in life, because when you start counting you can easily throw away thousands in a year. I would rather change car oil more frequently, buy something that I need rather than throw away money like that. Hell donating it to help people is better than throwing away. If you were living not in the US you would understand money value better, it's not that we are broke, but we as a nation are damn sure more practical on most things, including money. You never know when your income might come to all time low and with mentality and habits like this, it's gonna be hard to adapt to spending less and having less money in general. Look at the situation in the whole world right now, it's not good and don't think you're invincible, everyone will at some point experience crisis.
lukiss96
Member
If anything testosterone undecanoate once a week is even more stable than test prop every day, at least no less stable look!
Dosages were comparable minus the ester.
Test prop:
Testo undec:
Dosages were comparable minus the ester.
Test prop:
Testo undec:
hudson98
Banned
your last sentence answers your first question, short esters more frequently IMO are bette than these super long esters you can't control, my opinion. some studies done by Parma companies don't matter to me. of course their studies will say their new product is ideal.
whatever happened to sust??
scar tissue is not an issue when rotating sites, not going to post studies but look it up for yourself if you don't believe me. at 450mg prop my levels were over 4400, doesn't look like scar tissue is making it so I don't absorb anything.
hudson98
Banned
I don't trust these graphs, or understand how to interpret them. looking at a quick glance, it looks like the prop is more stable? and im not even looking for stable, is natural test always stable 100%? will blood draw Tuesday at 7 am be the same as on Friday night at 2pm?
